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euphronius posted:Rose didn’t say “don’t kill yourselves” What does that even mean? it's a completely arbitary distinction (anyone fighting for someone is fighting against something) and comes at the end of a film where a vast number of people have sacrificed or been sacrificed for the greater good, the only difference is that Finn is nominally a main character. No Dignity fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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teagone posted:Again, the visuals and dialogue don't support this. Finn is out for blood. He's disobeying Poe's direct order to retreat, which reflects upon Poe's own brashness from the opening scene. The Resistance's actually plan 'the spark that lights the fire that inspires the hope that sows the seeds that lights the dawn of a new rebellion' is complete nonsense though, Finn's orders are to go back inside and wait for death a couple of minutes later when the First Order blows the doors off their base and massacre them. The film certainly tries to frame his decision as a poor one, but it is the only option left in his situation. He had no way of knowing the Resistance's bullshit was going to be suddenly vindicated by events completely outside their knowledge or control.
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Oct 7, 2019 21:49
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The culture war is hell
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No Mods No Masters posted:We have about a month remaining to get through the thread's greatest hits and we're making good progress. Lukechat would be good to get out of the way for sure. Who wants to be the rope a dope for the jakkuine revival And then a week of discussing Episode IX before everyone gets bored of it and we're straight back to droid slavery chat.
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Nov 19, 2019 22:44
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People have acted without movie sets for literally thousands of years
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Nov 28, 2019 23:40
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It would work if Kylo was a genuinely revolutionary figure and wasn't obviously going to just going to do yet more fascism with the First Order and it would be a much more interesting story if that were the case. But yeah, as things stand it would just be Rey signing up to join the brownshirts.
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Zoran posted:The NMNM correct post zone impeccable
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Dec 19, 2019 19:07
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Noam Chomsky posted:BG2 was made by Black Isle (now Obsidian) using Bioware's engine. Nah, BG 1 & 2 were both Bioware developed, Black Isle made the Icewind Dale series and only published the rest
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I'll never get over Finn & Rose getting busted because they illegally parked on the pavement outside the casino, was their plotline actually meant to be a joke?
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Timeless Appeal posted:This is what Star Wars is though. The very first character who speaks in Star Wars is C-3PO who is framed as 1) Completely unimportant. Not only is he running away from the action, commenting on it as he does, but there is literally a clone of him right behind him. The first thing that you know about C-3PO, our first character, is that he' doesn't matter. 2) And I think we take this for granted, he's not the robot you expect. He doesn't speak in a booming voice or even a stilted voice. He's just a cowardly fuddy duddy with a British accent preparing for his own death. Our young hero is a whiney teenager who just wants to leave his lovely home town. The dashing rogue is a cynical crook. The princess in the castle greets our heroes sarcastic wit from a screwball comedy and is the most capable in a firefight. Even the dark space wizard is mocked by middle management. The idea of the Catina scene is something that is so iconic--Star Trek would eventually institutionalize the idea of the seedy space bar on Deep Space 9--but we forget that the novelty of it. It's the bar where all the aliens and villains and rogues from Flash Gordon go when they're not having adventures. It's a gag. The difference is the comedy didn't interfere with the drama in the OT, whereas hinging a serious plan to save thousands of lives and major plot point of the film on the protagonists being gormless morons just undermines the pathos the film later reaches for when they are undone by the consequences of the stupidity. I mean I guess it does work as a black farce, but I don't think that was intended or a particularly good fit for Star Wars.
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'It's about adventure, not scientific pedantry!' does just feel like another iteration of 'just turn off your brain!'
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CelticPredator posted:Turn off that idiot part of your brain. Keep the part that thinks about story, themes and character But stories with no grounded rules or limitations on what can happen end up being hollow nonsense that run by author fiat, which is why JJ's films always end up being stream of consciousness garbage.
