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Often Abbreviated posted:You think that makes it better? That states like Lithuania have lost generations of young people who've had to relocate to do shitwork in the U.K because their home country has been so effectively choked of investment? You think that makes it good? the random enclave of latvians that my friend in gibraltar lives with seem to like it
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The tens to hundreds of thousands of early deaths due to austerity are a small price to pay to hope labour enact full socialism then
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Aug 16, 2018 19:06
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Coohoolin posted:Well either they're trapped or they're not you galaxy brain gently caress nugget Do you think they're thrilled to know they'll never be able to have a reasonable quality of life in their own countries? Do you think it warms their hearts to think of themselves staying in Britain, their children speaking another language and forgetting their culture? Do you think they're pleased that a country that survived being wiped off the map twice in the twentieth century alone will become a holiday playground for wonderful wealthy liberals like you? You know so many. Ask them.
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Jose posted:The tens to hundreds of thousands of early deaths due to austerity are a small price to pay to hope labour enact full socialism then I would happily take a reduced quality of life in the U.K if it means Greece and Italy and Spain and Portugal and Bulgaria and Macedonia and on and on and on get out from the austerity enforced by the EU. I know that's a weird concept for you, solidarity. But it means that sometimes you have to help someone else before you can be helped in turn.
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Aug 16, 2018 19:18
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Often Abbreviated posted:Do you think they're thrilled to know they'll never be able to have a reasonable quality of life in their own countries? Do you think it warms their hearts to think of themselves staying in Britain, their children speaking another language and forgetting their culture? Do you think they're pleased that a country that survived being wiped off the map twice in the twentieth century alone will become a holiday playground for wonderful wealthy liberals like you? You know so many. Ask them. Yeah they're all pretty happy and have nice Lithuanian communities here. I'm also pretty happy never setting foot in my native country again, and mine's a rich one. Scratch a Brexit surface and you expose a weird ethnocultural nationalist, it's like clockwork.
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Aug 16, 2018 19:19
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Who the gently caress goes on holiday to Lithuania
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Whorelord posted:Who the gently caress goes on holiday to Lithuania I went once when I was dating a Lithuanian, it was fun but not somewhere I'd actively choose to go. Estonia is far better.
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Often Abbreviated posted:I would happily take a reduced quality of life in the U.K if it means Greece and Italy and Spain and Portugal and Bulgaria and Macedonia and on and on and on get out from the austerity enforced by the EU. I know that's a weird concept for you, solidarity. But it means that sometimes you have to help someone else before you can be helped in turn. personally i think thousands of people dying due to our governments austerity is bad but i guess you do actually support them since you want them in power post no deal brexit you're also acting like us leaving the EU will cause it to full collapse overnight which isn't actually going to happen because everyone is going to see what a poo poo hole we become
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Don't you see, you are exploited by freedom of movement, we're deporting you for your own good because of solidarity!
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i really like my lithuanian coworker who recently bought a house here its a shame he's going to get expelled from the country
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Aug 16, 2018 19:23
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Coohoolin posted:Yeah they're all pretty happy and have nice Lithuanian communities here. I'm also pretty happy never setting foot in my native country again, and mine's a rich one. So you're not going to ask any of them what they think of losing their language, then? They seem pretty happy to you, and it's not a big deal to you, so you can't possible understand how a people who had to smuggle books into their own country in order to keep their language alive might care about that? Christ you're so liberal it hurts. Everyone wants to be just like you so why even loving bother asking. Just run them like a loving machine.
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Whorelord posted:im fairly sure working class people also go on holiday to europe a lot, dont quote me though huge, if true. Jose posted:Forcing millions into crippling poverty in the uk due to hyper austerity to own the libs
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Aug 16, 2018 19:26
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how well off are you often abbreviated since you're a boomer. own your own home? outright?
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Often Abbreviated posted:Do you think they're thrilled to know they'll never be able to have a reasonable quality of life in their own countries? Do you think it warms their hearts to think of themselves staying in Britain, their children speaking another language and forgetting their culture? Do you think they're pleased that a country that survived being wiped off the map twice in the twentieth century alone will become a holiday playground for wonderful wealthy liberals like you? You know so many. Ask them. holy poo poo
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lol at having the gall to call other people liberals when you're perfectly happy for thousands to die
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Often Abbreviated posted:So you're not going to ask any of them what they think of losing their language, then? They seem pretty happy to you, and it's not a big deal to you, so you can't possible understand how a people who had to smuggle books into their own country in order to keep their language alive might care about that? they can y'know, speak their language at home and teach it to their children
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Jose posted:how well off are you often abbreviated since you're a boomer. own your own home? outright? I've been trying to prevent this derail but no Jose, I am not a boomer, or a Trump supporter, or any of the other shot-in-the-dark insults you've come up with. Also can you guys stop derailing into Brexit chat, we're talking about Europe.
