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pospysyl
Nov 10, 2012

SO EMBARRASSING



Just finished up Bonding by Maggie Siebert, which you can find here courtesy of Siebert herself:

https://twitter.com/maggiecsiebert/status/1412948010594672643

Contentwise, the stories have a running theme of traumatic body horror, but tonally they run the gamut between conceptual satire, cosmic horror, and splatterpunk. The stories are short and punchy too. Highly recommended.

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No. 1 Juicy Boi
Jun 1, 2003

#1 JUICY BOY



Buglord

You had me at cosmic horror and splatterpunk

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007


Fallom posted:

Question about the ending of Carrier Wave:

If the humans left alive to repopulate the earth are the ones who can synthesize their own concepts like justice and such without help, then wouldnít their offspring be immune to a follow-up of the kind of attack that the four beings launched with the signal? The embodiment of Justice said he wanted to plant a seed for a future harvest, if possible, but the beings seemed to undermine their own ability to repeat the harvest by being so indiscriminate.

Maybe the farming metaphor goes deeper than I thought!

the ending is an "all bets are off" thing either way, since it's outside the usual cycle intended by the Four. the Judge was supposed to flip sides and extinguish the human race for good because the other three got into its territory and went "base," but the surviving humans went "gently caress you actually" and severed all of the Four's connections at once with the nuke. at best they've been banished for good, at worst they're drifting out in space again with a population that knows about their cycle and how to educate against it

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010







Gun Saliva

pospysyl posted:

Just finished up Bonding by Maggie Siebert, which you can find here courtesy of Siebert herself:

https://twitter.com/maggiecsiebert/status/1412948010594672643

Contentwise, the stories have a running theme of traumatic body horror, but tonally they run the gamut between conceptual satire, cosmic horror, and splatterpunk. The stories are short and punchy too. Highly recommended.

This is pretty good

No. 1 Juicy Boi
Jun 1, 2003

#1 JUICY BOY



Buglord

SniperWoreConverse posted:

This is pretty good

Yeah I'm halfway through and the stories have all been average to great, no real stinkers so far.

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010







Gun Saliva

We need to elect a new prime minister.

Good Citizen
Aug 12, 2008



Oxxidation posted:

the ending is an "all bets are off" thing either way, since it's outside the usual cycle intended by the Four. the Judge was supposed to flip sides and extinguish the human race for good because the other three got into its territory and went "base," but the surviving humans went "gently caress you actually" and severed all of the Four's connections at once with the nuke. at best they've been banished for good, at worst they're drifting out in space again with a population that knows about their cycle and how to educate against it

I read the Four as concepts and not truly 'killable', and humanity as eventually hosed, unless the immunity that the survivors had was genetic. Even with proper education, imagine anyone with enough motivation had a nuke that could eliminate humanity just by searching out some old hard drives. Once the cycle kicks off that's pretty much it for humanity. The best possible situation humanity can hope for is that the immunity is genetic and then the survivors can track down anyone who survived through methods like the costco colony and kill them all.

Fallom
Sep 6, 2008



Good Citizen posted:

I read the Four as concepts and not truly 'killable', and humanity as eventually hosed, unless the immunity that the survivors had was genetic. Even with proper education, imagine anyone with enough motivation had a nuke that could eliminate humanity just by searching out some old hard drives. Once the cycle kicks off that's pretty much it for humanity. The best possible situation humanity can hope for is that the immunity is genetic and then the survivors can track down anyone who survived through methods like the costco colony and kill them all.

That was an alternative I thought about but I think the immunity must be genetic, because the rage maniacs were said to be base humans without any gifts whatsoever. Since no more gifts are coming and we know humankind made it their offspring must be chill.

On a related note, are there any other books that have the same kind of format of short, related vignettes? The only other example I can think of is World War Z.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005






I don't think Carrier Wave holds up to close scrutiny, but I'm usually ok with that in stories as long as the finer details aren't really crucial for the story.

Fallom
Sep 6, 2008



Oh yeah I just think itís fun to think about. The logic of the world isnít really the part worth criticizing since the pace is fast enough you donít really dwell on it.

