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feedmyleg posted:Rebels is terrible and made the whole Rebel Alliance feel like a fuckin' joke. The first season was a bit "meh." The special between seasons One and Two that brought in Vader was the thing that made me go, "Okay, yeah, you know what? Disney's got this." After the three prequel movies turned Darth Vader into a whiny, emo preppy stalker, two episodes of an animated show turned him back into a legitimate, badass terrifying villain. I'll always be grateful to Rebels for doing that even beyond getting to experience Thrawn onscreen. I admit that I'm at least mildly sad that Rise of Skywalker isn't going to bring him (and Lars Mikkelson's awesome voice acting) back. I'm half expecting that Rise of Skywalker will have Kylo Ren kill off the Resistance at the start and the rest of the movie will detail his tragic struggle with chronic priapism.
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feedmyleg posted:The characters are universally dire—outside of Ahsoka, who as stated had to be imported from a better show to give Rebels some life. Thrawn is why you got Ahsoka to begin with. Return of the Jedi came out in 1983. And there really wasn't a follow-up to it. Then in 1987 West End Games released "The Star Wars Roleplaying Game" which was quite popular. They developed various supplements detailing planet, races, vehicles, etc. The supplements ended up being used as references for writers doing the Star Wars Expanded Universal novels which helped keep Star Wars alive and in the public mind until the prequels came out and were followed by the movie which introduced Ahsoka and the Clone Wars series. Which I believe is also coming back now. feedmyleg posted:This was a bad move. A creepy, incel, alt-right, emotionally-stunted, post-Columbine teenager is a lot scarier in the modern era than Metal Frankenstein. The prequels may have whiffed the execution of the character, but they nailed the idea. As much as I think the sequels also have terrible characters, Kylo is a great refinement of the same concept. I think Vader needed to be the Vader of the original movies, but I agree with you about Kylo Ren. One of the things I liked most about The Last Jedi was the way that Snoke was unceremoniously dispatch by Ren. Palpatine wanted an intact Empire to rule. Ren seems like someone who would happily burn the whole galaxy down to warm himself.
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sigher posted:How is this a counterpoint, it's awful. lol I don't know. I don't remember it exactly, but it kind of turns Maul into... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU23a7riD1o which is kind of hilarious.
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galagazombie posted:If you wanted to sum up Rebels in one word it would be "Inconsistent". You'd have a great episode followed by a garbage episode followed by a so-so episode and so on. I liked the show okay. I mostly watched Seasons 2-4 for people other than the main cast, like Vader, Thrawn and even Palpatine. I kind of hated the last episode (Really? Thrawn is defeated by loving magic space whales?) but ultimately had to accept it (Yeah, figure the only thing Thrawn wouldn't see coming and be able to counter would be loving magic space whales). I'd be willing to kill for a series or just some Timothy Zahn books on "The Adventures of Thrawn and Ezra in Magic Space Whale Space" or whatever.
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Neo Rasa posted:I mean even Luke repeatedly is like wtf are you even doing here while slurping up green slime from those alien dick teets. I know a bunch of fans dump on The Last Jedi but bitter, cantankerous old fart Luke was awesome.
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gohmak posted:And Luke was your father. We didn’t yet know so we had to abandon. I loved Han, but it was a victory party and Ewoks make some really strong hooch...
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Dishwasher posted:Right? Like, way to jump on the "Lando is the only black man in the entire loving universe" meme. This makes me wish that my joke prediction of "Kylo Ren kills the Resistance and spends the rest of the movie struggling with chronic priapism" was true.
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As a 30 year old I mostly liked Phantom Menace. Figure part of it was the sheer relief of getting more Star Wars on the big screen. I think the biggest problem with Jar-Jar was that he was the only designate comic character in the movie. Everyone else was straight-laced to the point of being humorless so he stuck out more. That all said, this still makes me smile. 
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The thing that kind of blows my mind about the new trilogy is that they had Lupita Nyong'o right there. Why didn't they just have Maz Kanata look like Lupita Nyong'o instead of some kind of freeze-dried Muppet corpse?
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Announcing the new Super-Duper-Ooper-Pooper-Deluxe version of Star Wars IV: A New Hope now featuring a new CGI scene with Imperial engineers giving a 15 minute technobabble explanation about how sand gets into Speeder-bike engines so the troopers have to ride Dewbacks. Also, Greedo shoots first, but misses Han and is killed by his own ricochet.
