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Onmi posted:Oh, by the way, I feel the need to clear up something, no, the Death Star Destroyers are not all powered by miniaturized Death Star Tech they had all the way back in Return of the Jedi, that would be silly. No, they're Death Star Equivalent cannons all powered by Sheev-energy. So yes, Sheev has the power to destroy planets. That said I did sortof enjoy the absurd late DBZ style power creeping, I guess it's just where executive meddling takes you
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Yeah in the films I feel Jedi and Sith are always presented as very powerful fighters who inspire loyalty and/or fear with their incredible deeds, but not as people who can singlehandedly destroy an army or disable a fleet with brute force. TLJ actually plays that up with the 'lifting rocks' thing so going the opposite direction in this film was weird.
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You also have to stand in that exact spot for it to work.
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Another thing that confused me about the wayfinder was that Ren destroyed the Emperor's so that Rey would be forced to travel with him. So why was she surprised to learn that he had another one later? Wasn't that explicitly established?
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Onmi posted:You know gravity isn't infinite right? There's a limit to how much force is exerted by a planetary body? They're not close enough to that planet for the bombs to be caught in a gravity well
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It seems pretty unclear to me who's supposed to be in charge now, especially given that Rey hosed off to Tattooine. Probably going to be a hell of a civil war right after that orgy.
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There's actually no genetic significance to Rey and Ren being related to Palpatine, he just remotely force-impregnated so many women he was bound to sire a couple of Chosen Ones.
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2house2fly posted:TLJ had two characters in charge of the First Order who hate each other, two other characters with a romantic connection and an open channel of communication who were on opposite sides of a war, and the good guys were firm underdogs with potentially powerful allies in the struggle against tyranny. If JJ Abrams couldn't figure out any way to get an interesting story out of that, that's kind of on him
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The completely pointless training scene was a pretty funny example of how reactive this film was.
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TulliusCicero posted:Is it wierd that I think Rey killing a character through inadvertent anger could have worked as a plot device? Her self-exile scene on Luke's Island, and even lashing out at Ben when he dropped his guard, would have made a hell of a lot more sense if she actually had some bad things accidentally, and not know that Chewie was alive 10 minutes loving later
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The old republic didn't have any significant military power until the Clone Wars. I can believe that there'd be a lot of political resistance to raising an army to fight an (apparently fairly small) internal threat in the new republic given how that ended up last time. This should've been mentioned in TFA though.
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I think Fisher gave a good performance in TLJ and I'm glad it was left intact. What TROS did with her was a travesty though.
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Leia would be moving along with it at the same speed, you don't instantly 'stop' when you leave a moving vehicle. The complaints about the scene are weird to me. If you can use the force on yourself to jump then can't you equally use it on yourself to move a short distance through space. TLJ's new applications of the force were logical extensions of previous uses we've seen.
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Yeah. I was disappointed to see them canning the Obi Wan film but this will probably be better.
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In mine it rolls the credits after Rey murders Chewbacca.
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Gatts posted:Yeeeessss turn to hate, let the seed of anger grow....let the Star Wars fans turn on Disney and use them to fight the MCU and their fans and bring Disney down....yeeesssss....let it be humbled from within
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I really don't rate the prequels at all but I'd still put them all above TROS without hesitation. TROS spectacularly fails on a basic storytelling level in a way that few major blockbusters manage
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It wasn't a strange thing for Luke to do but I do think it was a really bad way to conclude The Mandalorian (or at least the story arc the first two seasons were about). Just have a much more powerful guy show up and effortlessly sweep aside the problem. Our hero's efforts were pointless.
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I assumed that'd be the Kenobi series.
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Bold strategy to pivot to making good films, instead of bad ones. Time will tell if this pans out
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I liked Mandalorian's very cowboy/samurai film inspired storylines and its focus on action. Kindof a return to Star War's roots in a way. The wider lore stuff in season 2 wasn't great though and I really hated the ending, I doubt they'll do anything like Mandalorian s1 again. e: thinking about it I basically just wanted it to continue being Samurai Jack Irony Be My Shield fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Feb 21, 2021 |
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I can see a US political reading in TLJ but I definitely don't read it as pro-Hillary. We see that the New Republic had failed to improve people's lives during their time in power and that's why nobody answers the call to come help them.
