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General Dog posted:The answer is that blood relation apparently isn't something you can sniff out with the Force. Vader figured out Luke's identity between ANH and ESB just by putting 2 and 2 together. Just some cursory investigation should reveal that: This was actually show in a comic (because of course it was) and Boba Fett was involved (because of course he was) https://comicnewbies.com/2015/06/04/darth-vader-learns-luke-is-his-son/ I have no clue what's going on with Luke's face in the next to last page.
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Boxman posted:This was actually show in a comic (because of course it was) and Boba Fett was involved (because of course he was) It’s from an earlier scene where Luke (briefly) takes on Vader and gets clowned. Fett was looking for the pilot who blew up the Death Star.
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Jun 3, 2020 16:58
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General Dog posted:Here's a question- was Anakin Skywalker famous? As perhaps the most decorated hero of the Clone Wars and a personal protege of Chancellor Palpatine, he seems like someone who would, if not a household name, would at least be known of by Coruscant insiders. If he was publicly known, and anyone happened to wonder where this Darth Vader guy came from, seems like there'd at least be a few truthers out who might connect the dots. If it counts, the (good) novelization of ROTS opens with a prologue talking about how Anakin and Obi are famous and broom kids have posters of them in their bedrooms and pretend as them on playgrounds and stuff. Someone might be able to dig up the passage
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Jun 3, 2020 17:02
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I thought that the scene after Yoda dies where Luke sits down with Obi-Wan's force ghost was really funny too. It must seemed like Lucas turning directly to the audience and being like "no, see, this all makes sense if you squint"
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Jun 3, 2020 17:03
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Ingmar terdman posted:If it counts, the (good) novelization of ROTS opens with a prologue talking about how Anakin and Obi are famous and broom kids have posters of them in their bedrooms and pretend as them on playgrounds and stuff. Someone might be able to dig up the passage Yeah, that's partially what inspired the post. I guess it's also fair to ask how many people had heard of Darth Vader. By the Empire Strikes back he's basically in command of the entire military, but I guess it's possible he was lower profile for most of his career, when he was basically a CIA agent.
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Jun 3, 2020 17:05
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punishedkissinger posted:I thought that the scene after Yoda dies where Luke sits down with Obi-Wan's force ghost was really funny too. It must seemed like Lucas turning directly to the audience and being like "no, see, this all makes sense if you squint" I don't know if it's the intent, but I kind of like how lame Obi-Wan's explanation is and the extent to which Luke just isn't having it. It's one of those scenes that's actually strengthened a bit by the prequels.
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Jun 3, 2020 17:07
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General Dog posted:I don't know if it's the intent, but I kind of like how lame Obi-Wan's explanation is and the extent to which Luke just isn't having it. It's one of those scenes that's actually strengthened a bit by the prequels. Yeah, I definitely read a lot more into Luke's expressions with the prequels in mind. It's also really clear how hosed up and lovely Obi-Wan and Yoda are. Yoda gets so mad at luke and keeps calling him a dumb motherfucker for rushing off to save his friends. Literally all Yoda cares about is killing Vader and he's just mad that Luke cut their brainwashing sessions short and found out that Vader is his dad.
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Jun 3, 2020 17:12
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The sequel films make it clear that everything that happens diegetically has become folk knowledge. Rey seems to have watched the films. Ignoring the sequels, Owen apparently has no trouble hiding from Luke the fact that there was someone named Anakin Skywalker who fought in the clone wars, in fact Luke seems to only tenuously understand what the Jedi Knights were. Hard to say what the general understanding of an educated populace was versus what a backwater farmer would know though. And of course the Empire no doubt repressed all kinds of information about the war.
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Jun 3, 2020 17:16
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The idea that Rey has heard of Han Solo and the Falcon, but identifies him first as a smuggler and not as a war hero will never not be hilarious. It would be like if you brought up Tim Allen to a Zoomer and they were like "Tim Allen? The drug dealer?"
