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Return Of The Jedi is two short movies sort of smushed together and it sags extremely boringly in the middle. The big final battle is still my favourite Star Wars bit though
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Gaunab posted:That whole part was so stupid. Why do the bombers move so slow? Why are there even bombers in space; there's no gravity. In the scene where the bombers attack the dreadnaught, it you look closely you will see a large greenish object in the background. Without getting too technical, it's this object which allows the bombs to work. I actually have a screenshot where the object is visible, see if you can spot it: 
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Dec 23, 2019 13:03
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Onmi posted:You know gravity isn't infinite right? There's a limit to how much force is exerted by a planetary body? They're not close enough to that planet for the bombs to be caught in a gravity well A fun experiment you can do here to back this assertion up is to google the phrase "is gravity infinite"
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Dec 23, 2019 13:25
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moist turtleneck posted:What if the bombers give a little nudge when the bombs come out so they continue in one direction, in this case the Down Direction They don't need to give them a nudge, spaceships in Star Wars have artificial gravity inside
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Dec 23, 2019 16:38
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CODChimera posted:Maybe they would've had more luck if they used Y-wings and not those giant paper sloths
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Dec 23, 2019 16:43
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The real bit of the bomber run that's bullshit is that Poe flies around the dreadnaught shooting the surface cannons, then Leia says "you did it, now let's go" even though... Poe hasn't actually done anything yet. The only point to destroying the cannons is to soften the target up for the bombers. If he'd destroyed the main gun, that'd be worth a "you did it" but he doesn't even try to do that. Maybe when they say "he'll never penetrate our armour" they mean the main gun is too heavily armoured for him to destroy it?
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Dec 23, 2019 16:56
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Bleck posted:I wish I could say I was baffled by how many people I've seen crawling outta the woodwork to defend the weird incest but I look at porn sites enough to know what white folks are into It's really only incest in a very specifically technical way, but tbf that pretty much tracks with the porn sites
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Dec 23, 2019 17:55
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Chewie getting his medal 9 movies and 40+ years later reminds me of the last Metal Gear game, an 80 million dollar game that almost bankrupted Konami where the ending is revealed to be a retcon fix for a plot hole in an NES game lmfao PJOmega posted:They have Y-Wings, and Y-Wings are old tanky SOBs.
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Dec 23, 2019 17:59
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I think "never" is too strong but it definitely wasn't a big thing. The "not to me" line in TLJ is like the single most caring thing anyone says to her in the whole trilogy. And even then he was trying to turn her to the dark side by convincing her nobody else could possibly care about her. There was definitely some tension going on when they were Force skyping before that tho
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Dec 23, 2019 18:13
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I like Poe's friend in TLJ, the alien with a deep voice who just says "gope? No ka" occasionally. Wish he'd had some more stuff to do
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Dec 23, 2019 18:18
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The titty aliens on the beach were good designs, I thought. The porgs and crystal foxes were cute but I don't know that they were really imaginative or creative
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Dec 23, 2019 18:32
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The throne room was never really a throne room, it was just some unused room with a view where they installed a swivel chair
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Dec 23, 2019 19:04
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barkbell posted:Why do the new movies and this one in particular treat droids like people. I don't remember 3p0 and r2 being treated much more than a favorite car or toaster. They had human-like emotions and banter but that was for the audience to hear because the main characters just ignored it. Now 3p0 has to sacrifice himself but it really doesn't matter because it's a machine and can just be repaired like he has in every other movie he gets dismantled. Maybe the characters are realising that droids have been people all along
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Dec 23, 2019 19:13
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"Even soldiers?"
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Dec 23, 2019 19:30
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barkbell posted:so why the change in reaction when 3p0 is going to have to reformat his hard drive and get restored from backup A lot of the characters in that scene are different people from the characters in The Empire Strikes Back
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Dec 23, 2019 19:55
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dex_sda posted:"[Johnson] left Abrams with a pile of straw, and Abrams managed to turn it into aluminum. It's not good, but at least it's recyclable." It's cool that people seem to believe both a) that literally nothing of note happened in TLJ, and b) TLJ closed off every possible interesting story that could be told in the setting
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Dec 23, 2019 22:59
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General Dog posted:I don't think it's much of a stretch believe someone would want to have sex with an old ugly dude like Palpatine when he's the most powerful man in the galaxy. I don't like to be indelicate, but it is worth mentioning that Palpatine siring children doesn't require anyone to want to have sex with him...