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The Little Death posted:Was evil Rey there at the start? I know it becomes a big theme in TLJ but it seems pretty absent in TFA. I'm curious if there were any leaks from that time that point to a significantly different story. I know the editing of TFA is definitely weird in places which makes me think meddling, but to nowhere near the same degree as RoS. At the climax of TFA she uses the Dark Side to go beast mode and nearly kills Kylo
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Jan 30, 2020 15:42
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He also flies around in the imperial flagship the size of a small country in order to enforce the will of the Emperor.
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Jan 30, 2020 17:06
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OctoberCountry posted:There's absolutely no reason to be fair to Abrams not gonna lie creepy druid grandpa Snoke actually owns pretty hard. the ST being afraid to get weird with it is why they ended up being so dull to begin with, now fake-pagan paedo Snoke is a concept I can get behind
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Mar 2, 2020 21:22
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Detective No. 27 posted:I had that exact same realization over the weekend. Didn't Clone Wars finish like 5 or 6 years ago?
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Mar 18, 2020 21:56
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I just took it that Luke wasn't really that cut up about losing his family because they were the ones holding him on Tatooine and now he has the excuse he needs to go off adventuring with Kenobi
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May 20, 2020 17:50
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Robot Style posted:It seems like it was his own decision. Here's his full quote from the TLJ art book: Even if this is the case, 'I was too incompetent a writer to put these two characters who had a ton of chemistry in the last film in any scenes together' isn't really much better
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SolarFire2 posted:"You can find this super hacker at the craps tables." 'Ah well, we couldn't get him but we did find this guy the prison cells who says he can do the same thing, I'm sure he's on the level!' Honestly sounds like the setup to an episode of Futurama
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Jun 23, 2020 17:59
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2house2fly posted:If you've watched the other Star Wars movies then the only way to know the death star didn't blow up Coruscant is to consult a wiki Please, be fair to the ST. You could have consulted a children's dinner mat too.
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I think the problem people have follwoing your Star Wars reading SMG is that it's very hard to swallow Ren & Vader being proletarian christian-communists and not the stock bad guys they're presented as. The only people who are actually presented as upfront as actual leftist freedom fighters and not fascists who are definitely just working within the system only long enough to destroy it are the Rogue One faction of the rebellion, whom Vader murders. So when Ren says he wants to continue Vader's work I'd guess most people assume he means 'continue killing the Jedi and being a fascist' and not 'continue building the framework of space communism by usurping a fascist military empire, continuing to commit atrocities with an organisation staffed with people who still believe in said fascism and enacting the communism by unknown, unstated and undepicted means'
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:You need to be more truthful and accurate in your analysis. Vader appears to stop the Rebellion obtaining the plans Rogue One gave up their lives to acquire. How can he 'act in their spirit' whilst acting directly trying to invalidate their sacrifice and preserve the existence of the Death Star? And I'm not saying Vader & Ren look evil, therefore are evil, their actions speak for themselves. Vader's offer to overthrow the Empire and rule with Luke are revealed to be a lie when he tries to force Luke to become the Emperor's new apprentice in RotJ and in his first film alone Kylo Ren massacres a village and executes an elderly unarmed man, commits patricide and participates in the destruction of several populated worlds, presumably killing billions. And to really put a point on it, neither Vader nor Ren ever talk about liberation, freedom or justice and none of their actions suggest they're concerns for them either, your entire reading seems to stem from taking Vader at his word when he says he wants to overthrow Sheev and rule with Luke despite being perfectly capable of lying and both his actions before and after that encounter suggesting he is lying. Where was radical christian communist Vader when he brought Luke before Space Satan in chains and told him he must serve or die? Even saving Luke at the end is framed as the 'weak, human' Anakin remerging from the inhuman Vader to belatedly do the right thing, the Vader persona was perfectly happy to let Luke fry.
