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Gonz posted:Maybe he should've just held back on the lightning bolts and done that screaming corkscrew jump poo poo that apparently paralyzed 3 other Jedi masters in the Chancellor's Office. Going with the way the Jedi order is portrayed in the prequels they were paralyzed because he didn't follow proper  and let himself be couped peacefully. Just complete shock at this daring action.
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teagone posted:I mentioned this in the Prequeldome, but there's zero reason Anakin had to be a little kid at the start. Should have just cast Hayden Christensen in TPM. Wouldn't need to change anything else about the character either, keep all his "yippees" and poo poo; the thought of Hayden delivering all of Jake Lloyds lines puts a smile on face, lmao. That would have been great. Darth Vader exists because Anakin was taken as a small child to be indoctrinated into a warrior cult while leaving his still enslaved mother in the desert. The Jedi failed Anakin from the moment they met him and the prequels demonstrate at every opportunity how much they suck. Claming there is zero reason to show this is certainly a take.
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Dec 7, 2020 21:10
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teagone posted:Nothing is lost if you still start with Anakin at age 14/15 instead of age 9. All those same character/story beats you mentioned would have been just as effective, if not more so as a young teen voluntarily going off to fight a war. I'd argue that feels a fair bit more relatable than a little child leaving their home to train and become a warrior monk. 9 years is too young for him to mentally grasp the ramifications of what is going on. He didn't leave, he was taken. Making him older just weakens the point for no apparent reason.
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Dec 7, 2020 22:09
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teagone posted:I disagree. Young teens leaving their home to start their life is super relatable. It can be played as poignant and somber, but also hopeful. That Anakin isn't able to grasp that concept as a young child doesn't really affect the narrative in any meaningful way; he's still leaving his mother of his own volition when given the choice. Qui-Gon didn't forcefully take him, and Shmi explicitly asked Qui-Gon to help give Anakin a better future because she believes he deserves better. If you want, maybe do a slight re-write where teen Anakin promises he'll come back to free his mother and all the slaves on Tatooine after he becomes a Jedi. That's your misunderstanding though, it's not meant to be relatable or hopeful, the way it happens is wrong and traumatic. You could change a lot of things but then it wouldn't be the story the prequels try to tell.
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Dec 7, 2020 23:03
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teagone posted:If the scene is meant to be read as wrong and traumatic, then yeah, I'm misunderstanding the gently caress out of that last goodbye between Anakin and Shmi I guess lol. Williams' score doesn't help; I feel nothing but Anakin being brave enough at that moment to let go of his mother while making a promise to come back and free her. The character trauma for me is him failing to do both of those things, and reinforced when he comes back Tatooine in the midst of his training only to find that his mother is dead. Well just think about it this way: a small child is separated from his mother and promises to return one day to hopefully free her. Certainly a brave declaration by a child. But he has no real power at all so that may take years to decades of her being a slave. But what about the actual people with real power right now, the Jedi order and the government of Naboo? Certainly time is pressing in the moment but they could have easily bought her out afterwards, just as she was later freed by Cliegg Lars. But the Jedi order doesn't care about relatives of their warriors and thinks emotional attachment is a weakness. Naboo (and Padme)) doesn't think it worth to thank their saviour because they suck. The situation is wrong and traumatic because it would not have had to happen if the people with actual power and agency cared even a little bit.
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Dec 7, 2020 23:32
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I think in general people misremember the role the Jedi have in the OT and have trouble accepting them to have always sucked/be wrong in the prequels. In empire Yoda tries the "too old" to be successfully indoctrinated into the Jedi as well. They even want to give him up on his friends/attachments to have more time to train Luke to kill Vader (lying by omission about who he really is). Only by Luke refuting them and their ideology, sparing Vader and believing in him to the end did he win. The Jedi were wrong. Just as they are wrong at every step in the prequels.
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Dec 8, 2020 00:22
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Elfgames posted:nope. wrong. By clinging to his attachments luke puts himself in danger for no reason and no gain. and only by letting go of his attachment to his father does luke allow vader to achieve peace. RotJ Yoda: "Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny." RotJ Obi-Wan when Luke teils him there is good in Vader: "He's more machine now than man. Twisted and evil." Luke says he can't kill his father: "Then the Emperor has already won. You were our only hope." Luke believes during the movie that Vader can be saved. He even mentions this directly to Vader when he surrenders to him. He only starts to believe this after the revelation who is behind the mask, a fact he only learned because he defied the Jedi in Empire. The Jedi do not believe that Vader can still be redeemed. Luke is right and they are wrong.
