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genericnick
Dec 26, 2012


They should decide this by trial of combat in the Colosseum. Everyone can be a winner.

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genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

forkboy84 posted:

Because the polling includes Fidesz who are suspended from the EPP.

So what I'm reading in those polls is that we need a Labour surge in the UK so the S&D get to claim the Commission presidency for as long as BREXIT is put off.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Labour was this guys party, no?

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

is there a reason why FI and melenchons support has dropped so much? why have they not been able to be an effective opposition to macron?

No idea myself, but from French people I know he looked like an idiot in the video of the police raid on his headquarters.
If I'd have to guess then the French left currently just isn't in a voting mood. Feels less radical to vote for the commie when you're setting fire to the city.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

belgend posted:

kurz is still around though

And the FPÖ is still polling much better than the AfD in Germany.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Lawman 0 posted:

Lmao at salvini eating poo poo

What happened?

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012


Glad to see Mel Brooks still gets work.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Lawman 0 posted:

Can't wait for a bunch of euros to wander back itt, to smugsplain why they are totally not all racists.

Is that a thing that happens regularly? Because lol.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012


I'm sorry that it has come to this, but if the EU is to survive this crisis it is the responsibility of each of us individually to cough on a German today.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Honest Thief posted:

circa 2009/10 people were seriously considering leaving the eu here in portugal and honestly we should prob consider that again if they're going to try this bullshit again

The thing with the old crisis was that young people could still move north to find a job. If you do this poo poo when the borders are closed and the supply lines are collapsing anyway what is even the point of the EU?

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Zedd posted:

My main issue with this whole eurobonds thing is that the only reason we have a surplus is 10+ years of gutting our social support networks, accessibility to courts, etc. And back during the eurocrisis we where also slow to recover because of austerity measures making people unable to spend/reignite the economy.

What is the relation of that to eurobonds?

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Mikl posted:

In a move that will surprise absolutely no one except those who weren't paying attention, Orban immediately used his emergency powers to do the most important thing in these troubling times: poo poo on minorities.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/04/01/hungary-viktor-orban-trans-rights-bill-rule-decree-coronavirus-transphobia-gender-zsolt-semjen/


Literally far-right TERF talking points, enshrined in law. Fantastic.

I mean yes, but to be overly pedantic, that is not an expression of his new ability to govern autocratic, but of the far right majority in parliament.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Another case of young people(under 50).

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

I mean there was never any interest in the European people's party to do anything about Orban. It's not like he is a socialist.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

the heat goes wrong posted:

Because in the eyes of the local people, there isn't much difference between the two. Does it really matter under which totalitarian murder state your family members were tortured and murdered?


Very cool logic here. And very efficient. I suppose we can remember the victims of Nazism, Stalinism and the IDF next time?

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

the heat goes wrong posted:

If IDF has caused lots of death and suffering in your region/country, then sure, why not.

OK, let me try this again. The USSR lost something on the line of a quarter or it's population in those crimes of fascism we are commemorating. So now we are commemorating the crimes of fascism and the crimes of the victims of fascism on the same day.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

the heat goes wrong posted:

Two things can be bad at the same time?
Just because somebody murdered millions of your people, doesnīt give you a free reign to murder millions of people on your own. Both Hitlers Germany and Stalinist Russia were bad.


You seem weirdly committed to not getting a very simple point.
Edit: Do you think people who bring up the crimes of Saddam Hussein when discussing the Iraq War do so in perfectly good faith?

genericnick has issued a correction as of 15:14 on Aug 25, 2020

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

the heat goes wrong posted:

Is your point is that this is some evil plan by western liberals to ruin the reputation of communism by associating it with Nazism, like some posters in this thread insist?
Making the "European Day of Remembrance for Victims of Stalinism and Nazism" into a EU wide, instead of a only Eastern european remembrance day, was a concerted effort by eastern european states. I remember there being opposition to it in western european countries like Portugal, where communist parties have never held any power(and are viewed as people advocating for workers rights, instead of emptying whole villages at gunpoint).

Most people in this region view Hitlers germany and Stalinist russia morally equivalent totalitarian regimes. There is still a living memory of suffering. There is no reputation left to ruin.

Honestly, if you haven't gotten the point yet I don't know what to tell you. The crimes of fascism are the crimes of our (great)grandparents. There is a fundamental difference between commemorating those crimes and those committed by a foreign power. Especially in the face of a global resurgence of the far right.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

the heat goes wrong posted:

Sorry, I donīt get what you mean with this part.

All successor states of the Third Reich and the other European fascist countries of the 30ies are now represented by the EU. The EU does not represent Russia and Ukraine.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

steinrokkan posted:

Just say that some state-inflicted deaths should be ignored because it would be too embarrassing and inconvenient to do otherwise, at least that would be honest and wouldn't require all the weaseling around the topic.

