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The alternate ending to TLJ that someone here in one of these threads proposed was so loving good that I'm going to find it hard to get invested in any other Star Wars films going forward, since they're not the ones that poster thought up.
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Schwarzwald posted:Which one was that? The industrialists from the Casino planet show up and just give the rebels a big, fancy new fleet. They say that, if the rebels ever really lose, they won't be able to sell as much poo poo to the First Order. The rebels win the ensuing battle against the First Order, but it's a hollow victory. I liked the bold steps that TLJ took and would have liked them to make a few more. General Dog posted:Finn and Poe kiss each other on the lips 
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So, larger problems with ROS's place in the Star Wars series, have we talked about how the script feels kind of half done? Just in mechanical terms? Like it was rewritten repeatedly and so you have new characters that perform similar roles to old characters, but they weren't sure what to do with the old one so they invented a new one? From about the point when chewie dies, only he doesn't, it felt very 'by the seat of your pants' as characters disappear, reappear, things happen and are undone, things are very important and then don't matter. Someone described the relationship between this and TLJ as like improvers who don't get along, but ROS felt more like it was in conflict with itself
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Jan 28, 2020 06:08
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The script isn’t the issue, as far as we know, because what we got very obviously isn’t what was on the page. As with all the Disney films, ROS was turbo-hosed in post-production. The knights of Ren were great, especially the circling wide shot of them standing in the middle of the desert, trying to figure out how to stand. I think you're probably right about where the emperor emerging was supposed to happen. Him and the fleet are a weird ticking clock that places no pressure on the pretty laid back rest of the movie, spent running to plenty of different planets to do things that ultimately don't matter.
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Jan 29, 2020 00:59
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Jewmanji posted:What was the original plan with Starkiller base? I know that Poe was famously supposed to die in the crash, but what was going to happen in the third act originally? probably something pretty similar, but without the half assed ticking clock of the bad space battle.
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Oct 20, 2020 04:40
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Ingmar terdman posted:My cynical theory is they just wanted a black woman on the poster and on the press tour My god everyone looks loving miserable here.
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Oct 22, 2020 01:07
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That is fairly obviously Easy Andy from Taxi Driver.
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Nov 3, 2020 23:42
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McCloud posted:That's really the worst character name in the history of character names, jesus george It's the best. There's also a monster called 'the Rancor' why are you even watching star wars?
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Nov 4, 2020 00:50
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Something I never quite picked up on, and I don't know why, is that McDiarmid is loving great at acting in front of a green screen. The common refrains was 'oh, you can't get good performances in front of a green screen, but Ian just nails every scene, often while interacting with a tennis ball on a blue background. I'm not surprised at all to find out he came from the stage originally. He's very much in the hallowed ranks of amazing classically trained british actors who've ended up with their careers defined by genre films. That opera scene is actually just peak pulp cinema and it rules.
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Nov 12, 2020 23:45
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Gonz posted:McDiarmid's Palpatine is my favorite character in the entire saga. Ian is just so good at that role; easily one of the top 5 antagonists ever, I would argue. In that little clip that got posted, someone said that palpatine is the devil, and McDiarmid absolutely got that and played this larger than life character. He's so good at it that you forget the massive senate scene was probably on a set the size of a living room. Reminded me, weirdly enough, of those old soviet films like Ivan the Terrible, where there is very little subtlety to the performance, since there was a clear line from stage acting to that style of movie acting. PeterWeller posted:McDiarmid is the master of chewing imaginary scenery. He's one of the highlights of every SW movie he's in, even counting his awfully contrived appearance in Rise. UNLIMITED POWERRRRRRRRRRRR! I embarassed about liking that scene as a kid and tried to discount criticism rather than embracing the camp and cheese that is often Star Wars at its best.
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Nov 13, 2020 02:09
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Alchenar posted:It works though because if you are encased in that much makeup you have to over-emote or the camera isn't going to see anything. McDiarmid knows when he needs to bring subtlety (the opera scene) and when he needs to go full ham. Oh yeah, i know why it works, but I used to be one of those people who defended the prequels by going 'no, the silly stuff isn't that silly' while the correct response is 'of course it's silly. The bad guy is satan helped out by dracula to defeat the laser sword wielding space wizards in the past/future.' I did a bit of a run of the star wars knockoffs/cash ins, like Ice Pirates and Space Adventure Cobra. Is there a list of that kind of film? You know, the 'not star wars for legal reasons' type films.
