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MockingQuantum
Jan 20, 2012




Gun Saliva


Yeah I remember reading about it after I dropped the book, and while it does go some length to explain the "why" of the book, I don't think it changes my opinion of it much. I just felt like I couldn't tell who the book was intended for, there were moments that felt less like it was recounting these horrifying events and highlighting how terrible it was that these boys would do absolutely abhorrent things because they'd been given permission by an adult, and felt more like the book was wallowing in the extreme nature of the events. Obviously there's an audience for that kind of thing, and shock and extreme horror are real things with some kind of an audience, I'm just not it.

Honestly it might just be an area of horror that I'll never have much interest in, I kinda felt the same way to a much lesser extent about Misery, and I'm normally fine with King. I think I personally just have a harder time reading more "realistic" horror fiction, I prefer supernatural or fantastic horror over books that just center around how terrible humans can be to each other. I can read the news and get plenty of that.

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MockingQuantum
Jan 20, 2012




Gun Saliva

Gonna double-post because this is unrelated: I just read Dennis Etchison's "They Only Come Out at Night" in The Weird and I really liked it in a way I can't put my finger on just yet. Has anybody read much Etchison? I hadn't heard of him before, and I'm curious how that story compares to the rest of his work. It seems like he was active at least through the early 2000s but has sort of dropped off of the radar since.

StonecutterJoe
Mar 29, 2016


nate fisher posted:

Glamorama was also torture to finish (I am not sure how I feel about it overall). I felt like it just droned on and on. I say this as someone who enjoyed a few of Ellis' works.

Fake edit: Roger Avary was going to make Glamorama into a film? I thought he did ok with The Rules of Attraction, and the whole Victor Ward European sequence was amazing. Reading Wiki, that sequence was an actual a movie that was suppose to bridge The Rules of Attraction with Galmorama. It has only been shown at private screenings due to the the film being ethically questionable.

I think Glamorama could make for a great movie in the same way that American Psycho made a great movie: by another creator using the raw material to make something excellent with. AP the movie only borrows the bones of AP the book and turns it into a black comedy, but drat, it's a good black comedy.

Crimpolioni
Mar 9, 2014



StonecutterJoe posted:

I think Glamorama could make for a great movie in the same way that American Psycho made a great movie: by another creator using the raw material to make something excellent with. AP the movie only borrows the bones of AP the book and turns it into a black comedy, but drat, it's a good black comedy.

I like AP better as a movie probably but AP the book is deliberately comedic and absurd too

remigious
May 13, 2009

Destruction comes inevitably


Hell Gem

Crimpolioni posted:

I like AP better as a movie probably but AP the book is deliberately comedic and absurd too

I heard somewhere (maybe IMDb?) that glamorama probably will not be translated to a movie because the basic plot is too similar to Zoolander. Which is really bizarre to think about because tonally they are VERY different.

escape artist
Sep 24, 2005

Slow train coming


The Wasp Factory and Glamorama are two books I couldn't finish. They bored the hell out of me.

(And I've read everything Ellis has written besides Glamorama and Informers. I consider myself a fan, even if he is a piece of poo poo person.)

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

I think this is a pretty good draft class overall. It's really shaping up that way because of the water types.


my big issue with ellis is that all the ideas and themes he is obsessed with are just so utterly boring and pointless

A Wild Animal
Dec 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN


MockingQuantum posted:

Gonna double-post because this is unrelated: I just read Dennis Etchison's "They Only Come Out at Night" in The Weird and I really liked it in a way I can't put my finger on just yet. Has anybody read much Etchison? I hadn't heard of him before, and I'm curious how that story compares to the rest of his work. It seems like he was active at least through the early 2000s but has sort of dropped off of the radar since.
Etchison wrote beautiful Prose and had decent Ideas; but his Misogyny ruins his work. He can only tolerate Women if they are sleeping or dead. Every Story drips with it; every Female Character is depicted in the most vicious and contemptuous way; it appears his Honest Belief that every single Female on Earth is useless, nasty, manipulative, violent, vacuous, shallow, clingy, murderously vengeful and stupid, all at once, and in fact that is the Root Of All Horror. I have a high tolerance for Misogyny in Horror due to prolonged Exposure to such; but never the less Etchison's Work leaves me feeling dirty, disgusted and personally attacked in a way that few Others achieve. I am un surprised that he committed Suicide and that his Wife did not seem particularly distressed by the Loss.

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019
Probation
Can't post for 8 hours!


I want a rec of a book thatís like Bob Lemans writing style, especially Window and Instructions. Wanna mindwipe myself so I can enjoy it again lol, but thatís impossible

Untrustable
Mar 16, 2009

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!


