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BigglesSWE posted:Game better have an audio slider where you can pull up Sebulba’s pod engine sound up to 500%. Makes me think of another big failing of the sequels, sound design. Not a single memorable new sound effect in all three movies. The OT of course basically invented sci fi sound design, but the prequels were also jam packed with instantly recognizable sounds like Sebulbas pod. Sequel trilogy has nothing, literally nothing.
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galagazombie posted:Makes me think of another big failing of the sequels, sound design. Not a single memorable new sound effect in all three movies. The OT of course basically invented sci fi sound design, but the prequels were also jam packed with instantly recognizable sounds like Sebulbas pod. Sequel trilogy has nothing, literally nothing. The sequels didn't have Ben Burtt involved iirc past episode 7, which was mostly mining nostalgia anyway so it was reusing sounds. He's directly responsible for so many iconic Star Wars sounds, like blasters, lightsabers, tie fighters etc, then came back for the sequel and doubled down with more stuff like pod racers and Jangos bombs. They all live rent free in our head. The only new iconic thing I can think of was Kylo's spattering lightsaber, which I'd assume he had a hand in.
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At the beginning of ESB, Han is heading out to look for Luke and someone says "Your Tauntaun will freeze before you get to the first marker!" and Han retorts, "Then I'll see you in Hell!" This raises a theological problem IMO; I'm aware that he's definitely not referring to the Christian Hell as SW takes place "a long time ago," which is assumed to be at least BC, but do other cultures (including, assumedly, Corellian) have a concept of the afterlife and damnation? It seems impossible since Force Ghosts exist and have done so for millenia, so surely they would've mentioned an afterlife of some sort (if only to disqualify other finalities) Do Corellians still believe in ancient stories and hokey religions, even after being one of the first planets to achieve spacefaring status in the SW galaxy?
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Why wouldn't they? On top of most of the galaxy barely knowing that Jedi ever existed, the idea of Force Ghosts is implied to be completely unknown even among Jedi, and there's only a tiny handful of them we see. And on the other hand, the Star Wars galaxy is always explicitly shown to be an extremely diverse place even if individual planets are often monocultures, and no doubt has all kinds of cultures and religions. Even here on Earth plenty of spiritual beliefs and ideas involve various kinds of afterlife and good and bad places, and plenty of people say 'Oh my god!' and 'See you in hell!' while being actively atheist or irreverent towards religion simply because that's what they're used to saying. Vaguely related and also lol: quote:Bigger Luke Theory is the perfect satire of "fan theories" existing divorced from textual analysis because it uses all the tools of treating the fiction at face value as a real thing that happened, to reach a conclusion that makes absolutely no loving sense in any interpretation of the story https://vexwerewolf.tumblr.com/post/802562095157739520/new-lancer-crossover-just-dropped Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Dec 13, 2025 |
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What he SHOULD have said was "I'll see you in exegol."
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Lots of religions have hells.
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I'll see you in Courtship of Princess Leia!
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The underground treatment centre on H'ell was famous for their expertise in dealing with frostbite, though as a core system Tigran Jamiro didn't know how Captain Solo expected them to take him there should the worst happen. Chapter 2 Corran Horn spat out another mouthful of hair as he walked back to his quarters. With Captain Solo out on the ice that was one fewer ship to defend the ice base Hoth and he needed all his wits about him.
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Isometric Bacon posted:The sequels didn't have Ben Burtt involved iirc past episode 7, which was mostly mining nostalgia anyway so it was reusing sounds. Lack of Ben Burtt is probably a factor, but also there's precious few designs in the sequels that are actually new that require new sounds. When you're so reliant on the past that sort of stuff stagnates. We still have Anakin/Luke/Rey's lightsaber, next generation X-wings, next generation Star Destroyers, next generation Death Stars. BB-8 is also just next generation R2 but to their (Burtt's) credit they did a pretty good job of making him sound distinct. The only distinctive sound effect in the sequels is probably the lack of it when Holdo kamikazes the fleet. I guess the porgs were cute?
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The porgs were also basically accidental as they decided to work with the puffins on the island they shot on instead of CGI'ing them out. Which like, I respect, but feels like it says a lot that some of the only memorable things about the prequels are things they were actively forced to include.
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feedmyleg posted:I really enjoyed this extensive breakdown of the history of Lucas's plans for the the sequel trilogy, going back to the 70s. You can ignore the title and the "Part Three," it stands on its own away from the rest of the series. Unfortunately, Rick Worley is a right wing freak who defends JK Rowling and even Woody Allen  So yeah, I would avoid his vids, sadly. I'll use this as an opportunity to promote a youtuber who makes similar vids on Star Wars but is an actual cool person: my friend Benjamin who makes top tier stuff on his channel "Honeycutt Videos"  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkW035f_hZ8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LsxGGjyZ_Q (Hes obviously being ironic with the title/thumbnail of this next one lol) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-XQStN9Kak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btgtbH2N_Kk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxLF1QJN6_A Jamie Faith fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Dec 13, 2025 |
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Why would anyone be surprised by the concept of hell in Star Wars when Satan shows up at the ANH Cantina?
