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Colonel Cool
Dec 24, 2006

I think charitably he wanted to push Luke to continue his battles to save the galaxy, not out of personal revenge.

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Colonel Cool
Dec 24, 2006

Why didn't Lucas have hilts for sabers way back when anyway? It seems like something that'd fit the aesthetic he was going for, back before anyone had any preconceived notions of what lightsabers should look like.

Colonel Cool
Dec 24, 2006

I don't think a twist is by any means required to make a movie good, and movies can certainly be well made enough that they stand on their own even if you know everything that's going to happen. That doesn't mean that a surprise can't add quality to a movie. A while ago I got someone who hadn't seen or heard of it to watch From Dusk Till Dawn with me and managed to keep the twist in that particular movie from her until it happened, and it was a fantastic surprise that greatly enhanced the whole experience.

Colonel Cool
Dec 24, 2006

I've never even considered that the OT stormtroopers were retroactively declared to be clones.

The way I always understood it is that they ordered up a bunch of clones to fight the Clone Wars, the survivors graduated to become stormtroopers when the Republic became the Empire. And then they just recruited new stormtroopers the old fashioned way and let the clone troopers get phased out over time as they died/aged out.

Colonel Cool
Dec 24, 2006

Where did Disney Star Wars go so wrong? It's clearly not budget or cast.

Colonel Cool
Dec 24, 2006

Was there actually a lot of corporate board room meddling with the ST? I haven't looked into it myself, but I know someone who's much more interested in that side of things who at least claims that Disney largely let JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson do their own thing with the movies. Outside of a few tweaks to do things like make them more China friendly, anyway.

Colonel Cool
Dec 24, 2006

I suspect the normie opinion is that TLJ was bad and who's Dave Filoni.

Colonel Cool
Dec 24, 2006

SuperMechagodzilla posted:

The actual ST movies are pretty close remakes of the prequels, grappling with the badness of the New Republic until the sudden Deus Ex Machina of Lando showing up. The filmmakers really did try and create a synthesis of the two Lucas trilogies, by creating a version of the prequels where ‘the good guys’ simply, arbitrarily win. This is just hard to detect because the prequels were already doing “a version of the OT where everything is (un)subtly hosed.”

I think they were way more remakes of the OT than the prequels. Like them or hate them, I think the prequels were notably different stories than the OT.

Colonel Cool
Dec 24, 2006

I just watched RoS for the first time, having avoided it after the disaster was that was The Last Jedi. I didn't like The Last Jedi one bit, but I suppose I have to give it credit for being an actual movie that had things like characters with motivations, and a story to tell. RoS was just a fever dream of incoherent nonsense gibberish vomited in your face at ninety miles an hour.

Colonel Cool
Dec 24, 2006

It really does feel like modern (writers? producers? studios?) are absolutely terrified to give female protagonists flaws or have them struggle with meaningful things ever. I was contrasting it with a few episodes of Avatar I rewatched recently and something I really appreciated was giving Katara actual character flaws that she had to struggle with and overcome. It makes a huge difference to how compelling a character is.

Colonel Cool
Dec 24, 2006

My favourite part of TLJ was when they hinted at something interesting with Kylo and Rey teaming up and abandoning the wars of the past and making something new and different together, and then immediately went back on it and returned to the status quo like two scenes later lol.

Colonel Cool
Dec 24, 2006

Were the movies overmanaged? The way I heard it both JJ and Rian Johnson were more or less given free reign to do as they pleased.

Colonel Cool
Dec 24, 2006

From what I heard people who went tended to love it but the big problem was it wasn't really a repeatable experience. You do it once, have great memories from it, but don't feel the need to do the same thing again.

Colonel Cool
Dec 24, 2006

My impression of TLJ was that it invented a bunch of character drama that never existed while pretending that it did exist. But if it's coming from fandom speculation instead that I'm just unaware of then that makes a great deal of sense to me.

Colonel Cool
Dec 24, 2006

It's a weird metric, but the prequels were so much more memeable.

"Now this is podracing!"
"I hate sand"
"I have the high ground!"
and so on.

That certainly doesn't indicate quality, but I think it does indicate that they were much more culturally pervasive. I'm not sure I remember even a single sequel meme. The reaction seems like it's been a collective shrug followed by immediately forgetting about them.

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Colonel Cool
Dec 24, 2006

I think whatever else you can say about the prequels, they in broad strokes were fine for the setting. It all fit together, and gave the setting more material to work with that largely made sense.

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