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FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Rochallor posted:

and also Snoke was probably Rey's father or maybe Palpatine's son or likely both.
Snoke being a hosed up clonevat failure of Sheev to un-gently caress his Golden Thone-rear end body is so loving funny.

I really wish he had actually been some giant. Would have been an interesting contrast and situation.

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FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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2house2fly posted:

The plan was to show that anyone can be a superhero. Not everything is setting up an insane epic plot twist, some things just exist to exist on their own
Thanks to TROS we now know he was... uh... great-nephew? To... uh.... Mace Windu!

No one is just some rando force user.

No one's mentioning that Sheev's kid was like "No. gently caress you space dad! All you do is pay attention to your sith gimp. I'm not taking up the family business. I'm going off to nowheresville."

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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muscles like this! posted:

Kind of weird that they don't follow up the whole "Finn was about to tell
That was 100% stupid JJ mystery bullshit meant to launch a thousand thinkpieces.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Mandrel posted:

it’s dope. Qui Gon was a boss.
For what it's worth, that battle is a whole slice of interesting and dynamic. Park did a great job selling the physicality of Maul. Probably my favorite is when the barriers separate the three and Qui-Gon just kind of zen's out in meditation while Maul paces back and forth like an anxious animal.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Petition to retitle the subtitle on this thread:
The Star Wars Spoiler thread: Sheev FUCKS

PJOmega posted:

Does hyperspace/drive/lane skipping exist elsewhere or was it created whole cloth for this movie/ the inevitable motion simulator attraction?
Half and half. No one just activates the drive because then who the hell knows what you'll Holdo your way through.

Disney already announced that environs from TROS would be in Star Tours, btw.

Dr. Fishopolis posted:

The first 20 minutes don't fit into the act structure in any way shape or form. It's like they took every beat that should have been in episode 2 and tossed them into a "previously on" segment.
Oh my god. This post hits it on the nail. The first bits are literally what JJ's 2nd chapter would have been.

FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Dec 21, 2019

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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cuntman.net posted:

the dead speak!
The text crawl had a certain bombast and pulp that I enjoyed. It's not great but better than Trade Dispute!

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Uncle Wemus posted:

How is it that the entire disney empire couldn't out-merchandise george lucas
The enormous change that the OG Star Wars toys brought to the landscape is what is remembered. Like did anyone really care for the Power of the Force issues in the 90s?
Now it's pretty much "I can get a lightsaber!?"

MJeff posted:

Here's a question.

In TROS, where does JJ's episode 8 end and where does his episode 9 begin?
I think the Sea Fight on the DeathStar2 would be the climax. Ren wouldn't destroy the sith macguffin though.

I think you mash up 50/50 with TLJ to get the sweet spot.
Skip this if you don't want pointless fanfic:
the Rebels are racing against the First Order to find an artifact that could turn the tide. Snoke has trouble reining in Kylo, who is fixated on finding Rey and turning her or defeating her. Rey trains with Luke, Luke burns the temple down to show her that they can't just retread old failures, Rey leaves and Yoda shows up for the bro moment. Holdo/Poe have an ideological fight, Holdo does the lightspeed whammy, and gives them time to escape to a bunker-world. The Salt Planet poo poo happens and Leia steps in with Jedi powers but is incapacitated, prompting Luke to feel the Force for the first time in years. Luke and Kylo fight. The base is destroyed as the rebels make it out with Rey's help.

Snoke berates Ren for seemingly destroying the artifact. He tries to force-magic him to death, discovers Ren is more powerful and Snoke is defeated. Leia recovers and shares a moment with Rey, where she reveals she was trained by Luke and will now help finish Rey's training. In my head, it ends where 9 starts: with Kylo getting the Sith Wayfinder, discovering Not-Korriban holding a Sith Weapon of Unlimited Power and realizing at the end it referred to Palpatine as Sheev's charred and emaciated figure descends on him before the credits roll.

FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Dec 22, 2019

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Everyone posted:

Because I like pointless fanfic, what's the 50/50 mashup of TRoS (in which Johnson and Abrams co-direct/write without killing each other)? Bonus points if Werner Herzog is somehow involved.
I meant a mashup of TLJ/the macguffin chase/Palpatine reveal from TRoS. Basically have the chase as a throughline, cap it with Palpatine, and have bits from TLJ as the sandwich meat.