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YaketySass posted:Why would anyone be surprised by the concept of hell in Star Wars when Satan shows up at the ANH Cantina? The worst spy in town, a drunk, and a music nerd. What’s not to love?
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Jamie Faith posted:Unfortunately, Rick Worley is a right wing freak who defends JK Rowling and even Woody Allen Ugh, bummer, removing. It was a YouTube recc so I had no context on the guy. You can definitely tell that he's a smug dick based on some of his takes in the video, but they felt ignorable in the grand scheme of things. I'll check out Honeycutt, not sure I've seen their stuff pop up before. I tend to prefer the behind the scenes history (or occasionally lore...) videos over video essays, so YouTube reccs can be tough sometimes. Just so many baby's first film school essay takes. feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Dec 13, 2025 |
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Lines like "See you in Hell" strike me as almost being like a translation/localization, from whatever language they speak in A Galaxy Far, Far Away. It's not necessarily referring to the Christian conception of Hell but an afterlife (unpleasant) in general, with a side note of "gently caress you" to the person he's talking to. In Episode III Yoda does make reference to the "netherworld of the Force", which may be what everyone's in when they're not popping up as Force Ghosts or whatever. (Han probably doesn't believe in that, but he's at least culturally aware of the concept.)
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As it took place long, long ago, everyone in Star Wars is going straight 2 purgatory because they have not had the opportunity to be saved yet
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Rochallor posted:The only distinctive sound effect in the sequels is probably the lack of it when Holdo kamikazes the fleet. I guess the porgs were cute? Theres Babu Friks old man baby voice!
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Maxwell Lord posted:In Episode III Yoda does make reference to the "netherworld of the Force", which may be what everyone's in when they're not popping up as Force Ghosts or whatever. The idea of the Netherworld originates from early drafts of Return of the Jedi, and was basically that - a sort of waiting room between life and true death (abandoning your identity and just becoming part of the amorphous universal Force). A person could only stay in the Netherworld for so long, so Obi-Wan was kind of on a ticking clock, and was sticking around longer than he should in order to help Luke. The Netherworld is also where Yoda and Obi-Wan intercepted Anakin's spirit, and helped him manifest as a ghost at the end of the movie.
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Everyone being oblivious to the Jedi, despite them being in cahoots with the emperor (and there being a lot of them) never really sat well with me. Although a rural outlaw type like Han being more aware of government conspiracies with religious sects is very 2020s.
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I think most of the skeptics are like "yeah they existed and they were well trained fighters but they didn't have all these magic powers".
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feedmyleg posted:I'll check out Honeycutt, not sure I've seen their stuff pop up before. I tend to prefer the behind the scenes history (or occasionally lore...) videos over video essays, so YouTube reccs can be tough sometimes. Just so many baby's first film school essay takes. Obviously I'm biased because he is a friend of mine, but yeah I think Honeycutt is a pretty smart guy with interesting things to say and one of the very few actually good video essayists out there. So much of his vids involve him going into the production side of things to inform his argument so I think it'll probably scratch your itch for behind the scenes stuff. 
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Maxwell Lord posted:I think most of the skeptics are like "yeah they existed and they were well trained fighters but they didn't have all these magic powers". Which is still weird even if the Jedi never existed at all, considering all the alien poo poo that exists. They got a bunch of technology so advanced it makes Star Wars indistinguishable from Lord of the Rings, but the Jedi with their telepathy and their swords are a bridge too far! edit: I guess now that I've said it, that does make everyone in Star Wars denying the Jedi's existence a Hobbit not knowing what Gondor is.
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It's a personality trait. Han is a cynic, and he's seen too many faith healers and snake oil salesmen to be taken in by stories of do gooder wizards with magic powers. Just another con for the rubes in his view.
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Anakin had heard of Jedi - lightsaber-wielding warriors who can never be killed - but he was an imaginative collector of tall space tales, such as the superlatively beautiful Angels who live on the moons of Iego. The galaxy is full of wonders, and also full of bullshit. In the time of the Republic, they were at least well-known enough for their supposed abilities to be idiomatic, even out in the sticks.
