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gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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Flavius Aetass posted:

prediction:

*leia training rey, rey getting too emotional, yelling about her parents*

"kylo told me my parents were junk traders. that they abandoned me!"

"no, i am your mother"

And Luke was your father. We didn’t yet know so we had to abandon.

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gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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FlamingLiberal posted:

If I'm Disney the first thing I do after TROS comes out is dump Kathleen Kennedy and give someone else who is competent actual creative control

I wouldn't mind them pulling a Terminator Dark Fate

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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But will he turn it over to the Nazi scientist in Argentina?

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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No Mods No Masters posted:

Everyone else was conquered and/or submitted to the first order off screen. I know people have trouble with this because it's insanely stupid but it is literally the first thing stated in the opening crawl

The only theory that is plausible is the one that the First Order is the New Republic turned fascist not an invading foreign military.

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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Angry Salami posted:

There's no such thing as Sith, Palpatine just made them up to play on the Jedi's superstitions. That's why he dropped the whole Sith name and persona as soon as he won. He never told Anakin because he thinks it's hilarious to watch the idiot have to go along with the Sith nonsense.

Sith was a euphemism for force user. The great sith wars where between forces that used the force not some evil empire. The jedi were once force wielding pacifist monks that considered using the force for violence and personal gain to be evil thus the sith. Then they corrupted their dogma to justify becoming agents for a liberal state and kill any one (mostly children) that wield the force yet doesn’t adhere to their rigid dogma.

I just wrote TOR trilogy synopsis.

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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AndyElusive posted:

I demand a Revenge of the Sith Special Edition where I get to watch newly knighted Darth Vader bisect younglings.

funny you should ask https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ8mwFiXlP8&t=790s

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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mastershakeman posted:

Wait what healing power

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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Combat Pretzel posted:

I can't stop watching those Youtube nerds freaking out over all of this.

Doesn’t help that my feed is bombarded by “10 reasons TROS will suck” and “Why Mandalorian ep.X pisses of Woke Folk”

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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Perfect

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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mastershakeman posted:

I was just ruminating on Daisy Ridley's comments about how she had no more childhood privilege than boyega and how this directly manifests in star wars

Leia - raised as a literal princess. Barely able to do any Jedi stuff
Kylo Ren - kid of rebellion heroes, tutored by the most famous Jedi. Has full range of powers but constantly clowned on by opponents, including a non Jedi (Finn) doing better in a fight against him than against a unnamed Stormtrooper (tr8r)
Luke - loving family, but poor. Does pretty well but isn't incredible at any Jedi stuff
Rey - abandoned child, is an all time force user, just awesome
Anakin - chattel slave, becomes most powerful Jedi in history

Essentially Jedi are sardauakar/fremen ,the word your life the better the fighter

Luke was not poor. If anything he was an upper middle-class rural midwestern teen with a Mustang GT T-16 sky hopper

gohmak fucked around with this message at 14:20 on Dec 11, 2019

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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No Mods No Masters posted:

Charitably, the sequels are (unintentionally) about liberal confusion and malaise in the pre-collapse era. Cheers

They’re also about how spirituality marred by dogma and materialism leads to unrighteousness.

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:

The thing is is that the marvel movies are the exception to how Disney runs things, not the rule. Their live action attempts outside of marvel are, aside from a couple success stories, infamous trainwrecks of production and plotting. Pretty much all of their recent remakes are overproduced garbage that gets forgotten immediately, and before that they kept striking out with adaptations like John Carter. Outside of animated films, Disney is just straight up bad at making movies, always have been, and they're kept afloat by nostalgia, the parks, and Marvel. It's just that Star Wars is the first time since Pirates that Disney's general incompetence has been under such scrutiny, and star wars fans are far more vocal and numerous.

forgot Tron. They hosed up Tron

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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BisonDollah posted:

Saw the movie, went back and read the last ten pages of this thread in anticipation of cool and good posts about it.

My god, reddit/redlettermedia has a whole lot to answer for. Star Wars geeks are loving miserable bores nowadays. I just wanna say after the progressive left got smashed in the UK election last week this film felt like a little hot chocolate for the soul. The story is sweet and hopeful, it feels like a feature length version of an 80's Saturday morning cartoon. Space Socialism rules and the Rebels are great good guys, I had fun on their adventure. Zombie Palpatine, force lightning, giant snakes/space horse friends and spaceship lazer battles all hit the mark. I preferred TLJ but I am very satisfied with the conclusion to the Kylo Ren trilogy. Sorry you haven't seen the film and yet feel the need to be the baddest rear end hater on CineD. You all come across very badly.

