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Adamant
Jan 30, 2013

I tried solving this one in my head when I got here, but had to break out a piece of paper and a pen and make notes. Didn't meet the peasant, but he seemed fairly unimportant.

But yeah, simple logic puzzle. Others have given the answer, it's 6 and 2.

Adamant fucked around with this message at 19:16 on May 29, 2018

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curiousCat
Sep 23, 2012

Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?

Nakar posted:

So! My insinuation of alternate solutions didn't necessarily mean there was an alternate solution, but as it so happens there was one, and someone nailed it:

Obviously playing dead would work. Why wouldn't it?

:boom:

Wipfmetz
Oct 12, 2007

Sitzen ein oder mehrere Wipfe in einer Lore, so kann man sie ueber den Rand der Lore hinausschauen sehen.
I need help on how to imagine the maze. There are narrow, walled hallways and then suddently there's a house in the middle of a forest. You follow some more hallways and then you arrive at a ... peasant plowing a wide field?

Zanzibar Ham
Mar 17, 2009

You giving me the cold shoulder? How cruel.


Grimey Drawer

Wipfmetz posted:

I need help on how to imagine the maze. There are narrow, walled hallways and then suddently there's a house in the middle of a forest. You follow some more hallways and then you arrive at a ... peasant plowing a wide field?

It's the MadMaze, not the SensibleMaze!

Nakar
Sep 2, 2002

Ultima Ratio Regum

Wipfmetz posted:

I need help on how to imagine the maze. There are narrow, walled hallways and then suddently there's a house in the middle of a forest. You follow some more hallways and then you arrive at a ... peasant plowing a wide field?
I guess there are clearings. The mazes themselves are just sort of artifacts of the Mad One's expanding power and they sort of grow into place and people inside the mazes just learn to deal with them. But it's also not supposed to make sense because it's an actual god of chaos. Things will only get weirder the deeper we go.

The MadMaze is Castlevania, basically.

DGM_2
Jun 13, 2012
What's bugging me is those maps you're showing us. My brain keeps wanting to interpret them as 9*9 rather than 5*5.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Nakar posted:

I guess there are clearings. The mazes themselves are just sort of artifacts of the Mad One's expanding power and they sort of grow into place and people inside the mazes just learn to deal with them. But it's also not supposed to make sense because it's an actual god of chaos. Things will only get weirder the deeper we go.

The MadMaze is Castlevania, basically.

If we find any wallmeat eat it immediately

Whybird
Aug 2, 2009

Phaiston have long avoided the tightly competetive defence sector, but the IRDA Act 2052 has given us the freedom we need to bring out something really special.

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Nap Ghost
So a thing I really want to comment on is the quality of the writing. It's terse, it gets to the point, and it's witty without beating you over the head with how witty it's being.

Compare that to the quality of writing that you're getting in modern RPGs and well...

Zanzibar Ham
Mar 17, 2009

You giving me the cold shoulder? How cruel.


Grimey Drawer
I'm sure Guild Wars 2 represents the best of what modern RPGs can offer in terms of writing quality.

Nakar
Sep 2, 2002

Ultima Ratio Regum
Level One: The Vilest Beast Is Man...ners
In which we learn manners, and grammar, possibly in that order.

We end on a puzzle. Kind of. It's more of a trivia question, I guess.

DGM_2 posted:

What's bugging me is those maps you're showing us. My brain keeps wanting to interpret them as 9*9 rather than 5*5.
Yeah I probably should've added gridlines or redone the maps in Grid Cartographer. I still may. If scanners were a thing that people owned anymore, I might've scanned all the pencil maps I did on graph paper. Now those were confusing messes of odd dimensions.

Whybird posted:

So a thing I really want to comment on is the quality of the writing. It's terse, it gets to the point, and it's witty without beating you over the head with how witty it's being.
Goldberg and Costikyan have a certain style that works well there, but it can definitely get over the top... and it will, now and again. I think they're trying to channel a sort of Jack Vance vibe, with the terse style, brisk and witty dialogue, and occasional streak of curveball erudition. The subject matter of the story too... but not quite yet. Like I mentioned, things are pretty understandable right now, but the deeper one goes into the Maze the stranger the PoPs become. If being accosted by a blacksmith for our poor grammar isn't strange enough already (we're sort of on the "total poo poo" curve of our Hero's Journey arc right now).