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Dec 23, 2019 23:58
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I guess I'm too attached to the heroic narrative; I like that Luke faces down the bad guy and Rey saves her friends at the end. I think ending with one of the heroes possibly considering killing the others would be a bit of a downer, though admittedly the prequels did make space for that kind of thing in terms of what Star Wars "is"
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Dec 24, 2019 00:15
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TLJ had two characters in charge of the First Order who hate each other, two other characters with a romantic connection and an open channel of communication who were on opposite sides of a war, and the good guys were firm underdogs with potentially powerful allies in the struggle against tyranny. If JJ Abrams couldn't figure out any way to get an interesting story out of that, that's kind of on him
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Dec 24, 2019 00:49
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Ingmar terdman posted:Kinda funny that the gold lightsaber is supposed to be this big moment when its counterpart in rotj is just a completely incidental moment from the start of the film Lightsabers being like sacred weapons is annoying to me. Remember at the end of ROTJ when Luke said "I am a Jedi" and THREW HIS LIGHTSABER AWAY
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Dec 24, 2019 02:41
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Lilikoi posted:Rian Johnson is not more powerful than Disney. You can't tell me Disney didn't have suits on set watching the dailies of their billion dollar franchise and who were not ok with what was going on. They're completely fine with firing directions mid-production, which makes me think they were cool with what TLJ was becoming and then the backlash had them scrambling to change things. Blaming Johnson makes it seem like he just dropped the movie on their laps one day. Hadn't they announced he was going to be making a whole trilogy before TLJ even came out? It seems a lot like they were sure it'd be a smash
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Dec 24, 2019 02:50
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TulliusCicero posted:I'm still absolutely convinced some MAJOR fuckery happened post production TLJ, because the editing and pacing in that film is loving bizarre, and the ending is just I don't think even the stupid evil fraud hack from hell Rian Johnson could have possibly set out to have a scene where Leia congratulates Poe before Poe has actually done anything
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Dec 24, 2019 02:59
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in terms of where they could have ended
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Uncle Wemus posted:was benicio even in TROS? The movie was already insanely crowded, the only thing they'd have time for would be a quick fanservicey death as punishment for selling out the heroes, and I imagine BDT would want a bigger part
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Dec 24, 2019 04:21
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Jerkface posted:She says "You did it, now lets go" because Poe successfully stalled long enough for the evacuation to complete. Poe is a classic "break the spirit of the rule" guy so he did the stalling by shooting the cannons, paving the way for his own plan to take down the dreadnought. But he didn't stall! Hux had already given the order to destroy the Resistance before Poe's prank call, and Poe destroying the turbolasers doesn't seem to delay the actual firing of the big cannons. I kind of wonder if there were some reshoots because Johnson realised if he has Poe stalling at the start that would be a nice bookend with Luke stalling at the end, but maybe the special effects were done already so he couldn't have Poe do anything really useful to stall, like destroying some generator so the cannon takes longer to charge
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Dec 24, 2019 13:02
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The point is that he doesn't respectfully lay down his lightsaber and kiss it, he just tosses it onto the ground. Because the weapon isn't sacred! Does he even pick it back up after the Emperor is dead? Does he have it clipped back on his belt at the party at the end?
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Dec 24, 2019 17:46
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I think Luuuke was actually a joke, but Luuke was deadly serious
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Dec 24, 2019 18:30
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The whole mechanics of how the hyperspace tracking works as they describe it was complete gibberish lol. I wonder if they didn't just have A BUG ON THE SHIP because they were worried the audience would dwell on "where's the bug, let's find the bug, why is the plot not about finding the bug now"
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Dec 25, 2019 01:41
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Chewie "dying" was a completely insane choice because as far as I can tell what the characters did didn't matter whether he was dead or captured. So we think he's dead, then the audience knows he isn't dead 2 minutes later, then the characters know he isn't 10 minutes after that... what?!
