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Covok posted:
There is no need to defend "enjoyment" of a work against charges of box office failure. What matters is the merit of the work in question.
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May 28, 2018 00:03
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Who cares? My entertainment -- though I was mostly neutral on this -- isn't based on box office performance. If that were the case, I'd hate a lot of my favorite movies.
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Kylo Ren successfully seducing Rey is the greatest taboo possible in these movies. The Last Jedi shows it as a prospect as unimaginable as Luke Skywalker joining with Darth Vader.
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Jun 10, 2018 16:14
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CelticPredator posted:To belong somewhere. That's a platitude. She already belonged somewhere (Jakku), now she's just generically opposed to Bad Guys.
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Jun 10, 2018 20:01
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CelticPredator posted:Rian Johnson owns and directed the two best Breaking Bad episodes of the entire run. Damned by faint praise.
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Jun 17, 2018 11:04
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aBagorn posted:I was completely exhausted at this panel and like half falling asleep once I sat down. Not so much "like" but "because I am", I gather.
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Jul 1, 2018 18:08
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Vinylshadow posted:Redo the start and Naboo sections of AotC to tone down Anakin's creep factor Why?
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Jul 6, 2018 16:32
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Lando hasn't been seen with the Resistance because he's a Snoke voter.
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Jul 10, 2018 09:16
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"toxic masculinity"
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Aug 22, 2018 19:55
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Q. Did you ever find yourself having to reign [Gerard Butler] in at all, because he’s quite crazy really? Zack Snyder: He is a bit of a psycho but that’s consistent with the way Frank sees him. He’s not a guy you want to be friends with. In a normal movie the audience is supposed to see the hero and say: “That’s me! I’m fighting!” But I really tried from the beginning of this movie to say: “You’re not the Spartans. They throw their kids off a cliff. They beat them. Their morality is completely insane…” It was also part of the fun of making it – to suck you in and make you think you’re a Spartan and then showing you something they do that’s completely morally the opposite to what you’d do as a modern person. Goons: less sense for irony than Zack Snyder, director of 300.
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Aug 22, 2018 22:58
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remusclaw posted:If you were to make 300 earnestly, as a propaganda piece, aggrandizing everything the Spartans do and going out of your way to make Persians and disabled people into inhuman caricatures, what would you do differently? 300 is very literally a movie about a guy telling propaganda to soldiers before battle. He's simply good at what he does, which is why the Spartans appear appealing despite their monstrousness. e: galagazombie posted:It's like you people don't remember that killing people with birth defects and believing it was cool and necessary to make themselves "badass" is not something real-world fascists believe and have literally done. Thinking 300 is not sincere is like thinking The Birth of a Nation is a satirical call for equal rights and the inherent dignity of all men. So the problem is that... a movie about Spartans illustrates Spartan mindset?
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Aug 22, 2018 23:05
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What we're seeing is pepole accurately identifying that the Spartans as portrayed by 300 are bad when you get down to it, but then arguing that the movie can't meant that because of some nebulous "sincerity" that leads fascists to enjoy the movie or something.
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Aug 22, 2018 23:10
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remusclaw posted:Zach Snyder is good at what he does if what he wanted to do was appeal to that mindset, and he is bad at what he does if he was going for satire, because the people who are totally down for eating babies took his modest proposal seriously. Your argument is that Zack Snyder is bad because viewers misinterpret his movies. In other words, you're saying that Zack Snyder is too smart for audiences.
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Aug 22, 2018 23:22
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remusclaw posted:We have, in the movie, an example of why baby pits are good in the traitor who avoided said pit and doomed the Spartans. We have, in the movie, an example of why peace pushing civilian politicians are just traitors looking to sell you out for money. The pedophilia ridden Spartans get to be all smug about the boy loving Athenians and it never comes up that they are hypocrites in that regard. The slave holding Spartans get to crow about freedom, and it never comes up that they even own slaves. What we don't have? Any positive examples of non Spartans. So the movie is non-satirical because 1. The Spartans are destroyed by someone they mistreat. 2. The Spartans portray a peacemaker as a traitor. 3. The Spartans are hypocrites about pederasty. 4. The Spartans are hypocrites about slavery. All adding up to "the Spartans are bad, therefore the movie is not satire". Also, Xerxes is an exemplary non-Spartan figure. kidkissinger posted:Here's Syder responding to a question about the film being racist: Yeah, he's right. Trying to frame the ludicrous fantasy in those terms is misguided.