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



IIRC, thou/thee/thy were used in informal situations, whereas you/ye were used in more formal ones.

nweismuller
Oct 11, 2012

They say that he who dies with the most Opil wins.

I am winning.
'Thou'' is the old familiar form of 'you', inherited from Germanic languages. Equivalent to German 'du', as opposed to the more formal 'Sie', equivalent to 'you' (which is the only version that has survived in live usage to this day).

Tallgeese
May 11, 2008

MAKE LOVE, NOT WAR


I'm going to go with "it is properly used just as he used it, when asking a question about the word".

Too meta?

Zanzibar Ham
Mar 17, 2009

You giving me the cold shoulder? How cruel.


Grimey Drawer
Is 'who cares' an option?

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

I once had gules and or per checky, but the doctors gave me this special soap and it cleared right up.

Nakar
Sep 2, 2002

Ultima Ratio Regum

Zanzibar Ham posted:

Is 'who cares' an option?


Almost.

ArashiKurobara
Mar 22, 2013
I know thee/thou/etc. were the second-person singular back when "you" was only plural, and trying to fiddle with what sounds natural in my head I think it's nominative case? So you'd use it when a singular person, to whom you are speaking, is the subject of a sentence.

Alternately, yeah, when being a pretentious squink.

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

Nakar posted:



Almost.

Dear God I snorted with laughter.

Also the art of the blacksmith brings back memories of Loom.

Adamant
Jan 30, 2013

nweismuller posted:

'Thou'' is the old familiar form of 'you', inherited from Germanic languages. Equivalent to German 'du', as opposed to the more formal 'Sie', equivalent to 'you' (which is the only version that has survived in live usage to this day).

This is correct. This is one of those facts you often see in those "bet you didn't know this" fact collection files used as filler in TV guides and similar magazines.

nweismuller posted:

(which is the only version that has survived in live usage to this day).

Norwegian still has familiar and polite second person pronoun, but the polite form has become extremely subservient these days and is only really used by waiting staff in fancy restaurants and the like.

Adamant fucked around with this message at 01:11 on May 30, 2018

idonotlikepeas
May 29, 2010

This reasoning is possible for forums user idonotlikepeas!
The thee/thou thing is one of the ones I remembered from when I was a lad, because as a horrible nerd I got it right on the first try.

The Questing Beast is from Arthurian legend. It was pursued particularly by Sir Pellinore, and was more of a chimera monster in the original form. (There are a few different descriptions of it.) T.H. White had Pellinore as a more senile sort of person who'd been hunting for the drat thing all his life, and carried around its fewmets (poops) to show people.

TheGreatEvilKing
Mar 28, 2016





Can we go with never for thou? I'm noticing the educated blacksmith didn't use it in his speech aside from pointing out other people misused it.

idhrendur
Aug 20, 2016

Others have pointed out the historical use of the word, but there are modern uses: hymns. Both old ones, and new ones written to sound old (which is weird but happens). Also, the King James Version of the Bible, which lots of people still insist on using despite it being objectively terrible.

Hey, I never said they were good uses.

Whybird
Aug 2, 2009

Phaiston have long avoided the tightly competetive defence sector, but the IRDA Act 2052 has given us the freedom we need to bring out something really special.

https://team-robostar.itch.io/robostar


Nap Ghost
French still has the plural/singular distinction today, with tu and vous, and the plural vous being used for politeness. There are still echoes of it in modern English when royalty refer to themselves as we.

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



Whybird posted:

French still has the plural/singular distinction today, with tu and vous, and the plural vous being used for politeness. There are still echoes of it in modern English when royalty refer to themselves as we.
Isn't the whole thing about the "royal 'we'" supposed to be that the ruler speaks for the entire country? It's not a politeness thing, it's more "this person is our government".

nweismuller
Oct 11, 2012

They say that he who dies with the most Opil wins.