A Johnson/Abrams treatment for Ep9 would be amazing. With Herzog as the enigmatic First Force User..

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Hobbit trilogy just needed to follow the book. And not be three loving films.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U58IdBjMeS4

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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I fully believe Snoke would have been a Force Clone or Force Possession of Palps had he not died.

Too easy to say "Snoke was an Imperial Loyalist that found secrets hidden away from the Emperor. They twisted his mind and body" etc etc.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Read a fun thinkpiece last night about how Luke's fuckup and critique of the Jedi being arrogant in TLJ ends up being the most salient thing in the whole NuTrilogy.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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It's like... poetry?

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Those things are great because they have to make up poo poo for "looked pretty".

Like Mace Windu went on a Special trial that gifted him the rare Purple Electrum that made his blade purple.

Or that Dooku used a curved handle because he was a sophisticated duelist who required greater control.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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General Dog posted:

It does, but nobody would call that the high point of the movie; they’d call it a desperate attempt to have the audience leave feeling something other than bewilderment at the 150 minutes of nonsense that preceded it.
It's just like the best moment in the prequels was Obi Wan handing Luke off and Double Sunset playing. Except here it seems cheap and forced and ineffective.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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One realizes that if Abrams had just, like, sketched a loving plot outline after TFA with some points here and there, instead of going 'ooooh vague mystery box what can it be tune in 4 years later and find out' we would have been spared a lot of poo poo.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Taear posted:

Lor San Tekka
Fun fact: the Complete Visual Dictionary to The Force Awakens says "known to few, Lor San Tekka is a title bestowed by the mystics of the Ah'braami, signifying Tale Lacking Destination"

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Blood Boils posted:

It's not just Rise that was hacked up by Disney executive committee, all the new films have been.

The blame on Abrams (or whoever) is misplaced
Sure, but if he had actually stuck to any kind of overall plotting for the loving trilogy that wouldn't have been such of a mess. A bunch of poo poo in TFA is just mystery winks to imply storytelling. Why is 3PO's arm red? Who the gently caress are the First Order? Why is Luke in seclusion?

He literally just handed that off without even a halfassed plan so the next guy went "poo poo. Ok lets make some stories" and instead of Luke self-exiling because of fear or shame at letting his students fall, it's "saw a force vision and tried to murk a kid" or "no one gives a poo poo about the rebellion except for the profiteers".

(No knock against TLJ. I liked that poo poo)

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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I kind of wish TFA was framed more like Leia and the rebels being painted as paranoid and written off by the New Republic. Like "ok, sure War Hero, we're going to be threatened by *another* empire. Riiiight" with Rey getting caught up in it and the implication was that she was young and naïve.

Then towards the end they activate Planet Deathstar and everyone loses their poo poo.

The First Order is too established, is what I'm sayin.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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General Dog posted:

Definitely agree with this one
True. It sets up Kylo on a path of being a domineering cult leader but without the quest for Unlimited Powah that Sheev was wound up on. Luke is gone, the Resistance needs to adapt and find a way to fight a guerilla war, and Rey isn't quite a Jedi but is a powerful ally and force user of her own.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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To shield them from the blasts?

duh!

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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porfiria posted:

Someone post the thingy.

Not that thingy, Darth Kneecaps

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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Halloween Jack posted:

If you really cared about the Outer Rim you'd join the Jedi and try to Force push them to the left.
Like it matters which rear end in a top hat sits on some throne 12000 parsecs away from me.

It's either Emperor Slugface takes some sand people from Backwateron and makes them incompetent child soldiers or the Rebs bring a bunch of chairforce jockeys and spice traders in under the guise of "community management" and gently caress up my sector because Mons Mothmom can't lead her way out of a paper bag.

I'm busting my rear end and I get poo poo either way. And YOU KNOW they're all making a mint off of the damned weapons sales!!!

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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well why not posted:

marriage, am I right fellas?
Yeah, but if it wasn't for marriage in this quarantine I'd be loving my own rear end, sob:smith:

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FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

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That poo poo about shoehorning the Skywalker name in is so bad they should have just specc'ed Rey with Force Airstep so she could literally be a sky walker at the end.

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