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mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Lilikoi posted:

TROS worst crime is y'all saying that in retrospect the prequels don't suck as much

Yeah I feel like there's a lot of rose colored glasses going on these days. Does anyone remember Anakin building Threepio? The big reveal of Episode 1 being the Death Star plans? Anakin killing Padme for literally no reason even though Padme's death is the most important thing in all three movies?

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mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Prequel memes exist because in retrospect the prequel movies were a bizarre thing that virtually everyone in a certain age range was basically forced to watch. The universal recognizability makes them basically perfect meme material like Shrek and Bee Movie.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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galagazombie posted:

No one actually saw Bee Movie though. I think theres more to memeability than amount of viewers. Though I won't argue it's not a component.

Maybe not the movie itself but there was a period where you could not escape ads for that thing.

According to all known laws of aviation..

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Pollyanna posted:

You are taking this far more seriously than I am. You’re the one that needs to step back.

"Maybe it is YOU who is the one who is mad"

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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I can't help but wonder if this dunking on the movie from inside the house is Disney cutting their losses and running.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Ignis posted:

I'm not sure making a jokey tweet on a pairing he doesn't like counts as painting a target on the fandom, though? It's not like he explicitly said he wanted all Reylos to die in a fire or tweeted "lol Reylos :ese: :ese: "

Replying to specific people is kinda iffy because social media is absolutely toxic enough to harass someone over that.

In fact social media was probably a mistake.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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The Reylos are ultimately right because Kylo Ren's and Rey's endings suck and don't actually resolve anything (other than who Rey's parents were in the most literal sense I guess??)

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Halloween Jack posted:

For a certain definition of "right" that involves screaming, crying, and making death threats about how right you are.

I respect that more than people who liked the movie for resolving the "plot hole" of Rey's parents.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Low Desert Punk posted:

"you went into the theater wanting to hate it!" was played out like 13 years ago

I wish I wanted to hate it. :smith:

The Last Jedi already crushed my hopes of Finn getting any screentime outside of terrible sidequests, so if anything I was primed to be won over.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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I try to keep a open mind but I cannot tolerate even indirect or implied defense of Jar Jar.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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teagone posted:

I mean, they basically are though? Concerning yourself with how exact/realistic the science is behind the ability to see planets destroyed while on another planet is in the same realm of being upset that there are explosive sounds during space battles in Star Wars. There is no sound in space.

Also technically no one should ever be able to see anything in Star Wars because of the speed of light.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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I feel like I've become privy to something that shouldn't have been seen.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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I still have no idea how they decided on those pants. It's really hard not to see Kylo as having an extremely short and wide torso.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Solaris 2.0 posted:

So many possibilities could be had, it felt like the plot could go anywhere!

Instead JJ and Disney decided "ehh let's just do A New Hope again, but worse, and what if instead of a death star the New Order has a ....PLANET STAR. Also for whatever reason there's still a "resistance" because the New Republic can't be arsed to confront them?"
And instead of focusing on developing the film's new characters (Rey, Poe, Fin) the film spends way too much time reintroducing old ones who have gone back to...doing the exact same thing they were doing decades before? As if 0 character development had occurred in episodes 4,5,6?

In retrospect the fact that Leia is still a rebel General is some prime bullshit.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Timby posted:

I finally saw Rise of Skywalker last night and I genuinely cannot get over how awful it is, in every single way. Jesus Christ.

It's the movie equivalent of jangling keys.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Darko posted:

Star Wars has an easier time of "what is this about" than Trek because the only time people had issues with that was Phantom Menace talking about space politics from time to time and having the hippie Jedi who seemed high all the time talking about being able to read Jedi power levels by giving them blood tests instead of just sensing them. Half of that kind of changed, though, since Phantom Menace evolved into Clone Wars, evolved into "the politics and scheming are the best part of Star Wars now" to the point where the sequel series is notably worse for not having any at all.

The Galactic Senate scenes being a pop culture punchline for years seems to have given Disney the lesson that Star Wars films should have no worldbuilding, ever. What are the planets that got blown up in The Force Awakens? gently caress you! Where did the First Order come from, and how are they so powerful? Go take a hike!

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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There was also a period of time where Disney seemed to not want to make any tie-in video games outside of Disney Infinity (remember that?)

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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You guys are giving the average film watcher way too much credit, most of the complaints about Broom Boy wasn't that it was symbolically confused or that it was more nostalgia circlejerking, people 100% believed the ending meant Broom Boy would be a character in Episode 9

edit: This conversation did make me realize that it's kinda surprising that Disney hasn't tried a flat out remake of the original trilogy. Like, it would be a bad idea and the discourse would be insane but you would still think they would try it.

mycot fucked around with this message at 22:53 on May 4, 2023

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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On paper it would solve the two dilemmas brought up by other posters, the desire of Disney to have "their own" Star Wars and the ability to milk the original trilogy endlessly. In reality it's a doomed idea because neither Disney nor the fans will allow anyone to get Weird with it, so the only way things could pan out is: shot for shot remake with different actors (bad, pointless) or a MCU-fied version of the trilogy (horrible, revolting, will piss off everyone). I guess I'm just surprised because it's not like the opinions of sane people have stopped every bad idea.

mycot fucked around with this message at 00:54 on May 5, 2023

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Grievous' backstory is kinda the perfect encapsulation of the Expanded Universe in that it doesn't line up with the actual character in the movies very well because it was an entirely different creative team. You can tell that Genndy just got Grievous' character design, a description of him being a Jedi killer who collects lightsabers, and went off from that.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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I haven't rewatched it since it came out but I thought in the movie itself there's no implication that Palpatine's son and granddaughter were made through anything but the old fashioned way, which is why Sheev Fucks became a meme.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Wolfsheim posted:

To be fair ESB would also be looked at poorly in retrospect if ROTJ had Vader going "actually I'm not your father I lied your father was actually the son of Nute Gunray. also Nute Gunray had a secret dark fleet of super federation ships and has been the real threat all along"

Also Vader falls into a hole and has no lines.