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Jun 3, 2020 17:23
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The actual reason Luke doesn't know what the Jedi are is that they where like the knights of the round table for the lost camelot of the old republic. Everything about them invokes the idea of the knight errants, or actual more the ronin samurai, since Kurosawa was such a big influence on Lucas. The old republic was and old republic because Lucas was putting in an anti-fascist message for the US. This all had to change with the prequels because then the questions became "what the gently caress were the clone wars? If Kenobi was a general, I guess the Jedi were formally part of the military? How did the republic function?". I don't even think Lucas did that bad a job, given the facts dropped in the OT. But it does change the sort of mythic quality he was invoking in the OT when you find out the Jedi are a kind of Scientology Marine Core working as the enforcement arm of the government. Suddenly the idea that people haven't heard of them is absurd, given the profile they have in the Republic. Hell, it's not even clear in the OT that Yoda was a Jedi Knight himself, versus a wise old sage who imparted Jedi knowledge. Just like with the light sabres, a whole ton of merely implied things become codified as true in the fandom and extended canon, and it retroactively changes how you interpret the original story.
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Jun 3, 2020 17:27
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General Dog posted:The answer is that blood relation apparently isn't something you can sniff out with the Force. Vader figured out Luke's identity between ANH and ESB just by putting 2 and 2 together. Just some cursory investigation should reveal that: Kylo was able to suss out quite a bit about Rey just from the one interrogation he did on her (although I expect the counterargument to be that she had been "awakened" by contact with Anakin's lightsaber) , so Vader somehow not realizing that Leia looks kind of like his dead wife or sniffing out that there might be some connection between them just doesn't hold up. The 11th-hour change to make Luke and Leia siblings has always been pretty weak, tbh, and it didn't exactly make for great storytelling fodder in the sequels anyway. Meanwhile Boyega is out here living out the unused rebellion leader plotline from the sequels. https://twitter.com/Complex/status/1268209841899663360
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Jun 3, 2020 17:29
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Boyega is basically just his character from Attack the Block grown up and that loving rules
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Jun 3, 2020 18:05
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quote:“So…” Obi-Wan summoned a condemnation among the most offensive in his vocabulary. “...uncivilized.” quote:“Hey, he’s got your lightsaber, too!” God the RotS novel is so good
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Jun 3, 2020 19:05
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Mat Cauthon posted:Kylo was able to suss out quite a bit about Rey just from the one interrogation he did on her (although I expect the counterargument to be that she had been "awakened" by contact with Anakin's lightsaber) , so Vader somehow not realizing that Leia looks kind of like his dead wife or sniffing out that there might be some connection between them just doesn't hold up. It's pretty easy to not worry about your career when you've already made Star Wars money.
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Jun 3, 2020 19:06
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I'll always go to bat for matthew stover in general, the fact he got any work at all in the EU hack zone is still pretty crazy 15 years on. The extended sequence of palpatine play acting the assassination for the audio transcript when the jedi come to arrest him was my fav part
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Jun 3, 2020 19:08
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punishedkissinger posted:Yeah, I definitely read a lot more into Luke's expressions with the prequels in mind. It's pretty clear that Yoda and Obi-Wan HAVE done so growth since the Prequel trilogies, where Yoda was so hide-bound as to refuse to let Qui-Gon train Anakin, but they're still in other ways stuck in the past. Luke's advantage is coming into Jedi training at an age where he can reject the failed teachings of the old Order and still use the good parts, although he comes dangerously close to falling in his final duel with Vader. And of course the sequels then screwed it all up.
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Jun 3, 2020 19:12
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:It's pretty clear that Yoda and Obi-Wan HAVE done so growth since the Prequel trilogies, where Yoda was so hide-bound as to refuse to let Qui-Gon train Anakin, but they're still in other ways stuck in the past. Luke's advantage is coming into Jedi training at an age where he can reject the failed teachings of the old Order and still use the good parts, although he comes dangerously close to falling in his final duel with Vader. Yoda's last words are him begging luke to start a jedi academy, but then in RotS he doesn't seem to give a poo poo? Maybe he did some growing after his death.
