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Thanks for the kudos, friends. I've been working soul-crushing retail/food/RETAIL AND FOOD jobs for so long that my hope of ever escaping was extinguished. Even though I'm going into an assembly line job for now, it's at a reputable company that does offer opportunities to advance and cross-train, so it's not hopeless. I currently work in a mass production bulk store bakery, so I'm already working a line plus ten tons of other bullshit, so really, this is a step in the right direction. I mean, benefits and everything! Skypie posted:If you had electrical experience, I would legit have probably sent you a link to the job opening we have. It's gonna be an enormous bitch to fill because it's 6:30PM - 3:00AM with Wed/Thurs off. Lots of people snub it because they don't wanna work over weekends or holidays.
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That my job is necessary at all is bullshit, but as the world is now, it needs to be done so that people don't massively under/overpay for the stuff we end up shipping to them. I go through building plans to see if there have been modifications (noted and unnoted) that could change how much stuff we have to provide to a job site. The bids to get the contract on a project are almost always calculated from a set of plans that are nowhere near complete, and there is a long time between contracting and final delivery for people to fiddle with all kinds of things in a building. Additonally, these constantly evolving plans are not kept on any kind of standardized or centralized database that all parties can reliably access to get automatic updates, generate reports, etc. We basically get what we get if they even bother to give us anything when we ask for a copy of the latest plans. Were architects and engineers to have functioning policies for revision tracking (read: changelog.txt) or not try to permit, contract, construct and design a building all at the the same time, I would be with the same company but they'd keep paying me to try to get higher scores on speedruns of BridgeBuilderIRL for 45 hours a week. If I hadn't been a useless sadsack of garbage in school and in the rest of my life, I might still be getting paid to go hiking up mountains and through forests to eat my lunch watching beavers and otters slap-fight in a stream. Dreams die hard, so it seems.
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Roumba posted:That my job is necessary at all is bullshit, but as the world is now, it needs to be done so that people don't massively under/overpay for the stuff we end up shipping to them. You poor loving bastard
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Most of the jobs I've had were pretty drat necessary to society. Someone has to wash dishes, dig ditches, deliver pizza, dress up as a monster and scare people, act in plays, wait tables, and install doors and windows. I mean if there was no one to act as security and catch teenagers stealing manga at the anime convention society would fall apart!
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May 18, 2018 15:26
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Jim Barris posted:dress up as a monster and scare people does being a cop pay well?
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Rutibex posted:does being a cop pay well? Working at a haunted house is kind of like being a cop in that every night there is the very real danger a drunk woman might punch you in the chest but the key difference I think is that unlike a cop I wasn't allowed to shoot that woman.
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I am a management consultant specialising in fixing up government departments and agencies. 70 hour weeks, good-Ish pay for the industry and for a company that doesn’t at all comply with the ‘house of lies’ style vibe that is common at other firms. I do not think the work I personally do is bullshit - identifying serious problems and proposing workable fixes for policy areas like child protection, welfare, infrastructure, climate change etc. however, the need for my job would go away over night if a critical mass of people I encounter on projects were even somewhat interested in doing their own jobs. So as an expensive outsourcing service - definitely bullshit. Still less bullshit than my former job which was Tax Lawyer. If you ever want to really really feel like a pathetic leech on society, help big companies pay less tax :/
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Col.Schultz posted:I am a management consultant specialising in fixing up government departments and agencies. 70 hour weeks, good-Ish pay for the industry and for a company that doesn’t at all comply with the ‘house of lies’ style vibe that is common at other firms. No matter what amends you make now comrade, you're still getting the guillotine when the revolution comes for your past discretions
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I’m a nurse in an operating theatre. My job is complete bull poo poo. Most operations are on old people who don’t contribute to society. They just get to consume scarce resources and pollute the planet for a few more years in a parasitic way while moaning all the loving time. On the rare occasion we prolong the life of a young, economically active contributor to society we are only delaying the inevitable. But on the plus side the pays not that bad, it’s indoor work and there is as much overtime as you want.