And instead of his redemption happening because of his conversation with Luke, the one who turns him is the ghost of, uh, Obi Wan.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Angry Salami posted:

Hey, now that's not fair.

You could also read it as saying that hotheaded Latinos need to be kept in line by wiser old white people.

I remember when The Force Awakens came out people thought the racial diversity was kind of nice and it's dismaying how it all went wrong, like immediately.

edit: two movies dedicated to reassuring the audience that no miscegenation is going on here.

mycot fucked around with this message at 16:19 on May 11, 2023

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Poe actually living and being a major character was a huge mistake. It would have never happened because Oscar Isaac is too hot but he should have either died immediately after inspiring Finn or stayed distant from the main characters as Finn's hero. As it is he just cannibalizes Finn's plots.

There's a reason why people say Finn and Poe should have gotten together and it's not just a joke, it would have legitimately solved the problem of Finn and Poe being stretched for material.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Doctor Spaceman posted:

You need a character the audience cares about to fight in the spaceship battles, and if you killed off Poe you'd just end up making another character who would do most of the same things.

(Rogue One didn't have an equivalent because it was a standalone ensemble piece with a different tone).

Yeah but people would care about Poe if he was Finn's boyfriend :colbert:

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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The Dark Side is like, the most unsexiest evil faction ever though.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Even from the perspective of "milking rich families with Star Wars obsessed kids" it always seemed like a questionable idea. It's a completely scripted experience so I can't imagine people coming more than once, even before the kids age out of it.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Maybe I'm dumb but what did Dooku expect to happen at the end of the war? Did he just expect to get a high position in the new Empire like what would eventually happen to Vader?

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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It's really funny that in real life the idea that the same species/planet could have multiple cultures is a no brainer but in something like Star Wars it feels like a retcon or inconsistency because race=personality is such a big part of the genre.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Yeah I'll back you up on that, Mark Hamill doesn't have to be a good actor, but he is. TLJ actually made me regretful that his movie career ended up the way it did. At least he gets to be the Joker.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Vinylshadow posted:

Just go the Kingdom Hearts route of "Everyone is either a Sora Mandalorian or a Xehanort Palpatine"

This gave me flashbacks to one of the fake leaks for either The Last Jedi or Rise of Skywalker having Rey be the reincarnation of Anakin.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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This was the same fake leak that had the final bosses be Force Cthulhus from the center of the galaxy, ha. It's easy to forget now but people really did not want Kylo to be the final bad guy, it had to be another Dark Side user, or Hux representing the rest of the First Order, or anything else. Little did people know that they would get what they wanted in the dumbest possible way.

edit: Hux is strange to me because he gets more attention than someone like Admiral Piett but is basically a completely different character in every appearance, including the Trevorrow script.

mycot fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Jun 24, 2023

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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I am like dead certain that this specific image is the sole reason why that orange slug alien was all over the marketing for Episode IX

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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The Expanded Universe tried many times to make anti-alien racism a part of the Empire and it never really came off as convincing to me. Sure, out of universe we are going to be biased toward the human characters and know the important characters are going to be human, but in-universe it's never really implied in the movies that humans are anything special.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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DeimosRising posted:

There are literally no aliens in the imperial military as pictured in the OT, unless you assume there are some alien stormtroopers with no evidence

Yeah but that's because they're all British people (minus Vader and Sheev), and you can't have a British alien, that's like a pirate ninja.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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The leaked script felt like what you would get if you asked a random person with a decent understanding of arcs and themes (e.g. most people in this thread) to come up with a ending to the trilogy on the spot, immediately post-TLJ. So like Rose and Finn get to exist and there's technically follow through on inspiring hope in the galaxy instead of Lando ex Machina, but it's kind of unexciting. (Oh and that random person is a Poe/Rey shipper.) The movie could have turned out better, or it could have turned out worse, but since it doesn't exist and The Rise of Skywalker does the grass is going to be greener.

mycot fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Jul 21, 2023

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Darko posted:

I thought it has too many cuts and stuff, so I don't even like how it's directed. Star Wars is never "frantic" and that entire movie was just jumping all over the place, starting with the lightspeed skipping at the beginning of the movie. Star Wars movies are almost known for sitting and chilling with the characters.

The sequence with Rey blowing up Chewbacca in a massive lightning blast made me do a nervous laugh in the theater, it was such a "the wheels are coming off the ride" moment.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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Sheev is evil Yoda.

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mycot
Oct 23, 2014

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There didn't need to be a secret secret leader behind Snoke, is the thing. The non coward thing to do would have been to have Kylo Ren or even Hux take over the First Order for real when Snoke got merced.

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