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Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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Really really hope Palpatine's not alive as it kind of cheapens the end of Return of the Jedi plus it's just screams we can't think of anything to do with this movie so we'll bring back the only other good part of the old trilogy we havent touched yet.

So he will probably be alive and right as rain.

I'm kind of hoping his ghost remains in the destroyed Death Star and Kylo goes to it to learn from him just like Rey is learning from Luke's ghost to get more powerful or something like that, Rey goes there to stop him?

Also yea title is bland.

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Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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s.i.r.e. posted:

Star Wars being a legacy of rape would probably be more interesting than anything they have going here.

And it would certainly subvert expectations

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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AndyElusive posted:

They confirm a movie is coming out and other than that? I honestly don't know anymore.

No. Otherwise they'd just release a statement with the date on it.

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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precision posted:

Yeah that whole sequence screamed misdirection. It's not a fight.

It's a sex scene

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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pospysyl posted:

Prediction: Either Rey or Kylo Ren will shout, "I am Skywalker!"

One of them will learn to use the force to literally fly, causing Finn to exclaim: "Wow, I guess they really are a Skywalker", before looking straight at the camera.

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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No Mods No Masters posted:

They’re famous you tubers. Sort of like pewdiepie but fat, old, and even more alt right

lol what?

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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dreffen posted:

I mean pewdiepie is absolutely alt right but seems pretty far off the mark to call RLM alt right

Yea i dont even think they've made even one right wing statement or opinion afaik. Thinking he's trolling.

Unless not liking TLJ makes you alt right

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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Shampy posted:

RLM is reserved for lovely nerds with an awful sense of humor and taste in movies who need a duo of similarly awful people telling them how to think and feel. They sucked back with the prequel reviews and they suck now. RLM and Mega64, both unfunny trash for people that collect Funko pops.

Prequel fanboy spotted

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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Well at least their critism of captain marvel was accurate in that Disney should have probably hired a decent actress instead of someone with negative on screen charisma to carry a franchise

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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precision posted:

Because Captain Marvel bombed so hard...?

Criticism was about her acting not the box office. It was never going to bomb regardless of who they cast, but she does stand out as a mediocre actress against the rest of the cast that on the whole mostly have great on screen presence. Obviously Disney doesnt give a drat because they've made money but as a film it's weaker than it needs to be because of her.

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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teagone posted:

Larson's been pretty good in everything else I've see her in. I'd blame poor direction and writing for how Carol turned out in Captain Marvel.

Hopefully, i'll wait and see how she does in Endgame because that's likely going to have much better directing and writing behind it. It'll either allow her to shine or show that she's not quite up there when shes acting alongside the likes of Robert Downey Jr, Chadwick Boseman, Chris Hemsworth etc who can really carry a film on their acting alone.

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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precision posted:

Brie Larson is no less dumb than Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise, I wonder what makes her a bigger target for nerds... hmmm...

:thunk:

lol comparing her to Tom Cruise who isnt the best actor in the world but has massive on screen presence and charisma, same for Brad Pitt. Yea maybe it was the writing and directing but she was boring in a fairly mediocre film. Plus they arent in any "nerd" franchises otherwise they'd be destroyed online as they cant hold a candle to your Robert Downeys etc.

Obviously there's going to be those out there attacking her because she's a woman in the biggest nerd franchise out there (well second to Star wars i suppose) but criticism of her can exist based purely on a judgement of her performance.

Look to Gal Gadot if you want to see how an actress can really carry a super hero movie.

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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McCloud posted:

I'd say this is a really dubious claim if Infinity war is anything to go by


Yeah, it's not like Tom has gotten tons of flack for his weirdo beliefs over the years, or the dumb oprah stunt of his

I think one of the worst things about Captain Marvel was the directing and even if you dislike the writing of Infinity War which I think was on par for most of the Marvel movies apart from the really stellar ones (it wasn't Guardians of the Galaxy quality but it certainty was no Iron Man 2) there were some good performances and some really good fight/ action scenes.

I do wonder if they rushed out Captain Marvel a bit because they knew they had to get it out before Endgame to introduce the character and that's why it felt very lackluster.