"There's more of us. Full space Socialism now" - Star Wars

Regards.

What was space socialism about it?

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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porfiria posted:

Yeah JJ was clearly not interested in material or political realities in TFA and it sounds like he’s even less so here. This is kind of a problem because Star Wars I-VI were quite interested in history and politics. Those concerns have been replaced with, uh, nothing.

This is my biggest problem with the ST.

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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MazelTovCocktail posted:

I actually liked it alot it was fun and nice paced by and large. It never got boring. Yeah did a bunch of stuff not make a lot of sense, yes, but oddly it didn't bother me that much. Just had a lot of fun during it. Lots of fan service, but that generally never bugs me fwiw.

It's weird how the visual dictionary is out tomorrow, but the art book and (expanded) novelization isn't until the end of March.

Dare I say you should turn off your brain?

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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This is Star Wars and not one person has talked about the laser swording in this movie. Was it that unremarkable?

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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Golden Bee posted:

The Rey/Kylo fight scenes could’ve been five minute shorter in the first half of the movie. They are evenly matched, that is very easy to show cinematically.

TLJ was a confused movie that was about getting rid of the old Star Wars traditions… And ends with everyone piling onto the millennium falcon.

This is the first comment of anyone speaking on the saber battle at all.

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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This movie was so much worse than I anticipated. I was with it for the first two acts but it fell off a cliff after Han showed up. It’s like they gave up and I wanted to walk out.

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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psyman posted:

In an ironic way, I think all of the mindless bandwagon loathing of the PT on the web and these forums (even still in this thread) is exactly why the sequel trilogy has turned out to be so lame. It really seems to have been designed to spite the prequels by avoiding everything in them, instead of identifying what worked for audiences and combining the strongest parts of the OT with the strongest of the PT.

The prequels had a lot of flaws, wooden acting, etc, but at least Episodes 2 & 3 lived up to the “Wars” part by advancing military science-fiction design with many more interesting planets and vehicles (nothing in the ST matches the Republic Gunships for exciting action scenes) and Ep 3 in particular is still a gorgeous film.

ST has wonderful set designs, cinematography for the non space battle scenes and the banter is quite witty at times. It fails in coherent space battles, interesting lightsaber duels and plot.

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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I pretty sure the movie implied all black babies in the galaxy were made by Lando Calrissian.

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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So what is the magic number this movie needs to hit to
a) make Disney still want to invest in a new trilogy yet
b) not make the same gently caress ups?

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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Why was BB-8 with Rey on Tatooine instead of R2-D2?

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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Shoehead posted:


Hi I just got out of this movie and I'm feelin all kinds of ways. But I'm also glad there is now Star Peace

Like after ROTJ?

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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FlamingLiberal posted:

Rogue One is really the only Disney SW movie with a decent space battle

The ship designs in this trilogy were mostly lazy. Most of it was stuff we had seen before. Or the First Order Star Destroyers which are only slightly different from the OT ones.

Even Rogue One introduced the U-Wing.

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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Raccooon posted:

Next Star Wars movie will have a Jedi deflect a death star shot with a lightsaber lol

May as loving well.

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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Uncle Wemus posted:

I can't believe theres already been 5 disney star wars movies

And only 1 of which was decent.

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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Groovelord Neato posted:

The bad movies imply Palpatine created Anakin during the squid opera scene.

It did no such thing.

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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General Dog posted:

There’s a good circumcision joke tucked away somewhere in here

and a bad trans joke here

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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Larryb posted:

Off the subject, is The Madalorian any good? I don't really know much about it other than the Baby Yoda memes and the fact that it apparently takes place post-ROTJ.

It's excellent.

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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wilderthanmild posted:

Saw it today. It was better than I expected, but disappointing in a lot of ways.

Good things:
The saber fights are really good.
I really enjoyed the whole "force connection" strong enough to pass objects through space thing. Especially that it actually mattered and was used to pass the light saber.
Hux's scene revealing he was the spy and it being entirely based on him being petty about Kylo.
I like the general theme of the resistance a lot this time. It's the one part that really felt like it was carried over properly from TLJ.
If you erase/ignore the whole Rey is a Palpatine part, Rey and Kylo's story and scenes really feel satisfying to me. Kylo redemption, Rey not succumbing to the dark, them joining together to finally bring balance.
Ridley and Driver really carry the movie.