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General China posted:I’m a nurse in an operating theatre. Ok, trying to meet you where you are and not where I'm coming from, but if they've contributed to society before, why not help them out? Or is this more a "in medical field, am burnt out" kind of thing.
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As a working artist I have this to say: FFFFFFFAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously though, I'm not alienated from my labor and when I perform well I am rewarded by more people wanting to use my labor. It's pretty rad obviously. lovely part? Sometimes you have to do stuff that seems tedious or silly from your perspective to get a got danged gig. My last act had to put together a "press package." Seriously the most retarded thing I've ever. No, I am not going to pose in the road and look moody for a picture. That is dumb and I'll never do it. *stands in road looking moody*
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May 18, 2018 18:36
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Moridin920 posted:yeah, working artists love capitalism in my experience I agree completely regarding people who engage in visual art. Those of us who perform, despite really liking to get paid for it, for lack of a better word feel the compulsion for it. *said a raging narcissist*
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Risky posted:Nurse here. At least you only deal with them a short while. I get them for a whole 12-13 hours. The worst are the drug seekers. They never have insurance and just constantly are on the call light counting down the minutes til their next fix. I had a lady that was on 3 different opiods including a fentanyl patch yell at me because I wasn't there to give her IV morphine because I was down in the ER helping with a code. When I explained where I was she literally did not give a gently caress that I was busy helping someone who was literally DYING. Oh yeah I know where your coming from. I worked 12 hour shifts in a busy hospital as a care assistant, everywhere from ED to CCU, but I settled on a surgical ward. I've spent so many shifts dealing with the most demanding and difficult shitheads. I definitely do not miss that crap. Working codes is fun though.
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Triangle Shirt Factotum posted:Ok, trying to meet you where you are and not where I'm coming from, but if they've contributed to society before, why not help them out? Or is this more a "in medical field, am burnt out" kind of thing. No, it’s a more rational sort of thing. I’m not burnt out and I enjoy my job. It’s a strict cost / benefit analysis. I’ve worked every sort of operation you could imagine. Transplanted organs, fixed eyes, bones, bowels and skin. Reproductive organs, endocrine glands- I’ve done it. It’s all bullshit. The bloke who picks up the bin from outside my house does more for society than me. The only worthwhile thing I ever do is Caesarean sections in an emergency. And most of that is bullshit. Maternal death and live delivery rates have remained constant for years, yet the section rate has gone through the roof.
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Who knows what the people you've saved might go on to do, though. admittedly probably nothing useful in 99.99% of cases
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General China posted:No, it’s a more rational sort of thing. I’m not burnt out and I enjoy my job. I dunno, as a guy who has had his meniscus repaired, I'm pretty happy with the idea of people doing surgery having a non-bullshit job, especially since I can run and lift heavy things again, which is a big quality of life improvement for me. I'm also pretty happy that my dad is still alive, he's had a few heart surgeries. Same for my mom and her cancerous thyroid.  You feel the way you feel, but for my part, the surgery part of medicine has served a pretty drat useful function in my life, and if we collectively lost the ability to do surgery, I'd be out a couple parents, and have bouts of being unable to walk as a flap of torn cartilage sometimes worms it's way into my knee joint.EDIT: Of course there are some pretty shady surgeries going on. Wife told me a story about how a lifetime painseeker (a tremendous rear end in a top hat of a human being from what I heard) got murked by some surgeons doing an unnecessary surgery for a (heart?) infection against the primary team's advice because they tempted her with post-surgery painkillers. The Dipshit fucked around with this message at 20:01 on May 18, 2018 |
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Triangle Shirt Factotum posted:I dunno, as a guy who has had his meniscus repaired, I'm pretty happy with the idea of people doing surgery having a non-bullshit job, especially since I can run and lift heavy things again, which is a big quality of life improvement for me. I'm also pretty happy that my dad is still alive, he's had a few heart surgeries. Same for my mom and her cancerous thyroid. You may have a point. Thanks. Maybe my job isn’t bullshit. But I still believe the blokes who take the rubbish away on the streets are saving society and civilisation much more than me.
