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SUPERMAN'S GAL PAL posted:Word choice. This was actually done on purpose. It's fanservice for the EU fanboys, the whole thing is a meta-reference to Aaron Allston, Troy Denning, and Karen Traviss' EU series "Legacy of the Force," where each book was devoted to completely retconning and assassinating the favorite characters of whoever wrote the previous book. It's a really genius level reference, and as an EU fan I appreciate it.
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The Little Death posted:All this does is ruin the force thought, because it turns it from a mystical state achieved through meditation and contemplation to a mutant superpower. This was the status quo. You already had to be born with powers to be a force user, it wasn't something anyone with spiritual will could do. TLJ didn't change that at all. Even if Rey was just born lucky, that's the same backstory as every single non-Anakin prequel jedi. I would have loved it if TLJ had changed that, but it didn't. Luckily, rise of Skywalker did, by having a regiment of normal people who weren't born with mutant powers (stormtroopers) change their lives based on a religious feeling that bound them together.
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ungulateman posted:the dagger pointing to the exact spot on the wreckage isn't actually that bad, because that is how the force works, except the dagger doesn't look or feel enough like something that should be able to do that. it's a failure of imagination on jj abram's part not to make it more obviously mystical. The point is that the dagger isn't mystical. It's a normal rear end puzzle that you don't use the force to solve, you use a robot and a tiny robotics specialist. The force contributes nothing to understanding the dagger. The entire structure of the movie is set up so that the moments when normal humans / aliens could have achieved victory through their own efforts, that victory is thwarted by their own allied force manipulators. The first order could have ended the whole rebellion by turning their turbolasers on Kimiji. But Kylo Ren is interested in finding an apprentice, so they don't and the heroes escape. The special forces of the rebellion could have made it off the desert planet easily, but Rey decides that it's a better time to fight Kylo Ren. The rebellion fleet could have achieved full victory over the Final Order fleet, except that Palpatine ends up with ultimate power because Rey just has to face him one on one and uses that power to shock the ships, etc. Just so, the dagger is a mundane puzzle solved by people. People use it to find the next part of the treasure. Their force manipulator tricks them and goes to get the treasure, resulting in it's destruction. Mormon Star Wars fucked around with this message at 12:25 on Dec 29, 2019 |
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No Mods No Masters posted:Ah to be a fly on the wall when pablo was told he was going to have to justify light speed hopping to the faithful. I guess there's a decent chance he's just checked out at this point and who can blame him He checked out months ago; figured out he could run a blockchain on himself to block everyone that followed him.
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TheLoquid posted:
One of the most foundational aspects of cults is trying to separate you from your peers and family. You can see this in countless modern examples, from the wacky 1960s hippie cults to more modern and weird Molyneux alt-right stuff asking you to cut off your parents. They do this for a specific reason - if you have connections with people outside the cult, you might let doubt about the cult creep into your life. It's fairly clear from the movies that this is the same reason that the Jedi remove Anakin from his group of friends and discourage him from talking to his mother. If he talks to people from his old life, he might start to doubt that defending slavery and prosecuting a war are wrong. Having peers and family connections would corrupt him. That he lacks them is intentional - his search for an outside connection is what drives him, but this is characterized as being a moody teenager instead of a legit response in the second prequel movie. This is also why his "friendship" with Kenobi isn't real. Kenobi is the youth pastor of the cult who is supposed to make sure the members stay in the fold - he is just doing his job, and is a true believer, so of course he considers himself the friend of Skywalker. He wants to help him stay in the cult! But for Anakin, his role is the enforcer. You can be friendly with him, and even have a good relationship while you are a believer - but if you doubt, he is also the one that is watching you and going to report you. Giving Anakin friends and peers and outside relationships would totally defeat the point that the Jedi Order, as it existed, was built around making sure their initiates didn't have those things. You can't brainwash someone with friends and peers, and that's why we see purposeful alienation as a feature of cults to this day. quote:
This is very interesting if you have grown up in a cult like environment. Anakin as a kid who is basically indoctrinated and forced to hang out with his youth pastor is definitely relatable to a lot of people. Mormon Star Wars fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Apr 21, 2021 |
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MonsieurChoc posted:They jettisoned the old EU, only to remake it somehow even worse. It's amazing. Remade it Better. this is a better background for Snoke than anything else. It redeems his character even more than his portrayal as a goofy gardener in the previous comic.
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Mr. Grapes! posted:They can quote about it, but it doesn't really translate to the screen much beyond the aesthetics of Organized Military vs Rabble. They hit on the American Revolution and Vietnam because those are events that the average audience member has heard of, but they borrow nothing from those wars beyond some vague aesthetics. If they really cared about selling that idea than they probably shouldn't mix it up with all this Nazi imagery if they really wanted you to think of the Empire as the US.... or as Britain. It isn't even kept straight in the same sentence. There is a senator in the Clone Wars that advocates for occupying a desert planet ostensibly to "fight terrorists" but who is actually lobbying for a corporation that will profit from a prolonged occupation. The name of the senator is Halle Burtoni
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