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Aug 22, 2018 23:33
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The next Star Wars will be 300, but Xerxes will dress in a Han Shot First t-shirt and slip on a banana peel. My source on this has been correct about everything else so far. e: remusclaw posted:The movie is non-satirical because all of that requires extra reading beyond the movie to get, because none of it is even slightly touched on in the movie. The movie is bad because... you need education to fully get it?
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Aug 22, 2018 23:39
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remusclaw posted:Oh, you just playing. Sorry bud, you had me. You're arguing that the movie doesn't work as a satire because audiences won't be aware that Spartans were actually pederasts and slavers, and thus miss their hypocrisy. You're quite straight-forwardly saying that the movie is too smart for audiences. "Extra reading" is just a synonym for education.
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Aug 22, 2018 23:44
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remusclaw posted:By this logic the less context given in any work the smarter it is. I feel movies should generally stand on their own. Opinions may differ. Well that is merely what you "feel". In reality films do not stand their own, because no text can stand on its own. For example, to watch 300 you have to know history and documentation of war to understand that you're watching a fantasy rather than the reality.
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Aug 23, 2018 00:00
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remusclaw posted:Uh, Nazi's. Like, un-ironically. They had euthanasia programs for children with disabilities. As for kids fighting each other, I mean I had brothers. We did that regardless of whether it was approved of or not, and yeah, in a warrior society, that doesn't even come across odd at all. People gonna train from a young age in a martial society, that doesn't even raise an eyebrow. Now you've simply drifted into conspiracy theory. For whom is it convenient to read a movie as a satirical? Is legitimizing Snyder's movie a crypto-Fascist plot? The introduction of the Bush years to this whole discussion is certainly insightful. There's an unappreciated bit in The Death of the Author where Barthes notes that in interpretation, "history" and "society" are just synonyms for the Author who people try to find "beneath" the text. Thus you're arguing that any satirical qualities in the movie are just superficial, and beneath the surface is the Author, who varies between Jock Snyder, Eternal Fascism, and the Bush Administration.
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Aug 23, 2018 00:14
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remusclaw posted:Nah, just Snyder, who would like to work without being outwardly seen as politically wrongheaded and whoever likes his work, for the sake of well, evangelizing why they like his work. Snyder was pointing out 300's satire when it came out. And people who like his work are trying to legitimize it in some kind of crypto-Fascist plot? What are you talking about? It's not like Snyder is trying to drum interest in the movie in 2018, because it was already successful years ago. You are suggesting a very weird conspiracy theory where Zack Snyder and his admirers are trying to reinvent it as satire fifteen years later. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 08:51 on Aug 23, 2018 |
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Aug 23, 2018 08:42
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Star Wars, except that the Empire has an actually cool aesthetic
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Aug 23, 2018 09:26
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kidkissinger posted:I have not found a single quote from him that suggests this is the case. BravestOfTheLamps posted:Q. Did you ever find yourself having to reign [Gerard Butler] in at all, because he’s quite crazy really?
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Aug 23, 2018 12:52
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I can only hope for more intoxicating masculinity in movies. Harrow posted:Though I will say that I never get tired of reading arguments that the only reason someone wouldn't like Zack Snyder films is if they're too uneducated or stupid to get it. The only people who make those arguments are people who don't like Zack Snyder films. For example, there was one goon in another thread who heavily criticized Snyder for using obscure Christians symbols, because Christianity is an irrelevant religion and only a tiny minority of people will understand the allusions. And by "obscure Christian symbols," he meant stuff like stained glass Jesus. He genuinely considered it too highbrow for general audiences. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Aug 24, 2018 |
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Aug 24, 2018 00:28
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The entire plot hinges on one character. They do not matter.
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Aug 25, 2018 21:38
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I sympathize with bushism.txt's roundabout argument that the original movies are bad too, even if their particular points are silly.
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Aug 27, 2018 21:54
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I perfectly understand, though. A central character in the story has no character, but the originals did the same. They're pretty bad.
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Aug 27, 2018 21:59
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bushisms.txt posted:Knowing where a character got power isn't a characteristic. We know everything we need to about the characters from the movie. This is a universe where people get power from God. Of course it's a character trait. Like it says a lot about Star Wars fan that they desensitize themselves to the implications of divine power.
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Aug 27, 2018 22:20
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Zoran posted:To me, this seems like one of those wild misunderstandings that nevertheless penetrated popular culture. Yes, Luke and Leia do turn out to inherit Anakin Skywalker's strength in the Force. In a typical fantasy, this would mean they have a divine right to rule, and the usurper king must be dethroned because he's illegitimate. Instead, Leia becomes a revolutionary—although she starts as an upper-class liberal snob—who opposes the Empire because it's fascist. Luke throws away all his worldly power, refuses to become what his father is, and in so doing inspires Vader to destroy evil. The father dies to redeem the galaxy because the son was willing to do it first. Leia is a revolutionary because she's an artiscorat. She wants to restore power to the Senate.