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Nov 14, 2020 00:20
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Payndz posted:I interviewed Prowse years ago in his ratty London gym. Didn't take much for him to start ranting about how he was done out of stardom by Lucas and James Earl Jones. He's a bitter, bitter (Green Cross) man. Isn't he also really right wing these days?
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Nov 15, 2020 04:10
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Mandrel posted:sheev’s final costume just reminded me of blade’s dumbass red lined jacket in blade trinity That was the best part of that film. A low bar, but that was a good costume.
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Nov 16, 2020 01:19
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OctoberCountry posted:Sheev using the force to conjure a stylish new robe out of nowhere is the only time IX got remotely close to doing the character justice I was actually talking about blade's jacket, but yeah, i like both instances. There's actually quite a bit of good production design and costuming in blade 3, an otherwise unredeemable film.
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Nov 16, 2020 03:04
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McCloud posted:First of all, I've seen the footage with Prowse doing the dialogue, it stunk. It was JEJ voice that elevated the role, not Prowse. the other prowse thing that was funny was when he thought he'd been cast as superman, only to discover that he'd been hired as reeve's personal trainer. It's that 'we've found our fallout boy' scene but for real.
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Nov 17, 2020 05:04
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Isometric Bacon posted:It's pretty crazy as an old Star Wars fan who lived through the 'don't so anything with the franchise for 15 years' just how much Star Wars we get now, for better and worse. hey, we got the force unleashed games.
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Nov 18, 2020 01:49
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OctoberCountry posted:Those games weren't very good though neither are the new movies. So I guess it's a wash.
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Nov 18, 2020 03:49
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Gonz posted:Fallen Order is the best Star Wars game since the days of KOTOR, Dark Forces or X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter. apparently fallen order is pretty good, but calling the best star wars games since the last good one is kind of faint praise.
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Nov 18, 2020 03:54
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The United States posted:If you look at the entire history of licensed games, Star Wars games fare better than the average licensed game really Oh Icarus. Dare not fly too high the Rogue Squadron games are great. Wish they were easily available these days.
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Nov 18, 2020 07:44
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galagazombie posted:The amount of Star wars games that aren't just good licensed games, but actually straight up good games, is quite frankly mystifying. No one else has ever really been able to replicate it. probably because the universe is so open, and all the good worldbuilding in it hints at stuff beyond the film but never spells it out. You can, without really inventing anything that isn't in the films, do space combat, FPS's, RPGs, action adventure game, Racing games, Strategy games...probably some other stuff I've forgotten And there's both enough and little enough for each of those that you can just do whatever you want in that genre without contradicting anything in the source material. There's clear hooks but also few restrictions in every one of those categories. We see one Pod race, but have no idea how the sport works in general, so the game developers are free to do whatever works best for the rest of the game By contrast, trying to do that many games in, say, the Marvel universe, which has far more films, would be variants of running around with a single character punching enemies. There's nothing wrong with that genre, but that's the only one you could do. You couldn't pull a rogue squadron and have a game about the SHIELD pilots or whatever. Every Lord of the Rings/hobbit game was a hack and slash RPG. sometimes with more emphasis on the hack and slash, sometimes more on the RPG elements. The only exception was an actually really good RTS that I wish was still available. Also, there's no other single brand that's quite as lucrative and enduring.
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Nov 19, 2020 00:24
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thrawn527 posted:No, but you don't really see any big games based on movies anymore. Especially for Disney owned properties. You'd think the MCU movies would be a potential cash cow for video games, but they only really had the one Avengers game that just came out, and it tries it's hardest to make sure you know it's NOT based on the movies. Ditto for the Spider-Man games. The Arkham Batman games all pull way more from the comics and 90's cartoon show than they do any of the movies. I think it's a combination of game budgets in general absolutely loving ballooning, making matching the film's release schedule even harder than it has always been, video games having their own blockbuster bottleneck issues for big releases and also just games getting pretty drat cinematic themselves, making movie video games and video game movies increasingly redundant.
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Nov 20, 2020 01:09
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Stairmaster posted:Just watch mobile suit gundam you spelled 'legend of galactic heroes' wrong.
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Nov 26, 2020 07:36
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Lampsacus posted:"No Luke Skywalker, I am your father" isn't really the twist boomers make it out to be. It's predictable, dull and I have no respect for it. imo, it's dwarfed by twists like the end of R1 where all the principal characters are killed off and we switch to secondary ones for the last bit. Or the twist in Phantom Menace where Qui Gon dies. That blew my mind as a child. I miss contrarian takes like this.