I finally remembered the book that seemed fairly similar in concept and execution:

The Testimony by James Smythe

quote:

A global thriller presenting an apocalyptic vision of a world on the brink of despair and destruction. What would you do if the world was brought to a standstill? If you heard deafening static followed by the words, ĎMy children. Do not be afraidí? Would you turn to God? Subscribe to the conspiracy theories? Or put your faith in science and a rational explanation? The lives of all twenty-six people in this account are affected by the message. Most because they heard it. Some because they didnít. The Testimony Ė a gripping story of the world brought to its knees and of its people, confused and afraid.

Good Citizen
Aug 12, 2008



pospysyl posted:

Just finished up Bonding by Maggie Siebert, which you can find here courtesy of Siebert herself:

https://twitter.com/maggiecsiebert/status/1412948010594672643

Contentwise, the stories have a running theme of traumatic body horror, but tonally they run the gamut between conceptual satire, cosmic horror, and splatterpunk. The stories are short and punchy too. Highly recommended.

Read this and itís a nice quick read for being free. Most of the narrators felt unreliable since it seems almost all of them are in the process of going insane in some way. My biggest complaint is that a few of the stories cut off right when they seemed like they were going to get really interesting.

Itís a really quick read so pick it up if you want an odd collection of relatively shorter than usual short stories for free

No. 1 Juicy Boi
Jun 1, 2003

#1 JUICY BOY



Buglord

Yeah I'd say the stories range from 2/5 to 4.5/5 stars. There's some really good hits and a couple misses. But for being a free quick read I really enjoyed it.

I think Every Day For The Rest of Your Life was my favorite story, even though it was very uncomfortable.

MLSM
Apr 3, 2021



A friend suggested Carrion Comfort by Dan Simmons. I think Iíll give it a shot?

nate fisher
Mar 3, 2004

We've Got To Go Back


MLSM posted:

A friend suggested Carrion Comfort by Dan Simmons. I think Iíll give it a shot?

Itís not bad (about 20 years ago for me), but I preferred his other works like Summer of Night (it is IT without the adult stuff and I might like it more than IT), Drood, and of course The Terror. Also is sci-fi stuff is great, but I wouldnít read anything he has written since Drood. As I said before 9/11 + Obama in 08 getting elected broke his mind.

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010







Gun Saliva

Any good vampire stuff I can get for free?

Weird old pre-Dracula stuff would be better, but that might be a bit of an ask, at that point I'm kinda looking for actual folklore and dunno if there's good free collections

Bonaventure
Jun 23, 2005



SniperWoreConverse posted:

Any good vampire stuff I can get for free?

Weird old pre-Dracula stuff would be better, but that might be a bit of an ask, at that point I'm kinda looking for actual folklore and dunno if there's good free collections

for free?

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/29412/29412-h/29412-h.htm

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/62873/62873-h/62873-h.htm

you might be able to find The Vampire in Europe and The Vampire: His Kith and Kin by noted pedophile Montague Summers somewhere on the internet but i think they might still be under copyright

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG!!!




Bleak Gremlin

Last month's BotM Can Such Things Be? by Ambrose Bierce has some nice turn of the (previous) century horror to it. Very cozy, folksy feel to it, very Americana. Apparently he was an influence on Lovecraft?

DreamingofRoses
Jun 27, 2013


Nap Ghost

So Iím listening to North American Lake Monsters again. I listened to it before but never finished the very last story, now Iím stuck on Crevasse because of dog death. It keeps striking me how the most horrific part of each story isnít the blatantly Ďhorrorí bits, but the mundane emotions and reactions to them.

These stories are so good, they make my stomach hurt.

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

Pew pew!



I started Carrier Wave last night.

Did the first 20% really need to be a false start? Like everything before War Machine could be cut (or at least so it seems right now).

No. 1 Juicy Boi
Jun 1, 2003

#1 JUICY BOY



Buglord

DreamingofRoses posted:

So Iím listening to North American Lake Monsters again. I listened to it before but never finished the very last story, now Iím stuck on Crevasse because of dog death. It keeps striking me how the most horrific part of each story isnít the blatantly Ďhorrorí bits, but the mundane emotions and reactions to them.

These stories are so good, they make my stomach hurt.