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Dec 25, 2019 02:47
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General Dog posted:It would’ve been funny if R2-D2 had an appendage shaped exactly like Threepio’s mouth hole that he had to stick in there to restore his memory. The jump cut to restoring his memory did make me laugh, even as R2 having a complete backup of C3PO's memories annoyed me. It's the same as Chewie seeming dead for 15 minutes, like what was the point except to get some "C3PO has his memory erased" jokes? There are definitely good bits in the movie; I like the bond between the characters and a lot of individual setpieces are fun- riding horses up a star destroyer is cool, Rey and Kylo fighting through their force bond and her passing him a lightsaber at the end was cool, and I liked the big moral about the power of hope and doing it together and all that, which is one of the things that actually felt like it built on The Last Jedi instead of trying to pretend it didn't happen. I don't like being too down on it despite how absolutely insane and stupid it is, because there were certainly bits where I was swept along for the ride
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Dec 25, 2019 05:11
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Apparently Finn was trying to tell Rey that he was starting to feel the force. I think there were hints of that elsewhere in the film, Finn keeps talking about having "a feeling" right?
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Dec 25, 2019 14:58
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They knew to target that specific point because they analysed the blueprints and identified the exhaust port as a weakness, that was already in ANH. I don't think R1 was really intended to "fix" anything
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Dec 25, 2019 22:43
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Merch is probably pretty lucrative, and there's Star Wars stuff at theme parks and such, though in those cases how much of a draw Star Wars specifically is may be ambiguous. But then that's common with big companies, how much does Microsoft make from Gamepass when they're practically giving it away? The point isn't really to profit, it's to dominate the entire entertainment ecosystem. Whether Star Wars "pays for itself" isn't really relevant, what's relevant is that if you want Star Wars then you go Disney or go home
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Dec 26, 2019 03:53
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McCloud posted:I got the distinct impression Ray and Finn were into each other in the first movie. This was apparently deemed too controversial because boy howdy did RJ stop that poo poo in his movie and instead created Rose, a non-white romantic interest for FN then did absolutely nothing with him, and meanwhile had Ray make flirty faces with the white fascist who deep down is totally a good person, honest. I think you may be misremembering The Last Jedi. Rey actually didn't hook up with Kylo Ren, and in fact by the end of the film he was actively trying to kill her.
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Dec 26, 2019 05:20
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Anthony Daniels didn't "cameo," he played one of the main characters
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Dec 26, 2019 18:01
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Nobody responded because they all thought it would be pointless, the First Order is just too powerful. As Leia says, "the galaxy has lost its hope". Episode 9 followed up on this, to its credit. I can't remember the exact dialogue but Poe talked about how nobody came to help them and if they want allies they need to give people hope
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Dec 26, 2019 18:50
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Brother Entropy posted:luke dunking on his nephew was supposed to inspire hope in people...somehow A lot of the plot of TLJ is that Snoke didn't want to just win, he wanted to be invincible- to win so thoroughly that there would be no chance of another Rebel Alliance forming. Luke humiliating Kylo in front of his own men by getting him to fight a shadow while the Resistance snuck away showed that the First Order isn't invincible, and as Schwarzenegger once said, "if it bleeds we can kill it"
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Dec 26, 2019 19:04
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I would guess that after they escaped from Crait they got in touch with some of their allies in the outer rim who were like "oh you survived? Sick. Here's some ships or w/e"
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Dec 26, 2019 19:45
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Bioshuffle posted:
The Rise Of Skywalker has basically nothing in common with the original trilogy except for some visual designs and character names
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Dec 26, 2019 21:06
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Sinteres posted:Without getting into the merits of TLJ as a viewing experience, I don't get why anyone would think JJ being disrespectful to Johnson is unfair given that Johnson went out of his way to break JJ's toys. The ultimate responsibility is with the execs who let him do it, but coming into a collaborative effort and saying "nah that's all bullshit" seems pretty toxic to me. Maybe JJ coming back and trying to steer things back in the other direction only compounded the error, but he inherited a poo poo sandwich. He didn't "break toys" he followed up on plot points. The way you people talk about the directors of these movies is deranged.
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McCloud posted:He "followed" it up by saying "That's dumb, this is stupid, and that doesn't matter" None of that happened.
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