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Nov 27, 2020 03:14
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Shai-Hulud posted:I don't think i can cram a whole different trilogy in between there. They're not old enough to keep their storys straight after taking a short three movie detour! between two and three
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pospysyl posted:I agree! Ex Machina's definitely above average. I just think that Oscar Isaac's artistic ambitions are overstated based on the movies he made prior to 2014. He's kept making small, interesting movies consistently. The thing is, they're small movies and so inevitably get less attention than the giant blockbusters he's also in.
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Nov 30, 2020 01:10
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Shiroc posted:Its interesting how the myths of Evil George Lucas have slowly expanded over time. Starting from the reasonable "Star Wars was a collaborative effort, not just Lucas" even though he his hands in everything. Moving to the "from a certain point of view" untruths that Lucas barely had anything to do with Star Wars and it was Marcia and the other directors saving it from him. Now we have things that are flatly the opposite of what happened, when Lucas and the big three had a meeting together where he personally got them all to buy in on the idea. My favourite idea about lucas was that he was only interested in money, which was odd given that the prequels are not the sort of films you make if that's true.
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Nov 30, 2020 07:22
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galagazombie posted:I'd like to see an academic explanation for the trends in aesthetics in movies. Is it because theres this one Producer with really bad taste who's demanding everything be so crappy? Is it something to do with the switch to CG encouraging certain (bad) visual styles? The thing is it's not public taste driving it because the public both vocally expresses their distaste for current trend, but also votes with their wallet, buying old style designs over new ones. It's strange because everyone wants the modern style to go away and is willing to give their money to see it happen, but Hollywood seems determined to use unliked designs anyway. what bad visual styles does CGI encourage?
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CelticPredator posted:Flat grey or brown blobs. Those are two very different scenes with very different problems (both are bad) and I can't really see how CGI lead to those problems. George H.W. oval office posted:Speaking of Oscar Isaac. Triple Frontier is a fun romp and answers the question I always had in heist films. How the hell do you get all that money transported when bags of money are heavy as hell?? I loving hated that movie. It kept skipping past all the interesting parts. "We have a long, difficult hike ahead of us" *cuts to the end of the long, difficult hike* It's a movie that's lacking a lot of connective tissue.
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does anyone remember when TROS fell apart in their eyes? For the first half hour or so (I didn't look at my watch, so I'm guessing) it seemed fine, if a little rushed. It was the Chewbacca death fakeout that clearly marks the line between 'an actual film' and 'whatever jumbled notes were left as they jammed scripts together'Kanine posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL6hp8BKB24&t=1s Rocket Jump is loving terrific. I loved his old action shorts and it's cool to see him do other stuff now. Since we're talking about CGI, I've been watching Gangs of London, and holy poo poo it uses CGI blood well. For the longest time, CGI blood was weightless and impactless, while Gangs of London uses it to create the most brutal loving gunfight I've ever seen (If you've watched the show, you know which one I mean) It's a tool. It's like editing, or lighting, or sound. Mediocre craftsmen will use CGI in a mediocre way, really loving clever artists will use it in brilliant ways.
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galagazombie posted:And I'll explain why this is a bad video for the billionth time. He's debating against an argument no one is making, and also straight up wrong about stuff. He says that everyone doesn't realize Iron Man is CG. Dude, god damned everyone knows Iron Man is RDJ's face pasted on a model, It's blatantly obvious. People are though. People described Fury Road as fantastic because they didn't use CG. Because they didn't know they were looking at CG.
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Rob Rockley posted:Beforehand when they brought JJ Abrams back. I thought TFA was alright at the time but the drama about directors and scripts is not a good sign, and I felt it was a warning that the overall sequel trilogy was designed by committee and that the sequel was not going to land it. Also when the Fortnite thing happened. I went in blasted to enhance my enjoyment so that at least me and Ian McDiarmid were having lots of fun. I went in with zero expectations and enjoyed it as a spectacle. See, I was skeptical about Abrams, but the guy can absolutely turn in an entertaining, coherent, albeit unimaginative film. Mission Impossible 3 is really fun, the first Star Trek was fun, as was TFA. None of them are the best entries in their franchise, but I enjoyed all of them before never thinking about them again. TROS is just staggeringly incoherent, falling apart under the weight of rewrites. For a simple example, Finn needs rescuing as the Star destroyer explodes. Poe, with whom he's had a connection over the three films, started when Finn rescued him, leaps to finally return the favour. It's a nice dovetail. But then Lando, who has shared all of two lines with Finn, goes 'No, allow me' and the whole film is essentially that issue write large, redundant scenes and characters, others that aren't connected to anything and don't accomplish anything. It's just a mess.