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TheOmegaWalrus posted:I never, ever thought I'd be typing this- but given the choice between more of the prequels and more of the Disney schlock... I gotta go with more of the prequels. The Force Awakens was barely reheated leftovers, but I really liked The Last Jedi. Luke being bitter cranky. Kylo Ren seeking a connection with Rey out of loneliness from killing or driving away everyone who loved him. The rakishly charming hacker recruited by Finn and Rose turning out to very much not have a heart of gold. Poe "going rogue" to hit the First Order turning out to be a mistake that destroyed most of the Resistance. The idea that the Force was awakening in all sorts of people instead of being confined to the Magic Space Jesus bloodline of the Skywalkers. Snoke narrating his own murder.
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Asgerd posted:Serious question - when was this ever the case? The prequels literally had hundreds of non-Skywalker Jedi, and out of the six force-users in the OT, Obi-Wan, Yoda and Palpatine have no connection to the Skywalker bloodline. TLJ fans seem to think that "the force has been democratized, now anybody be a Jedi!" is some sort of rebuttal to the older films when it feels more like a solution in search of a problem. But I guess it's a moot point since Rey's heritage is getting retconned and I guarantee we're never seeing Broomstick Kid again. Assuming you limit it to Jedi/fomer Jedi, at the beginning of TFA there are three: Leia, Luke and Kylo who are all of the Skywalker bloodline. Granted that Snoke is something else. But my real point from before was about how chosen/super the various Skywalkers seemed to be in terms of their strength and speed of learning. The idea that Rey had power similar to theirs while being a "nobody" was cool to me and I'm annoyed that this is being retconned. Up until The Force Awakens, everyone who used the Force had to be taught to do so. Even Anakin with his natural power still needed to learn to unlock that power from the Jedi. In TFA no one taught Rey to do what she did (at the time I even fanwanked that Kylo Ren had inadvertently taught her the Force when they were mind-linked as he was interrogating her). The kid in the stable is the first time we see someone use the Force without being taught to use it assuming you don't count Rey. And with the kid I think you have to count Rey. Unless the final movie pulls some retconning bullshit (which it kind of already has with loving Palpatine), that's a huge change in the way that the Force works. Prior to TFA & TLJ, the Force was a kind of skill. Even if you were one of the few able to potentially use the Force, you still needed to be taught. Everyone fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Sep 24, 2019 |
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garycoleisgod posted:Anakin is the only human to survive a podrace. It is heavily implied that this is due to his force abilities. He does this before he even meets a jedi. No training required. Or the Force runs in cycles. At some earlier time the Force was "awake" and beings learned Force abilities. Then the Force went to "sleep" but some members who'd learned abilities were able to teach them to others who would have manifested them spontaneously but can't since the Force is "asleep." All living beings draw upon the Force to some degree. When Han Solo attacks the trio of TIEs chasing Luke during A New Hope that was him unconsciously channeling the Force as a burst of skill/luck to let him punk Darth Vader in that moment. Figure Luke did something similar with his shot to take out the Death Star (though by that time he'd gotten at least a little training from Obi-Wan). Figure the same thing happened with Anakin during the pod race and later again the Trade Federation ship. That all said, channeling the Force in a conscious, controlled manner (telekinetically sweeping a stable, for example) is much different and would normally be a technique that would need to be taught. But since the Force is "awake" some people are able to manifest that ability without training.
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Captain Jesus posted:It's the same phenomenon as people claiming that Black Panther was the first black superhero movie, Captain Marvel the first female superhero movie etc. Disney discovered that people buy into their narrative even if it's not true. And if you point it out they always qualify it in a weird way, like this: Kylo did do that thing in TFA of catching and holding a blaster bolt mid-shot then redirecting it elsewhere. I don't think even Vader did anything like that. Luke went from untrained novice to master in four-five years. Whatever Leia learned let her survive and fly in the vacuum of space.
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Stairmaster posted:but what about the inquisitors.... As I recall they got butchered by Darth Maul in Rebels.
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Gonz posted:Vader was very much the Regional Manager that Auralnauts made him out to be. Vader was basically the Sith Lord version of the consultants from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV7u1VBhWCE Everyone fucked around with this message at 14:51 on Sep 26, 2019 |
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Gonz posted:I hope Sheev is out there standing atop a cliff with waves crashing everywhere, shooting random lightning bolts into the sky like goddamn Mickey Mouse at the end of Fantasia. And at the end, Rey cut off Palpatine's face, revealing that it was a mask for Mickey Mouse all along.
