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well why not posted:This moment broke me a little. The knife maker knew how a space station built hundreds of years in the future would crumble and stand - and the exact time and location that Rey would see it from. ...Here's the kicker: that knife isn't old or ancient; the Shadow of the Sith novel describes the knife as 'freshly machined', with Ochi (of Bestoon!) receiving it 21ABY And it apparently has a thirst for blood and makes its wielder experience a pleasurable white noise when it drains people of their blood into itself
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Sep 28, 2025 02:32
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TLJ is so good. It’s very smart and visually dazzling. I disregard Star Wars 9 the way I disregard Rocky 5. It’s a mistake that is not even worth commenting on.
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Sep 28, 2025 02:51
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TLJ with a proper prequel and sequel movie would've been part of a great trilogy Only change I'd make would be having Han survive the first movie and give him and Leia the idea for pulling off the hyperspace ram, maybe toss in one last "I love you"/"I know" exchange after they pull the lever and the sound cuts out And this is why I'm not a filmwriter, you see
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Sep 28, 2025 02:58
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Vinylshadow posted:...Here's the kicker: that knife isn't old or ancient; the Shadow of the Sith novel describes the knife as 'freshly machined', with Ochi (of Bestoon!) receiving it 21ABY poo poo
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Sep 28, 2025 03:38
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MrMojok posted:they kind of half-assed ripped off Strormbringer "Farewell, friend! I was vaguely more unpleasant than thou!"
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Sep 28, 2025 03:41
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8 really is good and I think will get rehabilitated into being considered a masterpiece like attack of the clones in non-USA spaces eventually . Who knows
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Sep 28, 2025 03:44
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TLJ won't be well regarded as long as liberalism continues to falter (as it must) in the face of declining material conditions.
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Sep 28, 2025 04:05
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I would have loved TFA to have a rotating series of protagonists. Pass the McMuffin from star to star. Have some of them die permanently, have some surprise returns, whatever.
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Sep 28, 2025 04:24
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That kind of thing rarely works out because audiences tend to latch on to a particular protagonist and tune out when they're not around.
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Sep 28, 2025 04:27
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The one original sin of the Sequels, if there is one, was JJ's harebrained idea that each of the movies should focus on one of the Original Trilogy's actors. Who gives a poo poo. They should have been in the first one, maybe, and all dead by the end of it. I think we should bring back Dirk Richter. Kids will want to see the original Radioactive Man. I keep telling you: he's 73 years old, and he's dead.
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Sep 28, 2025 06:27
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Horizon Burning posted:three words, four syllables. what's not to get IIRC originally the Resistance had some kind of bigass special carrier ship that didn't give af about planetary shields and it was going to partially go through and open up sending the fighters in. So yes originally Phasma was going to exist EVEN LESS lmao as Han and folks busting in to take the shield down via compelling her was a late addition
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Sep 28, 2025 06:34
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Guy A. Person posted:Stronger is relative, I doubt it would save the film or make the trilogy much better No, but the reveal that Poe lived relieves some of the anxiety with John Boyega's character to no real benefit. Finn feels a moment of vain hope every time an x-wing fighter does something cool, but at the end it's revealed that actually — he was completely right and the guy he became friends with was just fine after all! Hurray! That he didn't stay dead feels very in line with some other small ways the film undercuts itself.
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Sep 28, 2025 06:46
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See I kinda like Poe Dameron because he's not a Han Solo type, he's more of a Buck Rogers kinda guy- a loyal hero soldier for the Resistance, the sort of square-jawed stand-up guy who you'd expect to be the hero in this sort of thing, but he's not the protagonist, it's these other guys instead. To that extent it may have made more sense to keep him dead but I totally understood why they wanted to keep him around. It's why the "used to be a drug smuggler" bit in TROS is weird, it's trying to turn him into a Han-type retroactively but like, he doesn't need that. It doesn't add to anything. When we talk about how "they shoulda had a plan" it's usually about the bigger strokes of the plot but it would have made sense to really dig down and figure out what you wanted your main character dynamics to be. There's a weird sense throughout that because we're dealing with the ends of Han, Luke, and Leia, that the torch never really gets passed to the new young generation who these movies ought to be about.