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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precision posted:

Why didn't they call it Redemption of the Solo

"Because Master Skywalker was more like a father to me than Han Solo ever was"

- Kylo Ren

Probably an actual quote from the movie.

:barf:

Just Chamber fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Apr 14, 2019

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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MeinPanzer posted:

Can’t believe it’s taken this long to get a live action Tales of the Bounty Hunters. At the very least it will make my 12 year old self very happy.

Seriously, god that IG-88 chapter was so drat good and got me to love him, all of it was great actually

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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s.i.r.e. posted:

Palpatine turning to be some Star Wars Version of Jigsaw would be awful. Make him physical so McDiarmid can be in most of the film and actually make it good. I stand by having The Emperor win too.

I dont really want to have to put an asterisk on the ending of Return of the Jedi every time I watch it so I mentally go nope he's not actually dead sorry when he get's thrown into the reactor. No reason he can't be some sort of evil force ghost though and allow him to ham it up plenty.

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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Kylo hasnt actually tried anything with Rey in the movies right? As much as some fans get wet over the idea. Like i dont even remember any sort of awkward scene where it's clear he wanted to

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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Taintrunner posted:

Daisy Ridley is 27, Adam is 35. So I would assume much closer to that.

Yea but when have actors ever really played their actual age on screen? I dont think their real age really matters. You could tell me Kylo is supposed to be 23 and i'd believe you

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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Vintersorg posted:

30 and 19 is fine.

Legally sure, sexually attracted to sure, but it's still always odd when a fully grown adult wants to be in a relationship with someone who's just becoming one and likely still new to most adult experiences (relationships, where they are in their life etc).

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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Brother Entropy posted:

he's a space wizard general who killed his dad, he's got bigger signs of oddness than a may-december romance that's not even in the movies

Oh i'm not talking films when i say all that. I dont even think Kylo is shown to have those sort of feelings for Rey unless I missed some obvious plot point. She get's all flustered when his shirts off so maybe she's supposed to be entertaining those thoughts? Yes Kylo wants her to join him but I always just took that as because she's the only other force user (besides Luke) in the galaxy left alive at that point. Maybe there's just an obvious romantic plot point between them that i've been blind to.

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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Zoran posted:

Well he did do mind rape

So what does that mean for Poe?

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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SuperMechagodzilla posted:

Shmii Skywalker wasn’t a queen.

Rey is not ‘genetically superior’ because she’s a Skywalker (Anakin wasn’t a king either) but because she has the same psychic mutation as Yoda, Mace Windu, and Snoke.

So you're saying they're X-Men?

If Midichlorians are a thing, and it's assumed they can be passed from parent to child, then surely those who possess an abundance of strength in the force (and thus a high Midichlorian count?) will be genetically superior in the use of it and you dont get much more powerful than Anakin whose dad was literally the force.

It's clearly a hereditary thing because you dont see Obi Wan saying to Luke "oh your dad was a powerful Jedi but you might not have any powers whatsoever because genes have nothing to do with it", he knows Luke will be a powerful Jedi because his father was one.

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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Lol i just remembered something from this film. They're all trying to think how to take out the new Sith fleet and Dominic Monaghan shouts out "Hey let's try the Holdo maneuver" and Poe is like "um nah that's a one in a million shot" and they move the gently caress on from that idea. JJ was clearly anticipating everyone asking why dont they just light speed some ships into the enemy like TLJ. It was hand waved so poorly.

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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Comstar posted:

Furthermore,

When Chewie gets killed and Rey has a crises over it, I gave JJ props for doing that. I respected that and thought it would add a lot.

Then we find out he was in another castle ship. Damm it JJ.


I feel like they couldnt do this because EVERYONE would hate Rey as a character after that, more than they do now, like zero redemption with the fans if she killed off a beloved character.

Though I was fooled for a minute and thought it was bold until i realised naw they cant do this.

Just Chamber fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Dec 19, 2019

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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Hobo Clown posted:

What's a good time to pee during this? Don't want to miss anything hilarious and this large drink is ridiculous

When they see the death star on the water planet/ meet the black lady with the bow though that's some way (over half) in, that's when i went.