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There was a lot of unbelievable stuff in this movie, but for my money, the biggest surprise is... see this guy? Some woman had sex with this guy. Do you think he let loose with a triumphant evil cackle while they were loving? Because I think he totally let loose with a triumphant evil cackle while they were loving.
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ImpAtom posted:Ben Skywalker has a giant fetish, don't shame. Aside from the "Holy poo poo! Palpatine hosed!" revelation, it's kind of hard to hold onto specific points. There are parts of this movie that are cool. Parts where I felt moved at the time. And maybe 90 minutes after leaving the theater, I can't recall anything specific. Leia dying was actually a relief, like "Thank God, the Disney necromancers are allowing Carrie Fisher's spirit to depart for the after life. The bit with Hux helping Finn, Poe and Chewie escape out of sheer spite was good - as was the follow-up with the other general just blasting him because no poo poo, he's the spy. Finn getting set up with yet another woman-of-color romantic consolation prize and pretty much ignoring her was kind of funny. Keri Russell is a beautiful 43 year old woman who is perfectly age-appropriate for 40 year old Oscar Isaac. So why the gently caress wouldn't the movie show her face under that helmet? Oh, no! The First Order has destroyed... what the gently caress was the name of that planet we were on for like twenty minutes? Can't remember the name. But we're totally heartbroken over it for sure. I kind of appreciate Ben giving his life to heal Rey, but it's kind of weird that Rey is alive and he future of the Force while Daisy Ridley has flatly stated on multiple occasions that she's done with Star Wars and never wants to go near it again. If Force ghosts can touch stuff and do physical Force poo poo, why didn't Luke, Anakin, Yoda and Kenobi team the gently caress up and just flatten Palpatine themselves? Lazy spiritual fucks. I know I sounds like I hated it, but I didn't. In the theater I really enjoyed myself and never had the urge to look at my watch even once. Outside the theater, the movie mostly faded like morning dew. Was it epic? I guess. Was it an unforgettable experience? Not for me.
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Hazo posted:lmao holy poo poo, I completely forgot all about that until your post. I wonder if we’ll ever learn what the gently caress the original plan for that was My take was "The Force Has Awakened, done its poo poo/Shower/Shave, Gotten Dressed and is now at work." AKA there's going to be a fuckton of people displaying Force abilities now. Rey, who presumably has the Jedi books but not that crusted over Jedi perspective can train these new people. The fact that she was able to obtain true closure with Palpatine and Ben makes her more emotionally capable as teacher in contrast to Luke's "manipulated into being a living revenge weapon" situation. Everyone fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Dec 21, 2019 |
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grieving for Gandalf posted:this movie had a giant blue laser, just like all the comic book movies! That was great. "Finally snogged the hot girl. Now I can die happy." So he did. I remember after Carrie Fisher died thinking that they'd bring in Thrawn to be the elder commander/statement and being kind of disappointed that they were bringing Billy Dee Williams back instead. And now I am so loving relieved that Thrawn was kept far away from this thing that looks like it's about to crater like one of those Star Destroyers. If we get a Rian Johnson trilogy centered on Thrawn, that will rock like an asteroid field.
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Davros1 posted:First Gwendoline Christie, then Keri Russell (and Lupita Nyong'o, in a way) Alas, no. We see a couple of the fuzzy little bastards at the end watching a Star Destroyer get blown up. I liked The Last Jedi. I liked it better than any movie in the main Star Wars series save The Empire Strikes Back. But I haven't hated any of the movies - except possibly Attack of the Clones. Even that gets more mockery than venom from me. I thought The Force Awakens was derivative but still enjoyable. And I enjoyed The Rise of Skywalker too. I just can't remember the more enjoyable parts. Five minutes after leaving the theater, I remembered feeling moved by parts of the movie. And even feeling wonder. But I could not for the life of me remember the actual scenes that had produced those feelings. Figure there's a decent chance that I'll have forgotten a lot of the questions and goofy stuff from this movie as well. I suspect that in the long run, the thing that will stick with me the longest is that once upon a time, Palpatine had sex with a woman.
