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An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

Wow, my youtube BREAKING NEWS and my phone's push notifications are showing me the same 'A CRAZY GROEN-LINKS Member of Parliament was just ARRESTED' notification of three different outlets. Did he kill someone because I refuse to click the links.

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An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

Entropist posted:

It was not a member of parliament but of the local council of Diemen.
He objected to being filmed by some reality show that was tagging along with the police, and then got roughed up by said police. He was arrested for insulting them, and the police said he spat at them and that he had drugs on him, though he denies this. Because of this, he had to resign from his office.
It seems like an excuse was needed to get rid of him, the upper-class right wingers doing coke on the Amsterdam Zuidas don't get this sort of treatment.

Wow. ACAB but nice to know the news outlets in Holland will jump on this but only tut tut at Thierry Baudet. While running his screed center page.

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

At least we'll loving drown way before any of you.

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

I honestly wonder if the Ditch ever have a chance of a more leftist government again...

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

How the gently caress does VVD stay a-loving float and you think FvD is going to get even bigger? Fuuuuuuuuck.

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

I do not stand with the farmers. Also both Geert and Baudet should be shot out of a canon into the sun. Thanks for listening.

E: Also the farmers seem really surprised not everyone is on their side. They seem to think 90% of the population are pulling for them so when they get flipped off it's a lol.

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

Isn't that good?

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

Antifa Poltergeist posted:

In a sense that a raging forest fire hasn't yet consumed the only house left standing, yes.

The glass is half-full. From that single house, we can cultivate a little garden outward using the ash rich top soil to grow a better yield of crop.

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

My prime minister (Rutte, the Netherlands) is such a piece of poo poo holy gently caress. We need to save the flower industry and need help from the EU. But we, no, we're not going to pull out extra money to help the Southern EU members let's not go crazy. The one time where coming together and helping people is absolutely necessary and he does this poo poo.

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

Rutte is the shittiest piece of poo poo, but he's also the most recent in a long line of poo poo. Just a great big brown line of political diarreah for years. And the fact is that there are more and worse pieces of poo poo waiting in the wings to take the reins from him.

And honestly, the reason why people think he's handling it admirably is because at the moment he has Italy to point at as 'at least I'm keeping you from being them'. I'm just hoping the longer this holds and the more the Netherlands unravels (especially when South and North-Holland actually get hit with Brabant levels of the 'roni) people see him for the piece of poo poo that he is.

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

I dread the day I'll be old enough to embarrass the younger generations by voting for...I dunno, the robot overlords because that's familiar and I don't really care the world is on fire. AND AT LEAST THE ROBOT OVERLORDS SPEAK DUTCH YOUR HIPPIE SAVE THE PLANET PARTY COULD LEARN A THING OR TWO!!

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

I'd definitely campaign for android rights, but let's be honest...we first have to survive long enough as a species for us to become olds at all .

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

When everyone uses text to speech, or some weird thought to text instaconverter, we'll sit in a corner grumbling about how being a keyboard warrior used to mean something.

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

I wish I could leave this racist shithole country :/ but I'm going to have to stay and try to help get some leftists elected. Shits bleak though.

(Dutch and hating it atm.)

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

Does this mean Jupiter is waning?

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

Welp, voting in the Netherlands tomorrow and all polls are predicting a surge rightward and a shrinking of the left. I know, who trust polls in 2021 but I'm more then ready to believe in the shittiness of my countrymen. :(

We've had a rightwing Gov for 10 years, by all metrics they've done nothing but gently caress up and people are going to reward them with more power.

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

The Puppet Master posted:

it is pretty lol. rutte will win again all by promising that he will do more racism and the he has done such a good job with cv19 lol

it is cool that there is a new and explicitly anti capitalist party that might win 1 seat

Oh you mean Bij1? If so yeah, I'm going to make drat sure they get their seat.

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

JordanKai posted:

The pragmatist in me wants to vote GroenLinks or SP simply in the hopes of slightly increasing the size of the largest left-ish parties in the second chamber. However, I've never been comfortable with GroenLinks' elitist air and I'm furious with SP for cutting ROOD loose and for clinging to the Marijnissen family.

I'm still not 100% sure, but I think I'll be voting for BIJ1 tomorrow. I think getting Sylvanna Simons into the second chamber and letting her go off for four years would do a lot of good for the national discourse. More so than one more GroenLinks or SP member, at least.

:same: I just hope we can have a leftist block stopping the most heinous things Rutte and his friends in the far right want to do...

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

Oh I'm voting Bij1, I was just saying that the pragmatic part of me wanted to just increase the size of other left parties. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear.

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

The trouble I have, and I know that it's a very selfish viewpoint, is that I can't just be happy with my own leftist vote. I feel inexorably sad and angry about all the votes that are going to FvD and PVV, when I can't do anything about those votes beyond the people I talk to. It eats at me and it's not healthy.