Ahhhhhh the last story is the best one of the bunch!! Oh my gosh, you need to finish it!

---

I just finished Gone to See the River Man by Kristopher Triana and it was... fantastic. Emotionally and viscerally gut-punching the whole way through, but holy hell what a great read it was.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005






DreamingofRoses posted:

So I’m listening to North American Lake Monsters again. I listened to it before but never finished the very last story, now I’m stuck on Crevasse because of dog death. It keeps striking me how the most horrific part of each story isn’t the blatantly ‘horror’ bits, but the mundane emotions and reactions to them.

These stories are so good, they make my stomach hurt.

I keep meaning to buy a physical copy because I liked it so much.

SniperWoreConverse
Mar 20, 2010







Gun Saliva

Bonaventure posted:

for free?

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/29412/29412-h/29412-h.htm

https://www.gutenberg.org/files/62873/62873-h/62873-h.htm

you might be able to find The Vampire in Europe and The Vampire: His Kith and Kin by noted pedophile Montague Summers somewhere on the internet but i think they might still be under copyright

I started mining these for info and have so far been able to disregard the pedo writer so so far so good, thanks

I like how that old times poo poo is basically batshit insane. Modern vampire ideas are too coherent and imo part of what makes them scary is not that they're just illogical -- rub garlic problem solved -- but that they follow this weird alternate non-logic like ok if you are travelling at night and stop to rest and arrange your items in a specific way the vampire cannot come out but it will try to come out and talk to you and you can compel it to do different things via wordplay.

Untrustable
Mar 16, 2009







The Hollow Ones by T. Kingfisher was $1.99 so I picked that up. So far it's...ok. The main character is obviously a self-insert who keeps making observations about the internet fanfiction community.

I also picked up The Final Girl Support Group and haven't started if, but I have high hopes based on Grady Hendrix' previous output.

Bonaventure
Jun 23, 2005



SniperWoreConverse posted:

I started mining these for info and have so far been able to disregard the pedo writer so so far so good, thanks

in spite of his membership in some society that promoted certain ideals of 'greek' love, his books are good & insane and should stay on the radar

writing in the 1910s-40s; he believed vampires are real, and lobbied the british government to reinstate the death penalty for witchcraft. his books contain entire pages of untranslated Ancient Greek, German and Latin, because he expects the reader to know them

described by contemporary critics as "as learned as he is stupid," every piece of quoted research in his books is solid--an absolute treasure trove of folklore that can provide a multitude of jumping-off points for further research--while every bit of his own prose is florid grand guignol horror fiction mixed with ultraconservative religious psychosis and the exact kind of rambling, spurious comparative folklore connections that he criticized in Margaret Murray's "witch cult" book.

he also pretended to be a catholic priest.

very entertaining

Roth
Jul 9, 2016



Oil change took a long time, and I ended up reading a good chunk of Stephen King's Carrie on my tablet today.

It's written in an interesting way imo, like a chronicle of a investigative journalist piecing things together after the fact. I haven't gotten to the Prom yet, but I presume it plays out similarly to the movie.

Paddyo
Aug 3, 2007


Ornamented Death posted:

I started Carrier Wave last night.

Did the first 20% really need to be a false start? Like everything before War Machine could be cut (or at least so it seems right now).

The more I think about it the dumber that book gets. It's like The Walking Dead.

MockingQuantum
Jan 20, 2012





I ended up enjoying Carrier Wave when all was said and done, but my god did it drag. It could have been significantly shorter, I'd agree that most of the stories before War Machine could have been cut with no real impact, maybe just one story that establishes the conceit. A lot of the stories felt like the treaded the same ground, and the mood was pretty inconsistent in a way that I think hurt the book overall.

Like a lot of ambitious horror from (I assume) new writers, I think it had some really cool ideas that weren't executed well. Though I guess that's hardly a problem unique to new horror writers, either.

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

Pew pew!



I'm a bit under 50% and stalling. I can kind of see where things are going and I dig it, but based on what I've read of the book and comments from folks that have finished it, I know it's going to be long, meandering journey.

MockingQuantum
Jan 20, 2012





Ornamented Death posted:

I'm a bit under 50% and stalling. I can kind of see where things are going and I dig it, but based on what I've read of the book and comments from folks that have finished it, I know it's going to be long, meandering journey.