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Sep 28, 2025 06:54
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Put that way Poe Dameron strikes me as a Duncan Idaho kinda figure, the kinda guy who looks like he'd be the hero of the story but dies around the midpoint to demonstrate how poo poo has gotten real. Of course, they had no actual plan or confidence in their ideas so they probably immediately forgot about it. That's one of the most weak and frustrating things about the sequels, too, they very obviously have no real confidence or commitment to... anything, even moreso than modern Hollywood slop they're constantly undermining their own tension and hinting at things only to immediately forget about them or swerve away, TLJ being basically an entire movie of that. It feels worse than a parody of modern moviemaking-by-committee or JJ Abrams Mystery Boxes(TM) where constant redrafting, recutting and zero overall vision or consistency results in a directionless mess with no consistency that's nonetheless insufferably pleased with itself.
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Sep 28, 2025 07:06
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Guy A. Person posted:drat this a great point. I wonder how much of this was initiated by Lucas himself, I feel like he’s always been super prescient about this kind of cross platform potential He wrote the book on merchandising and another one on tie-ins. He developed a system of rules for letting professional fans play in his sandbox. One of the companies named after him was a forward-looking and ambitious game developer that went all-in on the concept of multimedia. He didn't involve himself closely in every project, but the fact that there were so many projects at all times was merely a continuation of the same strategy he had already made a career out of.
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I feel it Poe should have died with Holdo and Leia all in one calamity at the mid-point of TLJ. Have a total wash out. Have a cool rear end scene where one of them sacrifices themself and it inspires the other to follow and then the third does in quick succession and then Snoke dies and maybe another main character (Luke?) and then its like whoa wtf. star wars.
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Sep 28, 2025 08:13
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LarsPorsenna posted:TLJ won't be well regarded as long as liberalism continues to falter (as it must) in the face of declining material conditions. TLJ's legacy will solely be how it inadvertently explained the 2016 election.
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Sep 28, 2025 16:48
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"What's an election, grampa?"
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Lampsacus posted:I feel it Poe should have died with Holdo and Leia all in one calamity at the mid-point of TLJ. Have a total wash out. Have a cool rear end scene where one of them sacrifices themself and it inspires the other to follow and then the third does in quick succession and then Snoke dies and maybe another main character (Luke?) and then its like whoa wtf. star wars. In retrospect this could have made the hyperspace ramming more unique too like some coordinated technobabble between three of them was needed to make that happen like it did so you wouldn't have years of people questioning why everyone doesn't just hyperspace ram each other lol I was really excited about Poe/Finn/Ren after Force Awakens. Poe - for reasons mentioned, cool to have a Bucker Rogers-ish character around. Retconning him to be a drug dealer and straight in Rise of Skywalker was among it's many sins Finn - Sorta similar, I liked the idea of this more freewheeling guy who doesn't really give af about the force but would use a lightsaber alongside a blaster regularly. Again at the time for me evoked an earlier space fantasy kind of character compared archetype or something you'd see in the more primal like older Tales of the Jedi comics and stuff. Ren - Character design-wise this was cool and Driver is consistently excellent across the flicks. We see it established early on that he's no joke regarding force usage when he freezes the blaster bolt, has his custom lightsaber and worships Darth Vader's helmet and stuff. Between that and his lanky frame it's a great contrast with how immediately physical and angry he gets. Despite having these like pro ice smooth operator abilites and "silhouette" he brute forces everything. Powerful dude that's unsure of himself and feels like he's got something to prove is a cool start for a trilogy of flicks. The sidelining of Finn in Last Jedi was loving horseshit. Rose was cool but their adventure was seeing how hosed up child slavery and war profiteering is and so they free some space horses? To be 100% honest, they're on the planet with the folks that own all the ships and military hardware and all the $$$ folks of the galaxy go to hang out. When they got there I actually thought they were going to run into Lando there or, coerce or manipulate some kind of direct help for the fleeing resistance ships (I guess like Lando ends up doing in Rise of Skywalker lol) once the failed to get the specific hacker guy they were looking for at first. The throne room fight in Last Jedi, I was so loving hype after that because Ren owning Snoke out of nowhere and Rey an Ren teaming up, it really felt like anything could happen at that point but then...it didn't. They teased us again with broom kid and Luke's death, like, is movie three going to be after a bigger time jump? NOPE lol
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Poe should have died or hosed/sucked Finn. What they did was a waste of potential death or sucking/loving.