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Jun 3, 2020 19:17
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PeterCat posted:It's pretty easy to not worry about your career when you've already made Star Wars money. You’d think so, but then look at every recent Disney movie. Boyega’s doing good poo poo.
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Jun 3, 2020 19:46
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The new kids were all signed for three pictures as (relative) unknowns I don't think they made a ton. And yeah I get were talking millions here but it's a world apart from what the main three probably got to come back for empire, or harrison for jedi (or harrison for the force awakens (or harrison for rise of skywalker)) Boyega does cooler poo poo in real life than Finn in space though. Harrison has just lived in a 60 year weed cloud and crashes planes
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Jun 3, 2020 20:10
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The Little Death posted:Hell, it's not even clear in the OT that Yoda was a Jedi Knight himself, versus a wise old sage who imparted Jedi knowledge. "There you will learn from Yoda, the Jedi Master who instructed me." punishedkissinger posted:I thought that the scene after Yoda dies where Luke sits down with Obi-Wan's force ghost was really funny too. It must seemed like Lucas turning directly to the audience and being like "no, see, this all makes sense if you squint" That scene always makes me laugh because ... why the hell would a ghost need to sit?
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Jun 3, 2020 21:23
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Timby posted:
Filming that must have been like Krusty in the recording booth. There’s no other way it could have gone down.
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Jun 3, 2020 22:06
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Timby posted:"There you will learn from Yoda, the Jedi Master who instructed me." Guiness on the log pouty that Luke wont kill Vader and Harrison's "youre gonna die here - convenient" are great moments sprung from the boredom/disdain and I was hoping there would be some moments like that in ROS. Mark wearing that lovely wig and hiding his robot arm (or restored human arm? who knows and who knows why) is completely over it but it's more sad than funny
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Jun 3, 2020 22:07
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Is Harrison Ford like a huge rear end in a top hat or something? He just seems so uninterested in being in a major motion picture throughout the entire series, but especially in Jedi.
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Jun 3, 2020 22:38
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punishedkissinger posted:Is Harrison Ford like a huge rear end in a top hat or something? He just seems so uninterested in being in a major motion picture throughout the entire series, but especially in Jedi. Harrison Ford like chilling and having sex and smoking weed and flying airplanes, and stumbled upon acting as a stable income source to fund those pursuits. It's the American dream.
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Jun 3, 2020 22:41
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I guess that's pretty relateable
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punishedkissinger posted:Is Harrison Ford like a huge rear end in a top hat or something? He just seems so uninterested in being in a major motion picture throughout the entire series, but especially in Jedi. I think he does a good job in ANH and TESB. He clearly doesn't want to be there for ROTJ, but he's also got very little to work with.
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punishedkissinger posted:Is Harrison Ford like a huge rear end in a top hat or something? He just seems so uninterested in being in a major motion picture throughout the entire series, but especially in Jedi. The guy got famous in his thirties, by which point he probably realized that acting was a way for him to fund his flying habit and roustabout lifestyle and wasn't too concerned with like...being great at it or buying into celebrity culture. It's treated him pretty well so far, so probably the right choice. No slander, though. FWIW I think he's drat good in Witness and a few other things and Ford is one of the few actors I'd spazz out over if I ever saw them in public. Unrelated - pretty good article on Boyega, race, etc in Star Wars. https://twitter.com/812filmreviews/status/1268240549535977479
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Good on Boyega as an individual for doing what he feels he need to do, but it’s that critical to us that corporations performatively affirm the value of all human life, we’re already hosed.