I am winning.

Adamant posted:

Norwegian still has familiar and polite second person pronoun, but the polite form has become extremely subservient these days and is only really used by waiting staff in fancy restaurants and the like.

I meant in English usage, sorry. German also has familiar and polite second person pronouns, as I said- I was citing German specifically because I at least have some (small amount of rusty) German. From what you said, it appears German usage of familiar and polite is actually more robust than Norwegian, as far as I know- you default to the polite form except with people you are legitimately on familiar terms with.

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



Nakar posted:

Yeah I probably should've added gridlines or redone the maps in Grid Cartographer. I still may. If scanners were a thing that people owned anymore, I might've scanned all the pencil maps I did on graph paper. Now those were confusing messes of odd dimensions.
Please do at least once, I'm having trouble wrapping my head around it as well.

ManxomeBromide
Jan 29, 2009

old school
Thee/Thy/Thou are used for when addressing one person familiarly while also being a pretentious squink. As for which one to use, pretend you're talking about yourself, and...

I: Thou
My: Thy
Me: Thee

They also get the 'art' and 'hast' forms for 'to be' and 'to have', if I remember correctly. As demanded, I didn't check wiki, so I'm going on the memory of Dragon Warrior doing it wrong rargh.

Nakar
Sep 2, 2002

Ultima Ratio Regum

Zereth posted:

Please do at least once, I'm having trouble wrapping my head around it as well.
Here's what the first three mazes look like in Grid Cartographer:



I'll be trying gridlines on my maps as well as of next post. We'll see how that goes.

Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



Ah, so the corridors between adjacent intersections aren't actually places you can stand.

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.

This works better for me, too.

This has to be the right answer.

Adamant
Jan 30, 2013

nweismuller posted:

I meant in English usage, sorry. German also has familiar and polite second person pronouns, as I said- I was citing German specifically because I at least have some (small amount of rusty) German. From what you said, it appears German usage of familiar and polite is actually more robust than Norwegian, as far as I know- you default to the polite form except with people you are legitimately on familiar terms with.

Yeah, it used to be like that here too, it just fell out of fashion in the 70s or so. Most people are familiar with the old usage from older movies and novels.

Black Robe
Sep 12, 2017

Generic Magic User


I'm joining the consensus for 'when being a pretentious squink' too, because nobody we've met so far in this setting has talked like that and because squink is a fun word to say.

Nakar
Sep 2, 2002

Ultima Ratio Regum
Level One: A Maze Of A Different Sort
In which we get lost in the woods, twice.

Regrettably, he takes some offense to the "pretentious squink" comment (or any other wrong answer) and escorts you from his property. Doesn't even kill you for it. Real missed opportunity.

Adamant
Jan 30, 2013

Do we even need a hint for this? Look at the moss on the trees to find north. Classic navigation trick.

Zanzibar Ham
Mar 17, 2009

You giving me the cold shoulder? How cruel.


Grimey Drawer
Seems like a reference to that one Robin Hood story where he runs into Little John? Anyway, refuse at first, maybe you can agree to give him the right of way and in return get some tips on getting through the Lost Woods.

nweismuller
Oct 11, 2012

They say that he who dies with the most Opil wins.

I am winning.
Firm, but trusting, I say. Never back down from adventure.

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!
Firm and trusting. He might respect us for that.

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



Adamant posted:

Do we even need a hint for this? Look at the moss on the trees to find north. Classic navigation trick.
Magic is afoot. As mentioned in the text for the PoP, streams don't run in circles, so we were clearly teleported or subjected to some other magical chicanery. Finding the way through the forest may require a different tactic than common sense.

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

firm and thrusting :discourse:

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Domus
May 7, 2007

Kidney Buddies

Adamant posted:

Do we even need a hint for this? Look at the moss on the trees to find north. Classic navigation trick.

It's a magical forest, my guess is that magic is needed to defeat it. Also, why trust a random dude wandering around with a giant stick? I guess he could have it to defend himself, but there's no one else unfriendly in this part of the maze...

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