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The space ships and explosions are really good though
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Larryb posted:Though on the subject of CGI Tarkin, why couldn't they have just done the same thing for Carrie Fisher in TROS? 1) Because her body was still practically warm and it would have been grossly distasteful to puppet around a CGI simulacrum of her without her prior explicit consent 2) They just got a guy who did a good impression
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Jewmanji posted:I think it’s morally repugnant, I was asking why would it be more repugnant whether the person in question died a year ago rather than 50 years ago. As Halloween Jack said - morally you're right, there isn't really a difference, it's just a bad thing to do general. But in practical terms it would just have been a terrible business decision when her death is still in recent memory and social media would have flipped out for puppeting the face of a beloved actress and hollywood feminist icon, particularly as her death was directly linked to performing in the very same film trilogy.
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Oct 19, 2020 19:18
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Vinylshadow posted:"Finn has a family but he needs another family." 'He should be with his own kind'
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The AI telling you it needs to do the thing because conflict between organic and synthetic life is inevitable a few hours after you solved the intractable conflict between a synthetic race and its organic creators and your character can only go 'okay I guess that checks out' is also extremely bad writing and just as brainless a way to end as Rise of Skywalker imo
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Nov 7, 2020 22:06
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Wait, did Star Wars really end like Dragon Ball Z Pretty much, but it couldn't even land that right. At first Sheev wants Rey to kill him to complete the Sith ritual that will transfer the combined will of the Sith from him to her so she doesn't, then he tries to fry her with lightning at which point she does just send it back at him and melts his face off. So at the end Rey is either now the walking incarnation of the entire line of Sith Lords or the film just forgot the pivotal plot point it had set up just minutes ago.
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I don't think it was an impossible task, they did deliver the goods with Tuchunka so it was at least viable to produce a reactive and satisfying end to one of the trilogy's major plotlines in a satisfying way but the game would have needed a much longer development period to replicate that level of quality across the entire game, more like a CD Projekt Red development cycle than a standard AAA two year turnaround. That still wouldn't have solved the ending, but that didn't seem to be fundamentally a problem with the dev time so much as Casey Hudson suddenly deciding he was an auteur when it came to writing the conclusion and locking the other writing staff entirely out of the process so 
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I mean at least they didn't drop the actual reveal in an unrelated video game, that would have been astoundingly cynical and stupid
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I want to give Disney enough credit to say they wouldn't be so desperate to try and force Sheev into a prequel set hundreds of years beforehand, but they are probably going to have some Thanos endboss guy they string out over 8 films who is directly responsible for the existence of evil in the story and will suck incredible amounts of poo poo
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If only any of this had been reflected in Portman's performance!
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I mean he seemed to enjoy the experience? And he certainly cared enough to get a bit nutty with the role and bring something to it, rather than just turn up and collect a paycheque. If anything god bless him for being a theatrical actor who doesn't consider genre roles beneath him
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Elias_Maluco posted:I think most people here agree Mandalorian S1 was fine 'Fine' is a really damning with faint praise term I've seen bandied about recently. Extremely tolerable to watch isn't my idea of a good TV show
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jisforjosh posted:The cinematography in TLJ I will never understand why anyone likes the throne room fight scene. They're fighting a bunch of inconsequential putties performing choreography on the level of a power rangers episode and the entire thing takes place on a completely flat surface that looks like a sound stage with a loving greenscreen behind them. There's no interesting shots or any scene where any of the combatants show any personality, the one time something interesting happens and the baddie lands a hit and they edited it out in post. Anakin vs Dooku had more going for it visually and that was a dogshit fight
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CelticPredator posted:I’ll never understand you hating it. What part of that assessment do you disagree with
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teagone posted:
I mean the long and the short of it seems to be that you like it as a character moment for Rey and Ren, which is fair, but when people starting doing every frame a painting gushing about the film's masterful cinematography and then point to that scene they completely lose me
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No Mods No Masters posted:The boy's story was complete anyway. His love of star wars was rewarded with merch, and the knowledge that he was special but his material conditions would not be changing whatsoever in the foreseeable future After all that inspiration that kid is going to get all the STEM degrees now
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All I can ever think of with the DJ plotline is when Fry gets the 80s guy to become CEO of Planet Express. It's just such an insanely stupid situation, what the gently caress did you guys think would happen?!
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