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Luke showing up was particularly bad but I think having a force user show up and just effortlessly slaughter the series' biggest enemy made the entire thing feel very pointless. Like what have the heroes been fighting for? Just buying time until Luke felt like showing up?
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The first hour or so of the film really feels like a series of unrelated scenes.
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euphronius posted:a lot of media is that simple if you reduce it into tropes.com slang
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I didn't really see S2 of Mandalorian is a reaction to TRoS in any way (although the ending seems like another bad reaction to TLJ criticism). It seemed like a more standard case of greed, where they wanted to spinoff 4 new shows from their successful show in the hope that they'd be equally popular.
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Jewmanji posted:There’s really nothing democratic about Palpatine. I get what you’re going for but from the very get go he was installed under very shady circumstances and then used emergency declarations to assume greater power and stayed beyond his term of office.
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Kylo's reveal is important to Rey because he says that her parents aren't coming back for her, and never intended to.
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If Finn had killed himself to take out the laser the only difference in the outcome of the film would be Finn's death.
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I think there's a clear throughline for all of these scenes - the First Order will not be defeated by trading military hardware with them. Poe sacrificing the Resistance's bomber fleet did not stop their advance, Holdo ramming the flagship did not stop it, Finn's attempted sacrifice wouldn't have worked either. This is pretty clear from a literal perspective - it's a bad idea to trade resources with a foe who has you outnumbered, you'll be whittled down to nothing while they still have stuff left. But I think it also speaks to a wider flaw in the resistance approach, where they're just locked in an endless battle with the FO and not achieving anything other than enriching arms dealers. To win they need to actually help the people they claim they're fighting for and inspire them - this is the true power of the Jedi. TRoS tries to distance itself from TLJ in many ways but ordinary people turning up to save the day against an otherwise insurmountable foe is a (very stupid) vindication of this theme.
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Holdo knew that her plan relied heavily on the FO not knowing about it and that there was the possibility of the plan being leaked (it was, as it turns out), so it made sense that she didn't want to tell anyone the plan until the last moment. But I do get why Poe got antsy from not knowing. It's a good conflict, both sides are understandable and it's not really easy to say who's to blame. Certainly things would've gone better if one of the two had compromised, but who do you think had the obligation to do so?
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I think it's OK for a film to have conflicts with no obviously correct side. You don't always need to be told what to think - I find the 'was it Luke or Ren that was right' conversation that frequently recurs here genuinely interesting.
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If TLJ is to be read as an analogy for contemporary US politics then it is very clearly critical of liberals.
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I don't think she suspects that he himself is a spy, rather she thinks (completely correctly as it turns out) that he'll tell a lot of other people about the plan potentially including spies.
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I don't think Poe is a dumbass exactly but he clearly has a very different view frok Holdo regarding how much you should tell your subordinates about upcoming operations. e: and while Holdo does turn out to be right I do think it's an interesting question whether it's enough to just be right and it's on other people to realize you're right, or whether you also have a responsibility to gain other people's trust so that they realize you're right. Just one of the many interesting questions raised by this cool film Irony Be My Shield fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Mar 12, 2021 |
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Mad at the murder mystery film for having a twist
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"Smart character acts dumb to get others to lower their guard" is barely even a twist. The "subverting expectations" meme must be killed.
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The exit surveys for TLJ were basically the same as they were for TFA and Rogue One, there was just a very vigorous online campaign against it. I don't think this was entirely politically motivated but it's easy to skew non-controlled online polls if the people who dislike a film are more online and passionate. e: by contrast TRoS did worse than the other sequels and even the prequels Irony Be My Shield fucked around with this message at 13:02 on Apr 3, 2021 |
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e: wrong thread. Wiki does think it's all the same Goldstein family but I don't know why.
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No Mods No Masters posted:I guess the problem with it is "how do we deal with the arms dealers" completely hijacks the story from that point, and that's a story disney would never ever do. I'm not sure if anyone here ever watched legend of galactic heroes, I only began it, but a lot of things about the canto bight/arms dealer scenario remind me in a scuffed way of the setup of phezzan in that universe, almost approaching conspicuously so. If anyone has watched such anime it's surely rian
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