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:This is a silly nitpick, but when Palpatine is telling Rey that if she kills him like she is planning to she'll actually be doing exactly what he wants its like, if you had not said anything and just like Rey kill you (or better yet, ACT like it's something that you don't want, even mock fight her for a bit) you could have gotten what you wanted! One of my favorite parts of The Last Jedi was Snoke doing this right up to the point that Kylo loving murders him. Some bits seemed kind of passive-aggressive toward TLJ. Like the bit where they make sure that Rose can't go with them because she has so much nothing to do. I mean, just kill her off. Or say she got killed. Or just have her off trying to recruit more forces for the Resistance or something. Instead it's like they took pains to de-emphasize her role. And then they brought in Jannah as a potential romantic connection for Finn but John Boyega played a total lack of interest in that to a hilarious degree. Presumably Benicio Del Toro's DJ got a happy ending spending the First Order's credits. One thing is for certain, though. Even though vehicles can easily crash, burn and explode, those are some long-lasting mother-fuckers when it comes to harsh environments. Luke's X-Wing was under ocean water for, what, a decade at least and it flew fine. That Jedi hunter ship was stuck in the desert for longer and it started right up. Hell, even after getting blown up and crashing onto a moon, parts of the Death Star II had power to open doors.
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Mulva posted:Listen, Finn served an important role in the movie: Making it clear that miscegenation is wrong and that he should stay with his own kind, which is why nobody took him seriously about his interest in Rey and she never shows the slightest attraction to him and they had him a more appropriate black woman with his exact backstory to keep him in his lane. It's part of the movie's overall theme of the nature of nobility and bloodlines and their role in forging the great people that shape destiny. Twisted as it is, that kind of does make sense. Which makes Boyega playing Finn as having polite non-interest in Jannah even funnier.
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Davros1 posted:So they just made Finn a "Force-sensitive" like Maz? No real powers? Pert much. Rian Johnson is supposed to do a Star Wars trilogy at some point, so this might be a set-up for Finn to be a Jedi (or whatever-the-gently caress Rey decides to the bunch she trains in the Force). Of course if Rey trains Finn, we'll get the Star Wars take on "Hot for Teacher." Except we won't. Because as I understand it Daisy Ridley is done with Star Wars from this point forward. Anyone coming at her with a lightsaber to sign will get stabbed through the eye with a proper 19th century lady's hatpin, from whatever movie she's playing a proper 19th century Victorian lady in.
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Zoran posted:I think it’s disappointing that this trilogy doesn’t make any attempt to envision what a Jedi philosophy that overcomes the flaws of the prequel era Jedi might actually be. There’s no real sense of what it means to be a Jedi now—Rey is just sort of generically resistant to temptation and overcomes her foes by being real powerful. Well, it's a little different. With Luke, Kenobi and Yoda weren't really trying to give him much philosophy. They were just forging a weapon that could kill Vader and the Emperor. What bits they did give Luke cast the Jedi as perfect noble souls who were foully betrayed by Vader and that's why they fell. Luke's training of Rey involved pounding the idea into her that the Jedi hosed things up royally and were very much fallible. He also shared his own failures as a teacher with her. That perspective is going to be vital when she does choose to train others. Assuming she doesn't just decide to be a hermit somewhere having spirit sex with Force ghost Ben Solo since Force ghosts can perform physical actions now.
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Miching Mallecho posted:Why didn’t Sheev’s lightning destroy any of the ships? They're metal and pretty much designed to resist space radiation. The lightning did act as an ion attack, which doesn't do physical damage to ships but fucks up their electronics systems (which is why the ships were out of control and heading to crash into the ground before Rey acted). Mat Cauthon posted:The thing I do appreciate about the fights in the prequels is that you get some continuity in technique from Qui-Gon to Obi-Wan to Anakin. Obi-Wan does Anakin's signature backflip strike over the enemy thing twice in the fight with Maul, and Qui-Gon's style is very similar to how Obi-Wan fights in the Eps 2 and 3. There's a really cool pay-off to that in the 3rd Season Star Wars: Rebels episode, "Twin Suns."
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2house2fly posted:It sounds kind of difficult to make a movie out of. Like if the villains are little microscopic beings, how do you have the characters beat them? Vaccine? Quarantine? Scientists in space suits? I mean, you never saw Outbreak or Contagion?
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Eifert Posting posted:Attack of the Clones might be the worst movie I've seen. It's either that or when my parents made me take my sister to Spy Kids 2. Anakin : [telling Padme about the Sand People] I... I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead... every single one of them. And not just the men. But the women... and the children, too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals! I HATE THEM! Padme(paraphrased): Oh, Annie! Wanton slaughter makes me sooooo hot for you! I still recall a bit from Legends of Tomorrow where the characters are under assault from the genetic copies of one of the other characters and Ray says, "This is the second worst attack of the clones I've ever seen."
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Arglebargle III posted:I'm so tired of all these star wars. Well, suck it up, buttercup. The season finale of The Madalorian comes a week from now.