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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Comstar posted:

Dammit, every scene I think of has a problem with it.

How did Kylo get off Endor Moon II back to Exomore? He watches Rey take his....2nd ship (because she already blew up his first one.....what was he trying to do then anyway? He didn't shoot, and he didn't seem to be trying to run her over either) and has no comm link, no ship and no one else in orbit. He then gets back to Exomore by himself.


Complaint withdrawn! There was a shot of a TIE fighter in the weirdly intact death star which stood out to me, so fair point.

I think that Tie was wrecked, like i swear it looked broken, maybe he fixed it.

But also I just assumed he had a comm and just radioed his ship and said yo pick me up.

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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Just a scene of Kylo flying through space like this to Exomore while Brodyquest plays.

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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nemesis_hub posted:

It’s incredible that Kylo is such a nothing of a character if you think about it. The nonsense with Luke in TLJ doesn’t explain anything: the whole idea is that Luke freaked out because Ben was ALREADY corrupted by Snoke. Why? How? In what way was he disappointed by Han as a father etc? what’s the nature of his obsession with Vader? None of it is dramatized or visualized in the films. Instead, the movies relies on vague cultural allusions from outside the film or other SW movies (Anakin, school shooter, ISIS) to give the character any substance whatsoever. It’s complete garbage that only works even a little thanks to Driver being really good.

This is all hand waved away by Palpatine saying he was Vader in his head, he was Snoke, etc etc, he was corrupting Kylo since he was young as revenge against the Skywalkers I guess?? Yea it's not great.

I do like how they portray Kylo as conflicted throughout the sequels though, he does really feel like a person on the edge of losing it at all times and barely holding his poo poo together, but yes that's a lot to do with Driver.

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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Happy Noodle Boy posted:

Big loving props to that one dude that, after the battle was won, decided to Holdo maneuver a Star Destroyer over Endor just to prove Finn wrong I guess?

One in a million lmao just point the ship towards the enemy and pedal to the metal.

Wait what, I missed this I guess. There was just so much junk happening on screen its hard to focus I suppose.

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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Happy Noodle Boy posted:

When they’re doing the victory montage the starts with Bespin I think. The next scene from a forest looking up and you can very clearly see a split Star Destroyer exactly like TLJ same lightning and all.

Oh gently caress that's what that was. I thought it was just bits of the Star Destroyer falling into atmosphere or something but just lol if its some dude Holdoing it up.

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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Pollyanna posted:

Like my brain genuinely hurts, it honestly looks like half the people watched a different movie than the other half. Maybe that's my brain problems, but I don't get it.

It's not even about the movie, it's about the sheer extremity in opinions. You either hate the movie's guts, or you're crying your eyes out while naming your firstborn Rey Skywalker. What the gently caress is going on

Nah. I think most people are like me, very much in the middle. Perhaps the people you're looking at on twitter are just extremes on one side or the other. I think the general public honestly will mostly enjoy this film because it's just pure shock like TFA. Fun things happen, there are a few laughs, it's a spectacle with an actual ending and everything wrapping up in a neat bow. Is it a good movie? Nope not really it's just like TFA, it's a safe star wars moopie that throws fan service in your face over and over. If you aren't like comparing them to the OT, you like the new characters and you just wanna see them go on an adventure that unlike TLJ feels like Star Wars you'll have a good time.

Honestly the people that seem to hate it seem to be either super against the sequels and hate the first two movies or massive TLJ fans that wanted more of the same and they're idiots because JJ was never going to do that.

I think the audience RT score is pretty accurate I think if you ask the average person "was it an enjoyable 2 hours in the cinema?".

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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dex_sda posted:

Again, I think it's all reductive, treating it as people being content to eat slop. This movie hinges on a narrative trick - in media res starting "actually the emperor is alive". If you buy it, it's gonna be okayish. If you don't, it's gonna be loving awful.

That's why it gets a 6 on imdb (because the people it worked for are like "yeah it's like a 5-8" and people that it didn't are below 3), but will probably score higher on RT, because all you need to cross there is an ehhh "thumbs up." That's all there is to it.