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I work in sales so I get the benefit of knowing exactly how much revenue I'm driving into whatever company I'm working for, while also getting the support staff (and sometimes the development staff) insanely upset at me because 'Sales Is Easy, You Guys Don't Actually Do Anything'. Is my job bullshit? No, we usually make our companies a lot of money. But most would say it is in fact bullshit.
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A Fancy Hat posted:I'm in the transportation field and, without my specific job, a lot of things wouldn't get delivered where they're supposed to be. So yeah, I'd say I'm at least somewhat useful. Like food to hungry people?
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Triangle Shirt Factotum posted:I dunno, as a guy who has had his meniscus repaired, I'm pretty happy with the idea of people doing surgery having a non-bullshit job, especially since I can run and lift heavy things again, which is a big quality of life improvement for me. I'm also pretty happy that my dad is still alive, he's had a few heart surgeries. Same for my mom and her cancerous thyroid. i think the moral here is, and im going to fence sit a bit here: of course, it's good on the micro. it was good for you, your parents, and such. its good on the individual basis. peoples lives are drastically changed when modern medicine can intervene on their behalf. however, on the macro scale, does a couple dead elderly people matter to soceity? well, probably not much in the grand scheme of things. as they age and become more feeble, and require more medicine to prop up, it is arguable that their previous interventions were a net loss. of course, this line of thinking can quickly snowball into trite internet nihilism "why save anyone?" "nothing matters" and i don't mean it like that. my father had a big rear end stroke and got hella hosed up but the brilliant neuro team saved his life and i am forever grateful. i love my father and him being alive is a source of great joy for me every single day, one more moment to cherish, one more smile to share, one more laugh to have. i truly understand. but at the same time, i think a sober reflection on distribution of resources is worthy of our time. is my families happiness worth so much?
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I take care of an Alzheimer's patient that's one of the most elderly in the local Tribe of Native Americans. I work three days on, three off, so I have four days off a week unless something important is going on. I cook, clean, do all in-home caregiving stuff, etc. I'm fed when I'm here, get tons of perks, and I'm salaried. My job is definitely not bullshit.
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Smythe posted:i think the moral here is, and im going to fence sit a bit here: I was very cynical about surgery- and it’s easy too do when all you every day for Work is surgery. Trust me - despite my grumpy exterior I do enjoy my job. The 22 year old with the abscess or the 76 year old with the cataracts. I enjoy it at times and it’s nice to make people better. But the nature of Work is alienation. Some kraut bloke called Charles or Karl described this a bit back- doubt that changed a single thing.
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I fight cancers of the blood and every day feels like war against a powerful extraterrestrial foe.
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I think the singlist nice thing I ever did was lie to a patient. I told her that her husband was fine ( he was hosed, but not as much as her ) and that she was absolutely fine and going to live. She died 20 minutes after we injected that propofol. Some times you just gotta hold that hand, give it a squeeze and lie.
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I take care of sick kids. I guess it's all meaningless in a cosmic sense but I enjoy it.