If you want to argue that all states are actually the Third Reich, go for it.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

steinrokkan posted:

We have moved past this, now we are recognizing (clearly in good faith) the fact that remembering the victims of Stalin would be an insult to the victims of the Holocaust. We won't commit the same mistake as the weeping-heart neoliberals of the Soviet Politburo who spat on Stalin's memory and destroyed his monuments, thus promoting fascism.

True, they should have gone out of their way to also condemn Hitler's crime in the same meeting. That's just what you do when you really regret your government's crimes. Talk about how bad your official enemies are.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012


He's just such a dumb gently caress.
Edit: Well, the reviews are in, the centrist media call him a Muslim loving traitor and his supporters are mad at him. How did that happen?

genericnick has issued a correction as of 12:42 on Nov 23, 2020

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

All the leaders of leftist splinter parties should meet carrying Highlander style Claymores.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

https://twitter.com/business/status/1339505040193630208

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

gradenko_2000 posted:

Varoufakis's "The Global Minotaur" is what you're looking for, but I'm sorry if I have to recommend a whole book and not just an article.

But if my memory serves he wrote that before his carrier as finance minister, so the whole EU - Syrizia conflict is in another book.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Italy has been screwed since they murked Moro.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

ekuNNN posted:

Crosspost, France is worrying about "Cancel culture" and "woke leftism" for some unclear reason :thunk:


:thunk::thunk:


yeah, France has quite a lot to worry about if the "cancel culture" is suddenly able to gain ground and hold members of society responsible for their actions.

Same country that when it started getting heat for workplace sexual harassment, a ton of corporate men complained they were killing the "romance" of the office culture.

:thunk::thunk::thunk:
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So what I'm reading is that the president's wife is still in the green?

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Mikl posted:

lmao what the hell, her face is priceless

"Is this a prank? Am I being pranked?"

That's what I always imagined Tucker Carlson's face to look like in movement.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

gradenko_2000 posted:

I'm not german but afaik SPD stands for "Sozialdemokratische Partei Deutschlands"

is there a different german word for "socialism/socialist" as distinct from "social democrat"?

Nah there isn't.
Edit: Actually not sure I get the question. It's the same as in English.

genericnick has issued a correction as of 18:13 on Feb 16, 2021

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Wer hat uns verraten? Sozialdemokraten.

SplitSoul posted:

From what my Kosovar friend tells me it's very good, all the rest of them are corrupt as gently caress and have handed poo poo over to the Serbs.

lol

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Laughing about that part:

SplitSoul posted:

From what my Kosovar friend tells me it's very good, all the rest of them are corrupt as gently caress and have handed poo poo over to the Serbs.

Keeping the resentment alive I see.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

SplitSoul posted:

They handed over valuable land to Serbian administration, which is a valid point of criticism from a party rooted in national self-determination. The government also killed some protesters, among them one who "committed suicide" by inserting a bottle into his own throat while in police custody. My friend's not that hung up on the genocide and having to flee, anymore.

Yeah, I'm not that current on Kosovo and Serbian politics, but as far as I remember there are a lot of ethnically Serbian enclaves and cross-over infrastructure so something like that will probably have to happen. Was the old president still the guy who kept being accused of harvesting POW's organs, but the witnesses kept committing suicide?
Edit: but yeah I see how people would get mad about any land concessions. I listened to an interview with a Serbian journalist and apparently over there it's a common assumption that the president is a NATO puppet with orders to settle Kosovo.

genericnick has issued a correction as of 20:16 on Feb 16, 2021

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

oliwan posted:

dutch left winger: painstakingly researching candidates and parties for months, deliberating, discussing, doing more research, doing more deliberating, then voting ~pragmatically~ instead of voting for the party that aligns with leftist ideology

dutch right winger: votes for the guy who is doing speeches in latin about reconstructing a white europa... to trigger the elites

It's called being a lib op.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Orange Devil posted:

It's why socialists get accused of class reductionism on the regular. Both when that is a valid and not a valid criticism.

That's not really wrong, but I don't think I have ever seen class reductionsim deployed in good faith.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

https://twitter.com/TRTWorldNow/status/1394285398868770819

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012


Seems like school indeed failed him, that's not a laughing matter.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Guy P. McMan posted:

Norway has won the election!




no Oppslutshaming allowed

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

ekuNNN posted:

From what I've read they've apparently done a lot of unglamorous grassroots work for renters in the city and that's paying off

Yeah, they did the work while every other leftwing splinter party vanishes a week after national elections to then reappear three years later with new posters. I doubt it's easily replicable elsewhere.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Isn't Greece still broke

Not really how that works. The ECB has been guaranteeing EU debt for about a decade now. Greece can buy a lot of ships. No money for social security though.

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genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

V. Illych L. posted:

turkey is essential to NATO or they would've been chucked out for the weird poo poo they've been pulling

Why? The only thing that really made the US mad is that they bought Russian missiles.

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