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Aug 28, 2018 07:53
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Zoran posted:That’s obviously what she is in A New Hope. By the time of Return of the Jedi, my read is that she is radicalized. Jabba is her mirror image, since he's really nothing more than another aristocrat on a different world. She is enslaved by this figure, and then she kills him with his own tool of oppression. You're doing the same mistake as many fans in that you really want Star Wars to be a leftist parable but trip up on the basics. Like the Rebels aren't leftists. Their goal is to restore a golden age of nobles and knights destroyed by the Empire ("a more civilized age"). They're not trying overthrow capitalism or whatever. They're romantic conservatives, as opposed to Empire's quasi-fascist modernity. Misreading the original trilogy as a progressive story is what leads to stuff like the Sequel Trilogy, which tries to affect progressive politics while at the same time avoiding any politics. The government is destroyed and nobody cares. Arms dealers are evil, but that's just a bad impression of a political stance.
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Aug 28, 2018 08:31
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Zoran posted:My point is that these things change. We don’t ever get a clear picture of the entire Rebellion's ideology, so we can only rely on what we see in the main characters as proxies. Luke ultimately rejects Obi-Wan's goals. Leia gives up the trappings of aristocracy. Han throws away his livelihood for the cause, even when given multiple chances to run away and start up his independent business again. Again, you trip up on the basics. The characters never stop trying to restore "a more civilized age". The fact that they dress differently doesn't mean a thing if they're still doing the same thing as before. Zoran posted:Nobody really gets into this Rebellion for completely selfless reasons, and yet they grow into much better people because of it. And the Rebellion, for its part, becomes a multi-racial coalition that actually does liberate oppressed peoples. Teddy bears are not an oppressed people.
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Aug 28, 2018 09:01
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Preston Waters posted:Snoke's death was pretty much just a response to all fan speculators on youtube (eg, "IS SNOKE MACE WINDU??!"). It was Rian Johnson screeching the car to a halt and scolding us for being little brats for asking the wrong questions. That you think of Rian Johnson as your father explains a lot.
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Aug 28, 2018 12:56
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bushisms.txt posted:Both her and kylo hold on to totems of the OT, and kylo is mad hes not the badass he's "supposed to be"(just ask the "hardcore"fans) despite following all the guidelines an uber nerd of the canon has given him. Ah, the "It's about Star Wars itself!" school of criticism. Kylo Ren isn't angry because he's not an insecure Star Wars fan. He's angry because he's a religious warrior whose own family planned to murder him in his sleep.
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Aug 28, 2018 15:47
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bushisms.txt posted:It's both. Kylo Ren isn't a Star Wars fan. There's no Star Wars franchise that exists within the world of the story for him to be a fan of.
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Aug 28, 2018 16:06
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Luke used to be a huge Anakin fan, but turned into an angry bitter fanboy when he found out the truth.
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Aug 28, 2018 16:13
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bushisms.txt posted:
Your evidence for a character being a fan of a hypothetical pop culture franchise within the world of Star Wars is... someone modelling a toy after a space pilot? Like, if someone had a toy soldier, they'd be a Sharpe fan?
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Aug 28, 2018 16:27
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bushisms.txt posted:And now you're saying fandom requires purchasing of official merchandise. You'd fit right in at gamefaqs. You seem to be very confused. You're claiming that a doll modelled after a space pilot is evidence that Star Wars is a set of movies within the Star Wars universe, because it's official merchandise. A doll that someone appears to have cobbled together in their spare time, out of random trash they had at hand. I think you just might be a bit dumb.
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Aug 28, 2018 16:38
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"The Last Jedi is an unappreciated gem unfairly maligned and slandered by liars! I can't believe you're so mad about it!"
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Nov 6, 2018 10:14
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:but if the republic is trump i thought snoke was trump??? Everything is Trump. You think that's air you're breathing?
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Dec 30, 2018 17:01
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It was incredibly brave and subversive when the heroes of The Last Jedi prioritized their bullshit mission over ending slavery.
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Jan 4, 2019 06:48
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The your mom jokes in TLJ are good and there should be more.
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False. Captain Mical will be Hux's old flame, throwing a wrench into his sadomasochistic relationship with Kylo Ren.
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