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dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


spankmeister posted:

The EU is some neolib bullshit

:hmmyes:

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dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


The basic idea is decent, and if it were with more left-wing oriented representatives could be great and help less developed countries improve and guarantee peace.

But... yeah.

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


oliwan posted:

it has guaranteed peace for the longest period in Europe ever op

So far. Austerity is fanning the flames of right wingers, though.

I hope I'm wrong about this but I feel it's only gonna get worse.

I will say that I think EU did good at least trying to accept migrants and manage that situation without deploying guns at the borders.

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


I think overall I agree that it has done good for the world, I am just skeptical of it's ability to last in a world we seem to be approaching, with climate change and the right wing rise on the horizon.

A lot of that skepticism is rooted in the neolib bullshit, naturally

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


i say swears online posted:

in c-spam arguing whether the eu or nato is responsible for world peace

lemme toss free trade in there too

It's trump

I read it on twitter

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


You know, that's an interesting point. Did poo poo like the hidden invasion of Crimea even happen during the Cold War? Obviously, there were proxy wars in non-european locations, and grandstandings like the Cuban Missile Crisis, but has there ever been anything quite like what's happening, y'know, right now?

(also proxy conflicts haven't stopped, they're just less overt than during the cold war)

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


mobby_6kl posted:

Does Czechoslovakia count? It's not really the same as it wasn't particularly hidden and they didn't outright annex the territory of course.

As you mention, it wasn't hidden, and there were much bigger repercusions when it happened.

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


Kunster posted:

I still crack up at Bloco da Esquerda being like the sole voice defending him while nearly every paper and party was wondering how much to punish him since football leaks lead to Cristiano Ronaldo's case getting public to the point they cheered on Piers Morgan's exclusive interview with him.

loool that's great

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


Kunster posted:

Newspapers were actually cheering on Kevin Spacey's accusers getting murdered and writing pieces on the Real People to Worry about, as they tried to wipe clean Prince Andrew's reputation and trying to make Epstein's ordeal as blasé as possible to make Cristiano Ronaldo look good. I am loving amazed that there wasn't a reaction to this other than a sassy cartoon about it.

Got some sources so I can see the rot? I know spanish so I can make out written portuguese if I squint

By the Ronaldo case you're referring to the rape case, right? That poo poo was real crazy, I saw even english speaking people trip over themselves to defend him and to 'withhold judgement' while facts of the case were just so in favor of the girl's story it's crazy (the whole bit with asking to write a letter to him does not sound like someone trying to extort money).

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


Electronico6 posted:

Check out his great video content.

https://twitter.com/bifeahcasa/status/1221494404260691974?s=20

Dude was made in the same lab from where the Ben Shapiros of the world come from.

Also this fucker is a charisma vacuum lol

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


Kunster posted:

It was cleared from the internet due to a good part of it being under a paid subscription service for archives, but it was more in general tone of it.

Gotcha. I can imagine. Reddit threads (I know I know) about this are a loving cesspool if you check what got deleted from the thread, and that's English speaking people. I can only imagine how bad it is in the place where the guy is considered a god.

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


:negative:

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


https://twitter.com/MSWiA_GOV_PL/status/1278997437915561984

Polish government (this is the official twitter of the Internal Affairs Ministry) is gonna give firetrucks to the sub-20k counties with highest tournout in the presidential runoff per every voivodeship - according to the Soviet era map, that is, because this plan backfired on them in the first round using the new map and the winners were overwhelmingly against the incumbent.

dex_sda has issued a correction as of 14:47 on Jul 3, 2020

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


The picture says 'Turnout BATTLE FOR TRUCKS 2020 - Second Round'.

Tag yourself, I'm the 2020 on the plates in default mspaint font.

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


Luv for decisions to be made by the soon to be dead

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


The day I'm not progressive enough for the next generation is the day I know Good Guys Won

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


Pope Hilarius II posted:

Yeah some French guys dying to get their hands on drugs raided an apothecary called the Pastille

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


Griefor posted:

What a pessimistic view. America is 70% full.

can't accept refugees so close to capacity

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


LGBT activists are getting repressed in Poland. Some cool zone stuff popping off in Warsaw yesterday. Today there was a peaceful manifestation in Cracow and more to happen in other cities

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


Polish government delegalised abortion for basically any reason. In response, a protest broke out in front of Kaczynski's home - he's the de facto ruler of Poland.

https://www.facebook.com/GazetaZoliborza/videos/347065926520639/

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012



lovely

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


It was just random chance

Any good articles about the way EU failed Greece from the socialist perspective?

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


Well yes, and I'd like some good perspectives of it for a comrade who's very eurooptimist

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


lollontee posted:

have you tried going with the fact that all greek attempts at restitution or compromise with any of the EU hierarchies failed utterly and they were completely humiliated?

Lol it's why I'm asking for some sources dude

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


V. Illych L. posted:

what languages do you want? i can dig up some norwegian commentary from the time, but guessing that that isn't what you're after, so i'd have to actually go searching

otherwise imo varoufakis' accounts of this are good, but that guy seriously underestimates the extent to which the brutalisation of his country was by design imo

English would be best yea. I'll look into Yanis myself thanks stork an mr lenin. but I'd still like a nice article or two, it doesn't have to be deep but comprehensive would be great. Like I said it's not for me, I already know the dark side of EU but it's something i absorbed from dozens of sources and so I can't bring the evidence to bear readily when debating someone who's otherwise a comrade

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


lollontee posted:

and now im remembering why i started keeping bookmarks of important news stories about this poo poo. you know, years after living through it. because someone else asked me for sources as well and i had nothing to give

yea it's the sort of thing that non activists tend to have a blind spot for. My own country massively benefited from the EU funding (and now we're stonewalling it into misery with the veto inshallah) so my friend doesn't know, he just absorbed the 'bad greece' thing. It's kinda hard to convince someone with general knowledge from osmosis as opposed to solid theory I have in other leftist thought, you know?

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dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


V. Illych L. posted:


if you're after more general 'eu bad from socialist perspective' stuff i'd have an easier time finding good sources for that, but you'll have to wait until i'm at my own computer

That'll work, thanks. I think greece is like the poster child so that would be awesome but I'll take what I can get

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