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well why not posted:Everyone being oblivious to the Jedi, despite them being in cahoots with the emperor (and there being a lot of them) never really sat well with me. Although a rural outlaw type like Han being more aware of government conspiracies with religious sects is very 2020s. They exist, but even if like G. Gordon Liddy, in this case G. Gordon Jedi, worked for the FBI and Nixon and monitored people in real life, Joe Q. Rebo is not going to meet him. That said, someone like Count Dooku has written tons of awful books and is on TV a lot.
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So it’s like if black ops were the way Americans think black ops are
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FunkyAl posted:That said, someone like Count Dooku has written tons of awful books and is on TV a lot. Now that I think about it a cool angle for Dooku is him as leader of the Separatists making a grift of having “escaped from the Jedi cult”. Like those evangelical Christian’s who pretend to have gone undercover in “satanic cults” and such to sell books, as part of a Sith plot to discredit the Jedi. Maybe the galaxy was full of paperbacks with Dooku’s face on them with titles like: Mind Trick: How the Jedi conned the Republic. An Insiders Account
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well why not posted:So it’s like if black ops were the way Americans think black ops are Lucas outright said the Jedi showing up in the start of TPM were meant to evoke mob enforcers. I think there's also a vibe of the federal marshal riding into town in a Western. Of course, it's also barely subtext that the Jedi aren't actually very suited for this role, and it hasn't been good for them organisationally either, but the Republic can't be bothered enforcing its own laws or protecting its own members without just sending the mystic warrior monks to go wave a lightsaber or something and sort it out. Hence why the whole plot to set up the Clone Wars, where the Jedi are press-ganged into being the officer corps for a bloody galactic war they're for the most part even less suited for actually doing, meaning tons of them get killed and/or turn to the dark side long before Order 66.
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galagazombie posted:Maybe the galaxy was full of paperbacks with Dooku’s face on them with titles like: Preposterous. They don't use paper.
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Jamie Faith posted:Unfortunately, Rick Worley is a right wing freak who defends JK Rowling and even Woody Allen videos focused entirely on critiquing the RLM prequel videos NOW are kind of hilarious to me, especially ones like these. The whole genre of "absurdly pedantic lengthy deconstruction" was practically invented by the original RLM prequel videos, for better or worse. And here we have an absurdly pedantic lengthy deconstruction of the RLM videos, released in 2024.
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Glottis posted:videos focused entirely on critiquing the RLM prequel videos NOW are kind of hilarious to me, especially ones like these. The whole genre of "absurdly pedantic lengthy deconstruction" was practically invented by the original RLM prequel videos, for better or worse. And here we have an absurdly pedantic lengthy deconstruction of the RLM videos, released in 2024. Live by the sword, die by the sword.
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euphronius posted:its not original if its "restored " I’m deadly serious why are you this way. You know exactly what they mean you just want to be pedantic for some absurd reason.
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CelticPredator posted:I’m deadly serious why are you this way. You know exactly what they mean you just want to be pedantic for some absurd reason. obviously it’s not original if the print isn’t covered in dust and the projectionist isn’t smoking a cigarette while beating off to a porno mag
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Maxwell Lord posted:I think most of the skeptics are like "yeah they existed and they were well trained fighters but they didn't have all these magic powers". Yeah Han's cynicism in ANH is about the Force itself, not the existence of the Jedi. ANH posted:Han Solo: Hokey religions and ancient weapons are not a good match for a blaster at your side, kid.
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It is deeply funny that if Luke had never gotten hosed up by the wampa probably the next day Chewie would have run into him at the canteen and gone, hey you're getting pretty good at that Jedi poo poo, you should talk to my old pal Yoda, here's the coordinates I programmed his tiny space shuttle with.
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CelticPredator posted:I’m deadly serious why are you this way. You know exactly what they mean you just want to be pedantic for some absurd reason. The perfectly restored Star Wars that combines the 1977 film with modern filmmaking standards and is reverential of the qualities of the original without any of that Lucas crap exists: it's called The Force Awakens.
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josh04 posted:The perfectly restored Star Wars that combines the 1977 film with modern filmmaking standards and is reverential of the qualities of the original without any of that Lucas crap exists: it's called The Force Awakens. 
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josh04 posted:The perfectly restored Star Wars that combines the 1977 film with modern filmmaking standards and is reverential of the qualities of the original without any of that Lucas crap exists: it's called The Force Awakens. I’d rather watch it than his garbage special editions Also to preemptively counter the point again for the thousandth time. Idgaf if it’s the 1977 version or the 80’s version, or the vhs version as long as it’s any of them before the 1997 ones it’s fine to me and I would wager most people. But at this point I just have so little love for this franchise and it’s just not very pleasant to discuss but drat that cutsy “he he imma getcha with this one true point to own the Lucas haters” can go to hell
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