Kinda yea. When I first saw the trailer months back and realised that Palpatine was alive I was like that loving sucks jesus christ those hacks can't think of one original idea. But I had months to just accept it and say gently caress it OK he's alive what else you got and so the movie didn't like fall apart on that revelation like I imagine it would have if they'd kept that a secret. I also went into it knowing a bunch of spoilers so yea I just didn't care I guess so I'm quite forgiving towards the movie than others might be.

Like I cared about TLJ going into it from TFA because I, like most, thought there was promise there to be built on, I was excited to see where these characters would go, and TLJ was such a disappointment I was bummed. I feel like a lot of people going into this riding high off TLJ are going to get the same feeling.

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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Amethyst posted:

Some people like star wars some people hate it

Pollyanna: What does it mean? WHAT THE gently caress IS GOING ON?!



Lots of people on these forums, in reviews and all over twitter are saying "eh it was OK kinda bland but whatever".

Pollyanna: People either love it or hate it, there is no in between!! :psyduck:

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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Rose got kinda pushed to the side but these films were always about the main 3 friends and it makes sense in the last film they'd just focus on them. In this film we get Finn teaming up for a little bit with the black lady with a bow but if there was a forth film I wouldn't care if she didn't go on adventures with Finn, Rey and Poe on the Falcon.

Plus there just wasn't any chemistry between Finn and Rose. Regardless of what right wing chuds say I am also sure that those in charge of the movie looked at TLJ and thought well those two sticking together really didn't work too well in that movie, the casino part of the film is often the most criticised and their romance was non existent, so let's try something else. So of course Finn meets and teams up with the only black woman in the galaxy. Even if it's going to make some idiots think their hate of Rose online worked I think Rose as a 4th character to hang with the main 3 just wouldn't have been that great.

I do hope JJ addresses her lack of screen time in an interview soon though and specifically says that her being less present wasn't to do with fan pressure and those fans who abused her are scummy.

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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Mike N Eich posted:

It's amazing that Abrams just *could not* let any action leave any lasting consequence. You actually might give Rey some pathos if she accidentally killed Chewbacca - oh poo poo nevermind, he's alive. Oh man! C-3PO has to make the ultimate sacrifice to keep our heroes on the path- oh poo poo oh no, he's got his memories back, no worries. Rey kills Kylo Ren in anger! That should be a bad thing, oh wait oh no nevermind she heals him back up just minutes later.

Good fuckin god dude.

If Rey had killed Chewie she'd be dead to fans. You cant have a character that's only semi liked by many and hated by some kill off a beloved character from the OT. As soon as it happened I was shocked then reality hit me and I realised nah they would be too afraid to do that he's alive somehow.

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

Speaking of the Knights of Ren what the gently caress was the point of them?

Like who were they? Why did they have lovely axes and maces? Why did they even exist?

Yea they loving sucked. When they were first teased I thought oh cool they're some ex students from the academy that he turned or at least some badass henchmen he employs. Instead we get lovely nobodies who look like they grabbed whatever scrap they could find from the local dump. They served no purpose except to be killed.

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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I feel like Daisy Ridley will have a similar career to Kiera Knightly. Nothing remarkable, she'll pop up here and there in quite British roles, period dramas etc and the odd blockbuster but no one will consider her an amazing actress.

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

Leia dies and then double dies and vanishes like a day later when her son dies for...reasons?

The doctor hosed up and she wasn't actually dead under that sheet. She spent 24 hours slowly dying while others walked past.

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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Shaocaholica posted:

Only white ppl can be in positions of power in the empire/FO it seems :thunk:

Not even another species

Nah they've shown a few POC, there was a black admiral/moff/whatever at the table in Kylo's meeting for example. But also yes they're facists and specifically anti alien.

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Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

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mastershakeman posted:

https://twitter.com/boobooben/status/1207889476174929921

There's no way my screening will be this great but God drat I love the anger and the WHERES BEN

I'm just gonna assume that person has serious mental health issues because otherwise it's just too sad.

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