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Dec 8, 2020 15:13
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I wonder if Disney is pushing this CGI mask poo poo to break actors negotiating powers. They could just casts regular actors and say "this person is luke skywalker" like it has been done since forever.
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Dec 19, 2020 01:43
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There is no bigger fish than Sheev, everything in the movies leads back to him. At the end of the universe you will still hear him cackling.
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Feb 23, 2021 03:44
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Well the speculation was also fueled by the vision Rey had when she received Luke's old lightsaber. "That surely has to mean she is somehow important?!?!?!" It is a problem most large franchises run into sooner or later when every character has to be connected to the larger plot and can't be allowed to just exist. Did you know one of the cantina players was the former business partner of Watto's third cousin???? In effect it just makes the world very small.
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Mar 1, 2021 17:15
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People should not confuse imagery and ideology, the FO may borrow Nazi imagery but the ideology does not resemble Nazi Germany other than the most surface level look. Hell, the usage of black people in the war as disposable foot soldiers while the upper echelons are reserved for white people is more reminiscent of the USA or the British empire.
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Mar 4, 2021 02:28
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They probably thought of the force as an outdated concept that has no place in the empire rather than not knowing about Jedi powers in general? The clone wars were like what, 20 years ago?
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multijoe posted:It's silly because the moral you're claiming is not reflected in the events depicted in the film. Finn has no other options, he's not going out his way to seek death but to the best of his or anyone else's knowledge there the only way to 'save what he loves' is to destroy the loving laser. Rose's intervention is based on a blind belief that a deus ex machina will bail them out of their predicament, luckily for her she is right but no one in the base even knew Rey was coming, let alone she'd have the means to save them. They are still trapped with an army outside their door and the galaxy not caring. Destroying the laser (if it actually would have worked which is not a sure thing) would not have changed their situation.
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There is that line from Padme about democracy dying with applause but that is only from her liberal viewpoint. At that point the only thing seperating the republic from the empire is a rebranding. AOTC ends with stormtroopers boarding star destroyers while imperial march is playing. Subtlety is for cowards.
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Mar 15, 2021 08:10
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The scene where the first order flagship jumps in but it is actually just snoke.
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May 10, 2021 11:20
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Both Yoda and Obi Wan had encountered and deflected force lightning so it kind of is a dick move that they never bothered to tell Luke. Obi Wan is so insistent on Luke killing Vader but apparently his master plan is then letting him be killed by Sheev.
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Aug 19, 2021 06:27
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Since g forces don't apply for the space crafts you could do some pretty crazy maneuvers with the cables by swinging around on terrain
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Nov 28, 2021 23:18
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In 30 years there will be enough star wars content that Obi wan and Vader had a duel every week between episode 3 and 4 and also biweekly karaoke night Quality of the show aside whoever thought a rematch Made even the slightest thematical sense is a hack. Can't wait for the Yoda series where he will train 30 padawan and kill a sheev clone or whatever
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May 28, 2022 22:57
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Kemper Boyd posted:I recently rewatched Ep2 and 3 (can't really bother with TPM), and I have to say that AotC is somehow worse than I remembered it. This is what cinemasins style reading of movies does to a person
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May 29, 2022 16:33
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One of the funniest sequences in ep9 is when they mow down dozens of stormtroopers while fleeing from the Star Destroyer like some sort of shooting gallery
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Jun 14, 2022 10:20
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Wolfsheim posted:I kinda thought the 'dead jedi trophy hall' from obi wan was a way to kinda test the waters, like "maybe some of these guys weren't killed, just wounded? maybe we bring them back if people like that idea?" It is ready player one style of referencing other works. Instead of making a reference you just point at a thing and yell "look, it is some thing you (maybe) know" and then guys on YouTube can make 100 videos listing "easter eggs"
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Jul 1, 2022 06:07
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Yeah I've read the novel as a kid and there is both emperor Palpatine and Vader being burned by lava
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Jul 20, 2022 21:33
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In the scene where Anakin burns Obi Wan has to literally look away because he can't watch him die. But he did not hesitate for a second to actually cut him down mid jump. In his mind Anakin will burn to death, not foreseeing Palpatine's actions has been a theme since episode 1. The scene is fine. Obi Wan TV just has him leave because they have already a scheduled duel in ANH.