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

oliwan posted:

dutch left winger: painstakingly researching candidates and parties for months, deliberating, discussing, doing more research, doing more deliberating, then voting ~pragmatically~ instead of voting for the party that aligns with leftist ideology

dutch right winger: votes for the guy who is doing speeches in latin about reconstructing a white europa... to trigger the elites

God that speech was such an infuriating thing. And then a comedian makes, admittedly, bad jokes about him to the point that he walks away because he got his feefees hurt and people go WOW THAT'S SO RUDE, I HAVE TO VOTE FOR BAUDET TO SHOW I'M NOT LIKE THAT COMEDIAN.

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

I mean every few weeks there's a new splinter right wing party forming from a different right wing party and they all need to maintain their income.

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

PVV lost seats to FvD, but I don't know where the leftist vote went? D66?

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

JordanKai posted:

Sure seems like that. I guess a lot of people agree with D66’s platform of “poor people are suffering the exact right amount.”

My sister and brother were saying D66 was the most environmentally focused party they could vote for. And I was like...just vote left instead...but I'm the weird but lovable lefty cook in their eyes so that fell on deaf ears.

Honestly, PVV losing seats makes me really happy and I hope Wilders tries to eat Baudet.

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

Zedd posted:

Doesn't help that the Stemwijzers are way too narrow. Joke example below:
code:
Q: How much do you want poors to suffer?
A: Yes
B: Less
The C: Not wasn't even on them.

Hey at least we have some more tax exemptions for the wealthy and coorperations to look forward to.

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

It actually looks like some old SP (socialist party) voters went for the FvD, holy crap. Is that protest voters, or just like...floating voters? I don't see how you can call yourself left and vote for racists.

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

Orange Devil posted:

A good couple hundred thousand voters constantly float between SP and PVV. And now apparently also FvD? They vote for whoever they see as the most anti-system I think. And yes, these are mostly people who want things to be fairer economically but also believe non-white people need to shut up about racism.

To be honest, this has a long history in leftism. See for example old timey unions who really did fight hard and win victories for the (white) working class from capital being racist as hell. I'm talking in like, the 20s and 30s. It's why socialists get accused of class reductionism on the regular. Both when that is a valid and not a valid criticism.

Ugh, any good books I can read about this or articles? I sometimes get the feeling I have a too...rosy? view of the left and think we're all in it for the good of all people. I am now extra glad I went for Bij1 instead of SP, the colour of someone's skin shouldn't matter but it's really annoying that it does.

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

oliwan posted:

The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was convincing people that D66 is in any way 'left wing' and/or progressive

They're "center left", which is technically true. But then nobody tells them the center hopped nine paces rightward.

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

I live in the Western most sea threatened part of the Netherlands and I loving welcome our inevitable future destruction by the tide. People just keep voting against their own interests because they only start paying attention to the government the last week before the election.

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

Orange Devil posted:

In related news I loving loathe my countrymen.

:(

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

I just find it hilarious that Halloween is fine but changing Zwarte Piet is messin wif our culture bah gawd :shakefist:

But nothing was more cringeworthy than Baudet running a Trump style campaign and seeing Dutch dudes unironically wearing Dixie flag hats.

yay I'm one of the good ones

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

V. Illych L. posted:

also also yanks aren't even making the best video games these days lmao

Hell yes Larian ftw. And Owlcat, buggy but made with love.

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

twoday posted:

and FARMERS

don’t forget to be proud of our brave patriotic farmers (or they will drive a tractor into your house)

Hey they only drive a tractor through your house because of immigrants.

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

There's a trucker Freedom convoy in the Netherlands now. Why the gently caress some of these people even have trucks in a country below sea level without any actual rugged terrain is beyond me.

This is so loving dumb.

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

ekuNNN posted:

Freight is often moved in trucks.

That's why I said some of these people?

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

Yeah sorry, mostly pick up truck owners. And I honestly don't know if it needs to be astroturfed what with one of our nazi-lite parties gleefully endorsing it.

E: Spankmeister is right. Sadly there were a lot of actual trucks there.

An insane mind has issued a correction as of 11:06 on Feb 15, 2022

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

spankmeister posted:

what the gently caress are you talking about? there were mostly lorries/semi's and tractors at the protest. hardly anyone drives pickups here.

the protest was of course astroturfed right wing bullshit but this picture you're painting doesn't exist

also I don't think you know what astroturfing really means, because having some political party endorse it doesn't mean it's grassroots

Sorry dude, I guess I let my own bias get to me. I think it's easier for me to believe real truckers would be too busy for this kind of stuff so when I saw a picture of a pick-up I must have conflated it.

And I do know what astroturfing means, but I just don't know at this point if the organizers saw the kid glove treatment in Canada and thought now is our time or if it's completely inorganic.

Again, I'm sorry.

An insane mind has issued a correction as of 11:07 on Feb 15, 2022

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

spankmeister posted:

sorry for coming down a bit hard, this stuff stresses me out a bit.

It's fine, I'm stressed out about this poo poo too. I just want these fuckwits to go away.

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An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

genericnick posted:

OK, so you're telling me the Russian propaganda industry is obsessed with Twitter leftists?

Other way around I think. Twitter leftists just gobblin' up the propaganda.

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