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Smythe posted:but at the same time, i think a sober reflection on distribution of resources is worthy of our time. is my families happiness worth so much? Utilitarianism is interesting but it is kind of ultimately not workable because who decides and by what methods? It's always a matter of resource distribution of course but I posit that it isn't quite a zero sum game where if we save this person then that one has to die. I realize that in this day and age and especially in the USA things are set up like that (that's the nature of a market) but the fault doesn't lie with us giving too much healthcare to the elderly. Plus, we gotta still be human you know? Smythe posted:practitioners in any field should be cynical of their work. it's how we better our world yeah
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I work at a casino and grovel for the rich, they give me tips and it pays well I hate all of the people at the casino, even the nice ones, and that includes myself my job will become obsolete in a matter of a few years - it'll become an automated parttime $10/hr position Casinos are disgusting but life is hard and people need that stress relief/andrenaline rush
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Moridin920 posted:Utilitarianism is interesting but it is kind of ultimately not workable because who decides and by what methods? It's always a matter of resource distribution of course but I posit that it isn't quite a zero sum game where if we save this person then that one has to die. I realize that in this day and age and especially in the USA things are set up like that (that's the nature of a market) but the fault doesn't lie with us giving too much healthcare to the elderly. Working with the elderly cleared up my thoughts about how I want to be handled if I get to "old and infirm" territory. I made my significant other promise to kill me if I ever got Alzheimer's. If I can't recognize people I love I don't want to be around-- it's not healthy for me or them. While I totally understand why people do everything to keep their loved ones alive with the disease it just sounds like a terrible nightmare.
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Recently been able to afford to hire a guy to help w/ various personal projects, and I gotta say helping this dude out as he's struggling to pay for his small family really kinda makes all the bullshit work I've had to do in the last few years worthwhile. Mainly because I completely identify w/ the guy, was in same situation at one time. I got lucky and got a job, and to be able to pass that on and hire someone... it feels good, like, not pointless. Maybe small business ownership is da wei. soy fucked around with this message at 22:32 on May 18, 2018 |
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I cook food in a board game cafe. It is awful. Our menu is a joke, our management is incompetent and since some shareholders purchased a stake in the company all sorts of wildly ambitious plans have been made that are spreading us all way too thin. The creation of 'operations manager' positions in the past year have firmly solidified the salaried management clique and the schism between back- and front-of-house is widening by the day. Top likes to hold our 'generous' tip-sharing initiative as a shining example of how "awesome!" the company is to work for, but really it's a policy that allows them to look great while not spending a cent of company money to improve employee morale. Hours and entire shifts are cut whenever they see a slight downtick in revenue, yet they fail to acknowledge other cost-saving initiatives like adjusting the staff discounts on food (75% for all staff, even off shift), or not hiring/promoting half a dozen people to salaried positions without purpose. Additionally, endemic to the service industry are the multitude of violations of health and safety regulations - we are no exception. I helped open one of their new kitchens (from where I quickly transferred to the old location, because it was an unbearably poorly-designed kitchen and a bitch to work in), and the day the fire inspectors came to test our hood vent suppressors, they hurriedly had their extinguisher tech come in beforehand to actually finish the install of the suppressors. I had been working with fire in that kitchen, in a heritage building, for at least two weeks - buddy shows up and pops the case open on the wall, and there's no loving fire suppressant tank in it. I should have spilled the beans to the fire marshal. At the other location, we have no hood vents so everything is electrical - and naturally, our in-house handyman is incompetent with electrical: He wired a 100A commercial oven/stove to a (max) 60A washer/dryer outlet. The thing had begun to spark and the real electrician we called refused to unplug it until we could find the breaker. When he pulled it out of the wall we realized that it was about a day from starting a fire and burning the building to the ground. Currently I'm standing here working a late-night shift in the kitchen, the kind of late-night shift where I do nothing for the last two hours and all the FOH staff resent me for 'taking their tips'. It is absolutely soul-crushing. I need to get out of this loving place, but I have no idea where else to go - my college diplomas have probably all dried up of usefulness and the only other people I know are cooks with their dreams already crushed. I haven't had a vacation in more than eight years and despite the 'lucrative' tips I make I am still flat broke due to debt. So yeah, my job is loving bullshit.