I definitely had to kind of muscle through after the 50% point. It has some high point moments but I wouldn't blame anybody for dropping the book. It just takes way too long to get from point to point, and too much is repeated or rehashed for no real reason. I doubt I'll ever re-read it and I can't see myself recommending it to anybody, but I still ended up feeling like the interesting bits were enough to propel me though it. After I finished I ended up just telling my wife the cliff notes version of the story and she said "wow, that sounds like a really interesting apocalyptic horror kind of thing" and my response was basically "you'd think so, yeah"

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG!!!




Bleak Gremlin

Whereas I thought each retelling from different perspective filled in some additional information and set up the concluding chapter well. But apparently I have a lot of tolerance for bullshit

Good Citizen
Aug 12, 2008



As a fan of themed anthologies I really liked multiple perspectives on a universal disaster. My only complaints with the story were based around the writerís attempt to wrap up all of the loose ends and the abandonment of interesting storylines/characters

Big Mad Drongo
Nov 10, 2006







Grimey Drawer

I'm like a year late to the party but The Only Good Indians was really good. The first section was the strongest (which seems to be the norm for horror for me, evil forces tend to become less scary as they become more familiar), but it stayed strong overall to the end.

MLSM
Apr 3, 2021



nate fisher posted:

Itís not bad (about 20 years ago for me), but I preferred his other works like Summer of Night (it is IT without the adult stuff and I might like it more than IT), Drood, and of course The Terror. Also is sci-fi stuff is great, but I wouldnít read anything he has written since Drood. As I said before 9/11 + Obama in 08 getting elected broke his mind.

Can you elaborate on this?

Iíll still give Carrion Comfort a shot, though.

nate fisher
Mar 3, 2004

We've Got To Go Back


He wrote a book, Flashback, during the Obama years about a dystopian future where liberalism has destroyed America. It has everything from Muslims killing millions of Jews, conservative radio being banned, global warming is a myth, the military has been dismantled by liberals, Texas has succeeded with its true ĎAmerica valuesí, and so on. Of course all this was caused by the 2008 election of Obama and all the socialist programs he puts in place. Plus letís donít forget Obama Ďs love of Muslims and his hatred of Israel that causes the 2nd Holocaust.

As a longtime Dan Simmons fan I tried to read it with an open mind despite the warnings, but I couldnít finish it. It is anti-Muslim propaganda and a knee jerk reaction to 9/11 and his fear of a black president.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016



I've been reading World War Z, a book I bought years ago when it was getting hyped up and then never actually read.

It's fun enough, but it's incredibly comical how much Israel is portrayed as the heroes and China and Russia are basically mustache twirler level evil. At least the stand in for Bush America is pretty accurate

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009
BUTTS





The China stuff gets ever so slightly less ugh much later, but yeah pretty much. And he definitely is going after the PRC in specific and not Chinese people.

Now the Japanese stuffÖ. loving yikes.

Famethrowa
Oct 5, 2012

The program is not ready, Comrade. I'm still in-Stalin it.

Picked up Negative Space by B.R Yaeger and it's hitting a button I've never had hit in a occult horror. I've never seen the surburban opoid and self harm crisis that happened in the 2000s reflected back. It's... really hard to read but incredible horror.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016



World War Z just had a part where they talk about how cool and good Cuba is now that they have capitalism and Fidel Castro is gone and lol

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009
BUTTS





Don't forget how thankful Cuba is to the American refugees that came and taught them The True Meaning of Democracy.

That book is some pretty cute ideas floating in a very cringe sea.

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Roth
Jul 9, 2016



Xiahou Dun posted:

Don't forget how thankful Cuba is to the American refugees that came and taught them The True Meaning of Democracy.

That book is some pretty cute ideas floating in a very cringe sea.

Yeah, it's interesting when its about dudes getting infected because of infected organ transplants or how there are zombies just wandering the sea floor. Just really neat details in world building that don't pop up in a lot of zombie fiction.

Then it gets really bad whenever they start talking about anything deeper than that. The guy that supported apartheid but was secretly a good person is probably the worst of it.

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