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TheGreatEvilKing posted:The weird thing to me is not that Hux betrays Kylo, it's that Hux betrays Kylo to the rebels and not Sheev. How is Hux supposed to betray Kylo to Sheev (and I keep wanting to read that name as Skeev, because skeevy)? First, the only one who knows how to get to Exidor is Kylo and Sheev doesn't have a cell phone as far as I can tell. Second, what exactly can Hux do or say to Sheev in terms of betraying Kylo? The only one who knows he's not planning to kill Rey is Kylo. Figure Hux is right. The best way to gently caress over Kylo is to use the Resistance to make him look bad. Unfortunately that didn't work because Hux is kind of dumb. Bad movie or not, Pryde just casually shooting Hux after not buying his clearly bullshit story was hilarious.
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Colostomy Bag posted:I wonder what his color of fur/stripes/patterns/etc. would be. Find out in Star Wars XII: The Fur of Palpatine. For my part I hope Rian Johnson's trilogy picks up twenty or thirty years later with Rey and Finn's clearly mixed race daughter because "gently caress you people with this racial purity bullshit."
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There's a secret deleted scene at the end in which Mrs. Palpatine comes out of the shadows to say, "Good riddance, you cackling fuckwit. Your plans were ridiculously overblown and you were bad in bed. Well, now the real work begins." And it's Shohreh Angdashloo, who disdains Sith powers, preferring to rule through the power of colorful outfits and harsh language.
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PJOmega posted:Does hyperspace/drive/lane skipping exist elsewhere or was it created whole cloth for this movie/ the inevitable motion simulator attraction? In every other Star Wars situation, you have to be completely out of a gravity well to go into hyperspace. One of the ships in the Expanded Universe was an Interdictor Cruiser that could generate an artificial gravity field to yank ships out of hyperspace so they could be attack/boarded in real space. I recall that one of the new Thrawn books (which take place within the Disney canon) used a version of that technology as a plot point. So yeah, "light speed jumping" was bullshit made up for this movie.
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weekly font posted:In the end the last legacy of anakin skywalker is buried in the thing he hates the most: sand. The Alternate Ending of Return of the Jedi: Luke falls to darkness, kills Palpatine anyway and then takes the Death Star with him to destroy every desert planet he can find because gently caress sand! gently caress sand to death! Seriously, let's note that Luke's retirement home was a big-rear end rocky cliff surrounded by water with not a spec of sand in sight.
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Hobo Clown posted:They didn't explain how he survived last time so there's zero reason to think he can't easily come back again. Only next time he has a million star destroyers and even the TIE fighters can blow up planets! I unironically expect something like this to occur. I mean, they've already told us that Palpatine can clone/grow things and also possess other people (under certain conditions, anyway). So there's really no. And also that Force ghosts can use the Force to affect the physical world. So there's really no reason at all why Palpatine can't possess a clone of himself and get right back to putting together some other plan to conquer the galaxy. Then he will fail to put it into motion in a timely manner to allow the Rebellion/Resistance/Revoltianance? a chance to blow it to gently caress and "kill" him again. Say what you will about the MCU but at least they have a deep enough character roster that they won't need to bring back Thanos as their ultimate Bad Guy for their next cycle of movies.
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Tenzarin posted:And star wars has only been improved after its acquisition by Disney. I don't know if this is serious or mockery, but I think that it's generally true. I'm hoping that with the official end of the "Skywalker Saga" room will open up to tell more stories along the lines of The Mandalorian. Maybe stories set in whatever the chaotic aftermath of TRoS happens to be. I wouldn't mind seeing what happens next for Finn, but I'd also be perfectly cool seeing a grown up version of Stable Kid trying to deal with his weird powers and corrupt rear end in a top hat planetary rulers. Hell, I'd like to some kind of Star Wars: Leverage set-up with a team of folks dealing with the criminals and petty tyrants that would inevitably start to rise up with the central authorities both good and bad being laid to waste.
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:I think it's in her video about the live action Beauty and the Beast remake that Lindsay Ellis talks about Disney using those films to try to atone for the criticisms of the older ones. Is this what all that complaining was about? People crapping out about the medal. I couldn't figure out what the deal about that was. At the time I just assumed that it was Han's medal from Death Star I. That after his death it was given to Leia and that after her death (and Ben's), she willed it to Chewbacca.
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2house2fly posted:He didn't want Luke to strike him down at all, he wanted Luke to strike down Vader, then Palpatine would get a new apprentice with two arms and legs Who also didn't smell like "feet wrapped in leathery burnt bacon" Hollywood executive Palpatine is the best Palpatine.
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