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Aug 16, 2018 19:30
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cool i'm just going to stick with tory then
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It's also impossible to create international communities among immigrant communities, obviously no Lithuanian in the UK ever meets or speaks to other Lithuanians. Lol my city has like ten different Lithuanian massive events every year
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Lithuania needs to join up with Poland again and sack Moscow
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Coohoolin posted:It's also impossible to create international communities among immigrant communities, obviously no Lithuanian in the UK ever meets or speaks to other Lithuanians. Yeah, because, again, the whole younger generation was forced to leave to find work. There is nothing for them in their own country due to insane EU-driven austerihell. Now I know you'll think this is racist, but I kind of think that if a whole country has lost its young people because a cabal of bankers want to play Charlemagne, that's a Bad Thing.
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deporting thousands of employed people to own the libs
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It's funny because baltic countries were turbofucked by shock therapy before they joined the eu and are just now experiencing growth Like go ask Estonians in their massive tech industry if they'd be better off out of the eu
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Coohoolin posted:It's funny because baltic countries were turbofucked by shock therapy before they joined the eu and are just now experiencing growth You're about 10 years out of date, I'm afraid. Growth has flatlined since 2007. As in there has been 0 growth. Because the EU is garbage. edit: correction their economy has actually slightly shrunk lol edit2: And they joined the EU in 2004 so your wonderful loving pro-growth EU actually stopped their economy loving dead Often Abbreviated has issued a correction as of 19:49 on Aug 16, 2018 |
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Aug 16, 2018 19:42
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lmao you sound like someone who calls into james obrien
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Aug 16, 2018 19:49
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Whorelord posted:lmao you sound like someone who calls into james obrien told you he's a tory
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Often Abbreviated posted:You're about 10 years out of date, I'm afraid. Growth has flatlined since 2007. As in there has been 0 growth. Because the EU is garbage. this is mostly what mark blyth says tho
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It turns out brain drain is actually A Thing, and not just the brain matter leaking from my ears because of this derail.
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Kurnugia posted:this is mostly what mark blyth says tho He's Right. The trouble with a lot of UK liberals (see: this thread) is they've twisted themselves into knots to try to justify why austerity imposed by the tories is bad but austerity imposed by the EU is good. In reality, austerity imposed if you're poor is bad (makes you poorer) but austerity imposed if you're rich is good (makes you richer). Britain is a richer country in Europe but a lot of posters aren't particularly rich in Britain. So imposing austerity in Italy is great because it makes Britain wealthier but imposing austerity in Newcastle is evil because it makes London richer.
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Shark Sandwich posted:Lithuania needs to join up with Poland again and sack Moscow This is the early start on EU4, right?
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christ you're a massive oval office
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Jose posted:christ you're a massive oval office true, but he did have a point
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Often Abbreviated posted:He's Right. I'd propose the euro sucks and that because we live in a poo poo world with poo poo borders, sovereign states should have their own currencies they can control. The best thing the nordics have done is dodge the Euro. gently caress that poo poo. But you're way too busy blathering on with Tory propaganda.
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it's great for germany though e: since they can sink the inflation caused by their export economy into the import economies of italy, spain, france and so on. and they control the central bank. Kurnugia has issued a correction as of 20:16 on Aug 16, 2018 |
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Jose posted:i don't think italian austerity is great I don't either. I'm pretty embarrassed when I talk to my greek coworkers who talk about their friends making do on 500 euro a month salaries. I'm still not willing to throw the baby out with the bathwater and go into Boris Johnson territory.
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Kurnugia posted:it's great for germany though i was told i think its great because its good for london
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Free movement is the new normal. Any attempts at improving pan-European welfare need to be taken in that context. Any step back is regressive, racist, and won't work. Or we could just leave the only organisational context we have for attempting to control international corporatism and late-stage capitalism, deport foreigners, and declare it solidarity. Jose posted:i don't think italian austerity is great It always feels like these Lexiters never stopped to look at what left wing activists in the countries they love weaponising actually think the problem is or what they're fighting for. There's a reason that Euroscepticism is the domain of the right across Europe, but no, this angry British guy who wants communities to go insular again will speak on their behalf without a second thought. gently caress, even when Greece was being shafted the majority of Greek left wing groups and trade unions didn't want to leave the EU.
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Jose posted:i was told i think its great because its good for london well, marginally via proxy. i'm not the probated op, so i don't really care to argue in his stead
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