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Mister Speaker posted:I cook food in a board game cafe.  Hope you didn't go to college for this exciting opportunity lol
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I, too, work in the medical field as a physician assistant. However, I got my start working as a CNA in a cardiac progressive care unit, which is the step between the intensive care unit and med/surg, which mostly contains coherent and likely to recover patients. Our section of the patient population was basically a short jog from death's door most of the time, or some sort of IV drug user who managed to get a blood infection and majorly gently caress themselves up usually through clots of bacteria forming a thrombosis and cutting off circulation to organs/limbs. The amount of money the hospital rakes in keeping the elderly alive is absurd though. The majority of them are incoherent, and basically shells of their former selves through a combination of congestive heart failure and neuro-degenerative diseases. It really opened up my eyes to just how exploitative, and absurd a lot of our health care practices are with advanced age population since we're just keeping a lot of patients on literal life support through a combination of medication and fluids. We'd often have patients who were "frequent fliers" as we liked to call them that basically spent their time confused, and sitting in their own poo poo in between trips to the hospital. For whatever reason, usually family or religious reasons, they're kept alive which leads to them getting better only to be neglected by the various LTC facilities they get sent to after they're stabilized in our unit, which is mostly due to poor wages despite a lack of supply of CNAs in the area, and burnt out amongst the nursing staff. One tip I can give for goons with aging parents is avoid any sort of Consulate run rehab/ltc unit for your folks if possible. They're notoriously lovely with a ton of violations against a lot of units throughout the country. They mostly take in medicare/medicaid patients, and don't have nearly enough staff to deal with the patient load around the clock. Due to their low cost, however, they're often one of the first choices for a lot of families who don't know better or can't afford a better unit. My job now as a clinician at an urgent care is a lot more satisfying since the majority of patients we see are in for some sort of acute event so it's actually satisfying to do in comparison to the cardiac PCU. That job was literally lovely and pissy the majority of the time for what ends up being a drain on both families and the government financially when they're probably better off letting them actually pass away in hospice while providing comfort care to soothe the transition. Communist Q fucked around with this message at 21:36 on May 19, 2018 |
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I find it fascinating that there is a running current among medical staff of "we should just let the sickly olds die" and I don't mean that ironically. Like yeah I get when you have the "my dad had a thing 15 years ago and I'm sure glad doctors saved his life back then!!!" but when it's "this person has been a making GBS threads vegetable for years on end with almost no signs of lucidity but we're keeping them in the hell dimension through medical alchemy at enormous cost" then yeah it kinda seems like maybe we as a society should just let them go.
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Chomp8645 posted:I find it fascinating that there is a running current among medical staff of "we should just let the sickly olds die" and I don't mean that ironically. Do you think the doctors implementing the treatments are bothered by it too? I mean how could we begin to change the current practiced without causing an uproar. A lot of the times family can be half the problem.
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Make the families pay for it out of pocket instead of insurance/healthcare. That would stop it right away.
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I have a legit important job.
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Fancy_Breakfast posted:Do you think the doctors implementing the treatments are bothered by it too? I mean how could we begin to change the current practiced without causing an uproar. I'm going to guess that our society's dislike of death has something to do with it. Instead of accepting that granddad's going to die, mom is going to die, you're going to die, your kids are going to die it's "LIFE IS PRECIOUS WE MUST EXTEND IT AS LONG AS POSSIBLE AT ALL COSTS!!!" except that sometimes the costs aren't worth it. I'm not talking about financial costs, either; it's awful to watch somebody get stuck on life support for years because there's totally a 0.03% chance they'll get better some day, I swear!!!! That's especially true when you can use that medical resource to do something for somebody that actually will recover. America is also sue happy as gently caress and if you don't do absolutely every single possible thing to save somebody's life there are people who will mercilessly sue you for every dime they can get. That's one of the reasons being a doctor sucks; aside from the fact that you get pestered for opiates all day because we're also a society of narcissistic addicts you get expected to work miracles then get blamed when miracles don't happen. ToxicSlurpee fucked around with this message at 22:48 on May 19, 2018 |
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