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Basebf555 posted:For me it was right when they get through the lightspeed skipping and get back to base. Poe has this monologue about how they've detected a message that Palpatine has returned and he's got a massive fleet and blah blah blah and it was just the most contrived, artificial exposition scene ever and I just lost faith in the movie right then and there. I increasingly think that 'endless hordes' or 'impossibly gigantic fleets' are just the worst thing in genre fiction. It makes the battle scenes completely pointless. We're just spinning the wheels until the goodies hit the magic button that turns them all off or kills the necromancer or whatever. So, TROS not only has a gigantic, endless fleet that clearly can't actually be defeated, but also it appears out of the ground via magic. It's the absolute worst of both worlds. A rebellion and first order, both at the end of their strength, having to husband whatever fleet they've got left, would have fed off the end of TLJ better, been a more interesting dynamic and also more fluidly allowed the focus to fall away from that battle to the personal struggles of the characters. It's probably just because I've been playing Homeworld recently. fatherboxx posted:When they loudly proclaimed they need to find a mcguffin oh yeah, and then it's lost or destroyed immediately, but also they find a new one. I'm reading the wikipedia summary and holy poo poo there are so many plot beats that i completely forgot. Just back and forth constantly. They need to find the map to the thing, so they got to a place that gets them the map, then they follow the map, then they get the thing, then they lose the thing, then she goes to another planet, then gets a new example of this things that it kind of feels like she could have got a bit earlier. Human Tornada posted:Has there ever been a case of the "actually everything from the past X movies was Y's secret plan all along" thing worked out or seemed even remotely plausible? It worked when they had Jason Statham's character kill Han at the end of whatever Fast & Furious movie that was but that was only for one scene. It's just so completely ludicrous whenever it's attempted, there's got to be some reason these people keep trying it. It was the point where Spectre fell apart as well. My god Spectre was bad.
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piratepilates posted:Yes. It's not just space battles. It's true of most of the big scenes in the avengers, or any kung fu scene where the hero is just styling on a huge group. There can be some cool poo poo in those scenes, and there often is. But it's hard for the scene to have any flow or structure beyond 'we'll keep fighting until the scene ends.'
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Dec 4, 2020 01:20
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Lampsacus posted:Legend of Galactic Heroes. That's actually a really good example of battle scenes where you understand not only who's winning, but why and how. It actually incorporates the limitations of both sides in every battle. Sure, they can do this, but it causes this. That fight between the two death stars (i know they aren't death stars) is one of the coolest space battles. I don't know if you raised that in answer to my post, apologies if you didn't, but it is a good example of the genre done well, in so many ways.
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Dec 4, 2020 01:31
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AdmiralViscen posted:Pretty sure the entire movie takes place not in a span of days, but 18 hours I was in this thread when someone concluded that the time frame is wonky, most likely, because they changed it during production. The ticking clock (which barely affects the plot) feels like a late addition.
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DeimosRising posted:If there's logistics, there's economics, which means there's politics, and we can't have that. I mean we will anyway but...let's pretend That's probably a big aspect of it. Only villains have endless hordes, while the good guys never have enough stuff. It's something I've noticed in all those lovely WW3 techno thriller novels as well. post USSR Russia can put together a huge army with thousands of tanks off page in five minutes, while the allies have to deal with the consequences of post cold war funding cuts.
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ungulateman posted:yeah i think it's relevant that nearly all the jedi get shot in the back, and die, rather than getting some Valiant Last Stand Against Evil Ki Adi Mundi is the only one who sees it coming and it doesn't make any difference. That's genuinely a great scene.
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Dec 5, 2020 01:12
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Bongo Bill posted:Well, and Yoda and Obi-Wan. Obi Wan is shot in the back and completely blind sided. He survives through pure luck. It's a cool thing that lines up with the Jedi being myopic idiots the rest of the movies.
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LionArcher posted:just rewatched Attack of the Clones last night because of the thread. Boy. Is it just the worst of the 9 by a country mile. Like I get that 9 is the easiest one for the thread and internet to hate. But AOTC is just leagues worse. It has two great things in it. The sound design for the Jango space fight, and the love theme. The Geonosis battle scene is pretty loving great.
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LionArcher posted:Was Qui-Gon wrong though? If he hadn't died wouldn't he have been the perfect teacher for Annie? Remember that Qui Gonn is resisted on every point by the other jedi.
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