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Jun 4, 2020 01:37
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I believe Ford has described himself as a working class character actor who fell rear end backwards into being one of the most famous faces in the world, and on top of that it’s pretty clear he only really enjoys acting as opposed to doing it for the check when he gets to play some kind of out-there dipshit that he can really go all in on, rather than the really boring grumpy badasses everyone for the last 30 years has been dead set on casting him as.
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Jun 4, 2020 01:43
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Watching the prequels again now. It's pretty rude how Obi Wan and Qui Gon refer to Mail as "it" after they encounter him for the first time. Pretty racist imo.
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One of many little prequel details that may mean nothing: one of the guys on the Jedi Council is the same species as Darth Maul Another one: Qui-Gon mentions that Malastare does podracing. Podracing is an insanely cruel blood sport run by gangsters! Later, at the Senate meeting, one of the Senators who takes the side of the Trade Federation, and has a posh accent, is from Malastare
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Timby posted:"There you will learn from Yoda, the Jedi Master who instructed me." Right but that didn't necessarily mean that Yoda flipped around with a laser sword or led Wookie armies during the clone wars. He seemed more like a Guru character, a wise old spiritual master who feigns madness to test initiates to the path. If he was a warrior, that was long past, decades or even centuries. Instead we find out that no, he was a respected military leader and backflipping laser gremlin roughly 20 years ago, and he decided to go live in a cave and eat tubers while pretending to be crazy I guess for no reason other than to hide until the protagonist comes along. As the prequels have it, Luke is the only person Yoda had ever trained in this way, so he was just making poo poo up I guess. And I guess he set up the magic tree with his force powers cause Dagobah was just a mud ball where it was convenient for him to hide All this to say just that the prequels canonized a certain understanding of the vague shapes the OT implied, and this has an effect on viewing the OT again now. Asking why Vader didn't know Leia was his daughter is dumb because a) we all know that plot wasn't though up till RoTJ, but also b) because that was decided before the origin story made the canonical universe more connected and less medieval and fractured than what seemed to be implied in the OT. The Jedi weren't Knights anymore in the Phantom Menace, more a mix of CIA Agent and Seal Team Six. Beelzebufo fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Jun 4, 2020 |
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2house2fly posted:One of many little prequel details that may mean nothing: one of the guys on the Jedi Council is the same species as Darth Maul The race is the Boonta Eve classic and the planet Boonta is in the old Droids cartoon.
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Ford doesn’t give a poo poo about most of his roles and is very very stoned most of the day. He also has massive stage fright which is why he rarely does press, and if he does, acts weird or does a comedy sketch.
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The Little Death posted:Right but that didn't necessarily mean that Yoda flipped around with a laser sword or led Wookie armies during the clone wars. He seemed more like a Guru character, a wise old spiritual master who feigns madness to test initiates to the path. If he was a warrior, that was long past, decades or even centuries. i mean it seems pretty evident in the prequels yoda's fighting days are behind him, like he's giving it a last go but he's too old for this poo poo. also you guys are dumb as gently caress yoda didn't want luke to go to cloud city cause he knew luke was going to charge in to fight vader and get himself hosed up, it's why his last big lesson is to have luke confront vader without his lightsaber and when the dumbass does attack (cause he's angry and poo poo) darth vader turns out to be him all along
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well why not posted:Ford doesn’t give a poo poo about most of his roles and is very very stoned most of the day. He also has massive stage fright which is why he rarely does press, and if he does, acts weird or does a comedy sketch.  Or you get this.
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Also, why would Amidala signing a piece of paper make an invasion legal? What is going on with the Galactic Republic here?
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Mat Cauthon posted:The guy got famous in his thirties, by which point he probably realized that acting was a way for him to fund his flying habit and roustabout lifestyle and wasn't too concerned with like...being great at it or buying into celebrity culture. It's treated him pretty well so far, so probably the right choice. The thing that pisses me off the most about the sequel trilogy is how brightly Boyega shined in TFA only to be sidelined into an almost joke of a character for the TLJ and RoS. Such wasted potential.
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