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Sep 29, 2025 07:00
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No big death, nor little deat either. Such a waste
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Tros is the sequel I enjoy the most, precisely because of how stupid it is. Disney sucks so much lol
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No Mods No Masters posted:I know I post this video a lot but only because I think of it often, particularly the timestamped part. I guess my theory on the coming 9 revision is that the gradual process with disney is people with higher standards self exclude and the remaining audience is proportionally more and more of these people I mean that's pretty much what happened with Harry Potter. The last book came out, anyone not into that poo poo just packed up and left, and now any extant fan space is gonna be full of people going "Oh Deathly Hallows is actually completely fine, the reception was good, don't see what the problem was." It's basically survivorship bias.
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Watched ESB again last night on cable while out of town and despite the hellmouth that opened into the ad dimension (ask me about cancer medicine that will kill you, apparently) it remains a perfect movie well why not posted:This moment broke me a little. The knife maker knew how a space station built hundreds of years in the future would crumble and stand - and the exact time and location that Rey would see it from. On the one hand, it's a sith dagger so they simply used the Force to know how to design the dagger. On the other hand, that's stupid.
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Turns out Disney underreported before and Rise of Skywalker its third most expensive movie ever made at $593 million. https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2025/10/13/cost-of-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-approaches-600-million/
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I always take Forbes financial analysis of film's financials with a giant grain of salt because their analysis is always based on the studio/exhibitor split being 50/50 which might be true for the business in aggregate, but definitely isn't true for mega-blockbusters like Star Wars where it was widely reported that Disney negotiated a very onerous 65-70% split with theatres in the USA. And if they get a major thing like that wrong, it makes it hard to take anything else they say on face value.
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Lampsacus posted:I feel it Poe should have died with Holdo and Leia all in one calamity at the mid-point of TLJ. Have a total wash out. Have a cool rear end scene where one of them sacrifices themself and it inspires the other to follow and then the third does in quick succession and then Snoke dies and maybe another main character (Luke?) and then its like whoa wtf. star wars. Someone earlier suggested something like this but having Holdo live/be inspired by so many sacrificing themselves so that you go into Rise of Skywalker with literally Laura Dern as the leader/face of the Resistance.
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Look, I love Laura Dern as much as the next guy but if a new Star Wars film is banking on actor credibility to make it good or notable its already a hard fall. These movies, even when derided, operated pretty much just on the hype of being a new loving Star Wars all they way up through TFA at least. Even for TLJ, the hype wasn't that LAURA DERN was gonna be in a star wars movie, but that Laura Dern was gonna be in a STAR WARS.
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Oct 14, 2025 12:15
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No one gives a poo poo about Laura Dern. I'm sure she's nice but shes just the Jurassic Park lady to 99% of the people out there.
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Oct 14, 2025 12:58
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This feels like the Von Sydow discussion from a few pages ago, with the same deranged points. It's not about Laura Dern, specifically. But sure, go off being weirdos insisting this hard that nobody likes or even knows her. It's about how her character Holdo was used, i.e. badly. People are suggesting that the movies would have been improved if the character had been used better. The character itself might have been played by another famous actress, say Sigourney Weaver. Or it could have been a random nobody.