People Live Still in Cashtown Corners by Tony Burgess is probably one of the best books I've read in the last year. It's just so weird. Any of his other stuff worth checking out?

OpenSourceBurger
Sep 25, 2019


Could someone maybe give me a basic idea of the ending of Universal Harvester? So, it seems like the videos were some sort of interrogations regarding the cult that the one woman's mother left for. Was that it? It seems like this whole thing was leading to some huge revelation of horror but....nothing Am I right?

tight aspirations
Jul 13, 2009



OpenSourceBurger posted:

Could someone maybe give me a basic idea of the ending of Universal Harvester? So, it seems like the videos were some sort of interrogations regarding the cult that the one woman's mother left for. Was that it? It seems like this whole thing was leading to some huge revelation of horror but....nothing Am I right?

Yeah, that's the impression I got too. I think it was more cult deprogramming than interrogation though.

C2C - 2.0
May 14, 2006

Dubs In The Key Of Life


Lipstick Apathy

Untrustable posted:

People Live Still in Cashtown Corners by Tony Burgess is probably one of the best books I've read in the last year. It's just so weird. Any of his other stuff worth checking out?

This looks cool but I don't see it in eBook form. Amazon has the paperback for like $30 which seems like a lot for 170 pages.

MockingQuantum
Jan 20, 2012




Gun Saliva

Untrustable posted:

People Live Still in Cashtown Corners by Tony Burgess is probably one of the best books I've read in the last year. It's just so weird. Any of his other stuff worth checking out?

I haven't read any of his books but I can at least say that the movie Pontypool is based on one of his books, is extremely weird as well, and is at least worth a watch.

High Warlord Zog
Dec 12, 2012


I'm trying to think of the name and author of a book that came highly recommended to me a while ago about a lone woman exploring in a cave slowly realising that something else might be down there with her. Any ideas?

Doctor Faustine posted:

Anyone got good recommendations for historical horror/horror-adjacent novels? I particularly like anything to do with witches and witch trials. Iíve already tried Speaks the Nightbird by McCammon and bounced off of itóthere is a good 300 page novel in there, but I thought it was pretty bloated as it stood:

John Crow's Devil by Marlon James. And from the same author in a different slightly different genre: A Brief History Of Seven Killings, which is a James Ellroy American Tabloid type book, but an exceptionally violent one and so detailed in it's violence to the point that it tips over into horror in places.

From McCammon try, The Wolf's Hour, a werewolf vs Nazis romp from the earlier pulpier splatterier part of his career.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.



Grimey Drawer

High Warlord Zog posted:

I'm trying to think of the name and author of a book that came highly recommended to me a while ago about a lone woman exploring in a cave slowly realising that something else might be down there with her. Any ideas?
The Luminous Dead?

I wouldn't classify McCammon's werewolf books as horror, to be honest; they're basically James Bond pastiches.

anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 10:52 on May 27, 2020

Owlkill
Jul 1, 2009


MockingQuantum posted:

Unrelated, but has anybody read Ted Klein's The Ceremonies?

I'm currently about 90% of the way through it, overall I'm enjoying it but I felt like the first half was a bit too slow for my taste - so much so that I put it down a couple of months ago when I was just over halfway through and only just felt like picking it up again and ploughing through to the end.

The second half seems better paced though, the ramping up of tension was just a little too glacial for me in the first half.

Also, some of the writing definitely dates it, Klein keeps talking about "blacks".

High Warlord Zog
Dec 12, 2012


anilEhilated posted:

The Luminous Dead?

Yes, that's it. Thanks.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

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anilEhilated posted:

I wouldn't classify McCammon's werewolf books as horror, to be honest; they're basically James Bond pastiches.

Plural? I didn't know there was a sequel to The Wolf's Hour.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.



Grimey Drawer

Jedit posted:

Plural? I didn't know there was a sequel to The Wolf's Hour.
IIRC there's a collection of short stories featuring the character.

Untrustable
Mar 16, 2009

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!


C2C - 2.0 posted:

This looks cool but I don't see it in eBook form. Amazon has the paperback for like $30 which seems like a lot for 170 pages.

Weird. I bought it on Kindle for like 99 cents.

C2C - 2.0
May 14, 2006

Dubs In The Key Of Life


Lipstick Apathy

Untrustable posted:

Weird. I bought it on Kindle for like 99 cents.

Weird. Still only showing the paperback for me.

Untrustable
Mar 16, 2009

Goodness no, now that wouldn't do at all!


Yeah I just checked. What the hell? I'm gonna email Tony Burgess.

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Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

Pew pew!



Untrustable posted:

Yeah I just checked. What the hell? I'm gonna email Tony Burgess.

The publisher, ChiZine, imploded in spectacular fashion last year and most of their authors pulled the rights to their work.

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