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Jul 21, 2022 16:26
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Han tried to cheat by both being stabbed in the stomach and falling down a bottomless hole for guaranteed survival but unfortunately both methods cancelled each other out
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Jul 22, 2022 16:17
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The best thing is that it didn't point to the secret compartment in deck's 10 janitor closet or anything, the loving throne room is the most obvious place even without the stupid dagger
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Most people tend to forget that Dooku straight up told Obi Wan that the republic is controlled by the Sith lord Darth Sidious and asked him to fight together against the Sith in AOTC. Obi Wan shrugs it off. In AOTC there is also a scene where Mace and Yoda discuss confessing to the senate that they don't know poo poo about what is going on only to agree to keep it secret less they would lose political power. Anyone who does not understand that the fall of the Jedi order is as much on the Jedi as on Sheev was not paying attention
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Jun 2, 2023 11:05
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They didn't even nail Palpatine over treason against the republic (by also helping the separatists) but for being a Sith lord. Is it against republic law to be a Sith? Kind of like how KOTOR 2 reframes the Revan conflict as the Jedi civil war since to the general public it would be like the 30 year war, different sects of the same religion.
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Sep 7, 2023 14:26
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Xenomrph posted:Final Destination - the test audiences wanted one thing, the studio said “nah let’s ignore the test audiences”, the studio ended up being right and the movie was a big hit. Listening to the test audiences would still be doing the movie by committee though
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Sep 13, 2023 06:33
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Glottis posted:He's still force sensitive, just in that wistfully gazing off into the distance and "knowing" things way, not the fun telekinesis or lightning bolts way Using the force to yell "REY!!!" louder than humanly possible
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Nov 19, 2023 00:33
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With all the strange criticism that the prequels look like video games, nothing will ever top them running through the ship gunning down stormtroopers like an Uncharted game in rise of skywalker.
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Dec 21, 2023 17:29
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The republic and their mob enforcers are shown to be rotten before the events of episode 1
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Qui gon and Obi wan are also incredibly bigoted in tpm so jar jar and Anakin exist as a foil to that. Jar jar's support in ep1 is vital to the plot and they treat him like dirt for it
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May 8, 2024 00:18
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I mean plenty of large apartment buildings have a shelter-in-place policy because it is often better to wait for rescue than trying to navigate a smoke filled stairway. They usually don't require you to go into a panic closet though.
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May 20, 2024 18:19
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There's also "He's more machine now than man" in VI, the original trilogy is clear enough that the suit is necessary life support
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Oct 1, 2024 10:59
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Why is she holding an active lightsaber like that, is she about to chop her leg off?
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Oct 25, 2024 10:56
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Grievous in the movie also plainly sucks at using lightsabers - in the sense that while you can use a LMG to shoot skeet it is kind of missing the point
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Apr 14, 2025 12:38
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You can pretend to be in a debate club all you want, in the end you will not complete the challenge since you know what the reaction will be, real person or not.
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Apr 16, 2025 00:01
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The battle droid grafted onto C3PO could direct the body to attack while C3PO grafted onto the battle droid couldn't stop the body from attacking so there seems to be still some level of control going on
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Apr 18, 2025 11:59
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While Palpatine stoked the flames for the separatist movement this is not really him puppetering everything - hundred of systems seceded because the republic just sucks as shown in Ep1. So the war is both his means of grabbing more power and also making sure that there is an army that can keep the systems in line against growing resentment. It is also implied that the driving force behind actually killing Padme is Nute Gunray though Palpatine certainly wouldn't mind her gone in AOTC.
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Mandrel posted:AotC has such a great summary of the Jedi's downfall with that scene where Dooku straight up tells Obi-Wan the entire plan and Obi-Wan is just like whatever dude you're loving lying I'd know if that was happening For me even more telling that the Jedi have lost the plot is this exchange AOTC posted:Yoda: Blind we are, of creation of this clone army we could not see.
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