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Unfair. I was responding to someone talking about getting "Laura Dern as the face of the resistance" as if that would improve TROS.
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What would it even mean for the character of Holdo to have been "used well?" What role do we imagine her fulfilling?
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BiggestBatman posted:Unfair. I was responding to someone talking about getting "Laura Dern as the face of the resistance" as if that would improve TROS. The changes that would bring are so vast that it's kinda weird to focus on her as the main point of contention. They are basically suggesting that the whole movie be different, and the only point you have is "Eh, but gently caress Laura Dern!"
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Schwarzwald posted:What would it even mean for the character of Holdo to have been "used well?" What role do we imagine her fulfilling? Princess Leia Recolor. (Mon Mothma Recolor?)
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Yeah, she'd be the leader of the Resistance. Instead they kinda made Poe the avatar of all the rebellion in the same way Rey was the avatar of all the jedi. It woulda helped things feel less small, and allowed for conflict.
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Grendels Dad posted:The changes that would bring are so vast that it's kinda weird to focus on her as the main point of contention. They are basically suggesting that the whole movie be different, and the only point you have is "Eh, but gently caress Laura Dern!" Also unfair. The first four words of my post were "I like Laura dern." Have I insulted you somewhere to get this kind of bad faith interaction?
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To replace Leia with holdo would just give the chance to actually film new footage of the resistance leader but as already said, they just did that by slotting in poe and sometimes Finn as the highest rank dude in the scene. Putting holdo in as well would just add even another character to a too stuffed movie. In fact, Leia in tros is mostly there as a supporting character for Rey and obliquely Kylo. You can't have holdo replace her in that capacity. Laura dern is an amazing actress (I love Certain Women), but star wars has always made it's assorted rebel generals background characters (with Akbar rising to playing second fiddle to secondary character Lando). Having a character actually deal with military hierarchy nonsense is some of the most boring cop show non-star wars poo poo in the world.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:Yeah, she'd be the leader of the Resistance. Instead they kinda made Poe the avatar of all the rebellion in the same way Rey was the avatar of all the jedi. It woulda helped things feel less small, and allowed for conflict. Yeah it made everything feel too small. Like if you had her in instead of say, the ENTIRE part of the fetch quest where Poe finds his ex girlfriend and we learn about how he was a drug dealer, that alone would have improved the movie. Like someone said having an entire subplot that's kind of there to remove the thoughts of Finn/Poe romance but it's also just some weird side errand for Poe, I think it really does go into that "the characters aren't used well" territory. I know that that's nebulous but to me it just means we have the characters spinning their wheels instead of developing or moving forward. Like we learn about Poe's past and....? Who gives a gently caress as it doesn't play into things at all beyond his initial meeting up with Keri Russell. When people talk about Holdo not being used well it's like, maybe she should have hyperspace rammed the main ship chasing them immediately instead of waiting for most of the resistance to get killed if they were going to kill her off anyway and that ship was the source of the technobabble setup that was tracking them through hyperspace! The hyperspace ram is beautiful visually of course and cool but again it makes the characters seem dumb to me because she's basically static except for when we learn that her and Leia feel Poe is the ideal new resistance leader and her reveal of her master plan to let the entire resistance get massacred before doing a thing that would stop that from happening. But like if she did that would Poe not have performed a mutiny and therefore not been worthy to lead the rebellion? Like wtf was going on with that entire aspect of the flick. BiggestBatman posted:Laura dern is an amazing actress (I love Certain Women), but star wars has always made it's assorted rebel generals background characters (with Akbar rising to playing second fiddle to secondary character Lando). Having a character actually deal with military hierarchy nonsense is some of the most boring cop show non-star wars poo poo in the world. True there's no way a production about characters grappling with changes to different military hierarchies could make for some good Star Wars...
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