Neutral things:
The emperor being the bad guy is kinda neat in a "There's been one real enemy this whole time" way, but it's really not handled well.
I noticed that they added (more?) female storm troopers, officers, etc. Same with adding more non white officers on the ships. I think all of the Empire/FO officers had been old white men with British accents before this. Maybe I'm wrong though? Not really something I needed, but doesn't bother me either.
Like I don't hate the horses thing that much, but it's so close to being in the bad. I get that they are in atmosphere and not space, but it's just so weird.

Bad:
Rey is a Palpatine. This is unnecessary and dumb. I was a big fan of the direction they were going was a true nobody and not some secret royalty or chosen one.
The ST has had this problem the whole time, but trying to keep one uping the power of the bad guys space fleet is so bad. The sith fleet having so many ships with so many of those guns with more powerful than the death star just feels like some space anime gone off the rails.
This kind of goes with the last one, but how the hell did you have crew and soldiers for this whole fleet out of nowhere? How much time is supposed to pass between the scene at the start where they say they need to recruit and ton of soldiers and the end where this whole fleet is manned?
The space fights in general are bad and incomprehensible to me.
The Knights of Ren were kinda a wet fart, basically could have been exchanged with storm troopers for all but the 20 or seconds or so they fight Kylo at the end.
Finn and Poe kinda felt like dropped plots. Finn in particular seemed like he had some extra arc with Rey they just forgot to completely cut out with that whole "I never told you..." bit. Rose too, but I never felt invested in her so I didn't mind too much.
Maybe it's just me, but their way of cutting in Leia just felt awkward as poo poo.

There's more good and bad, but that's just off the top of my head. I wish we had a better finale, but with some reactions I'd seen I thought this was going to be Season 8 Game of Thrones bad. Instead it's just a flawed movie that felt like it was from a different trilogy than the last 2. I enjoyed it, but it really did leave me wishing we had something better to close this out.

The saber fights were god awful in choreography, cinematography and score. The gently caress movie did you watch?

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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Going back through the PT to test this "The ST makes the PT better in retrospect". Attack of the Clones is a good movie and sits at 4 place after the OT. Fight me.

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:

Sorry, TPM was the best of the prequel abortions.

ATC is a buddy cop movie/crime drama/love story/ war flick.

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:

I’m beginning to think that Star Wars fans don’t actually like Star Wars.

Star Wars fans love good Star Wars like The Mandalorian and some of Rogue One.

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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2house2fly posted:

She wasn't sucked out by the vacuum of space, she was pushed out by air escaping through the hole in the hull :smuggo:

Oh my god stop applying physics to Star Wars.

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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The Little Death posted:

Because JJ and Disney suck at storytelling. They definetely understood the theme of violence begetting violence, since at multiple instances Rey chooses peaceful solutions over fighting, unlike all the other characters. The one time she does use violence, she instantly regrets it and heals Kilo. All of this would seem to be pointing to a climactic confrontation where she chooses not to kill him, and in so doing put an end to this cycle of hatred and darkness. But they couldn't figure out how to do that so instead "he destroys himself" because she was holding the block button and dual-wielding.

You see this has already been done in Return of the Jedi by Luke. It failed so Rey had to fix everything.

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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2house2fly posted:

It's maybe more correct to say that Adam Driver is the best actor in the entire franchise.

Ewan McGregor, Ian McDiarmid and Samuel L. Jackson would like to have a word with you

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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C-Euro posted:

Yeah where the gently caress was my green lightsaber? Cowards.

Luke flashbacks. Any one noticed Luke is wearing a Hakama and Leia in his black ROTJ suite when she pawns him in sparring? I’m sure they intended to trick the audience into to a role reversal but it goes by to quickly to care.

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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Pollyanna posted:

Take this with a boulder of salt, but there are more details coming out on how this movie was put together.



None of that saves this movie. Even with tighter editing and better crafted context to plot points its a crap story arc.

gohmak fucked around with this message at 08:24 on Jan 2, 2020

gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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Pollyanna posted:

What’s the current narrative around TROS right now in the general public, anyway? Masterpiece, flawed romp, disaster?

forgettable

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gohmak
Feb 12, 2004
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John Wick of Dogs posted:

Disney mandate: Season 2
Din Djarin comes into possession of Anakin Skywalkers lightsaber, it was salvaged by Kwiil in Cloud City and he left him a message on the ship about it's location and his knowledge of Jedi before he died. He must get it at the end of episode 1, fight Moff Gideon with it in the last episode, and deliver the saber to Maz Kanata in exchange for information on The Child's homeworld.

You kid but we know these will happen.

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