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I can't help but picture a convention for meth.
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Jun 7, 2018 12:33
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quote:It's had some really regrettable consequences. Some of them we rehoused and some of them will have gone into other forms of accommodation. "Other forms of accommodation" is a polite euphemism for sleeping in your car or on the loving street, isn't it?
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Jun 7, 2018 18:51
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Oh, I see he too conveniently has another government agency he can blame for forcing his hand.
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Jun 7, 2018 23:03
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SuperiorColliculus posted:"Other forms of accommodation" is a polite euphemism for sleeping in your car or on the loving street, isn't it? Yes, garner presses him on that and he admits it.
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Jun 8, 2018 01:36
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exmarx posted:https://twitter.com/Economissive/status/1004666283458097162 This company came to my high school to do a presentation on meth back in 2007 or so. The main thing I remember him saying was something like "if eating a cheeseburger makes your brain release 100 units of dopamine, then doing meth is like 2000 units" as if it wasn't a loving great sales pitch to a bunch of people who love cheeseburgers. Then they went to the girls school over the road and allegedly told them that meth would make them skinny. It was a weird time.
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Jun 8, 2018 08:15
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Got to do the groundwork to ensure future customers when starting a business.
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Jun 8, 2018 08:19
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Listening to grey milk corporates argue politics in a bar 
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Jun 8, 2018 09:55
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Sing this Corrosion posted:This company came to my high school to do a presentation on meth back in 2007 or so. We had a guy come to our school in 2002 or 2003, under what I can only assume was some kind of community service condition of a sentence. He'd go on and on about how P had ruined his life, caused him to steal from his friends and family, scratch huge holes into his arms, commit armed assaults, the works. The cop escorting him then says "So, why did you keep doing it, knowing you were doing these things?" "Oh mate, once it hits you its so amazing, it feels like you can do anything and normal life just completely doesn't compare any lon-" "Uhhh yes yes yes but it ruined your life and got you in trouble with the law, which was a bad thing, right?"
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Jun 8, 2018 21:43
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So glad Labour bent over backwards to get Willie Jackson on board. He and his mates make such a good impression, totally in line with the party's values. https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/08-06-2018/alan-duff-threatens-violence-against-spinoff-cameraman-at-labour-event/ quote:In the leadup to the event, held at the Birkenhead Brewing Company and hosted by senior Labour MP Willie Jackson, there had been disquiet from within the party about the controversial commentator [Alan Duff] appearing at a campaign event, according to one party member. The Once Were Warriors authors’ previous remarks about Muslims, Māori and women had even led to one member quitting the party, the source told the Spinoff.
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Jun 8, 2018 23:49
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Well, that's creepy as hell.
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Jun 9, 2018 04:45
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Sing this Corrosion posted:This company came to my high school to do a presentation on meth back in 2007 or so. Hey now, (hey now, na now) that company was merely doing ground work for ensuring they can continue to sell their services in future years by making sure there are a pile of meth in the area to warn kids about. Gotta think of the stockholder first.
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Jun 9, 2018 08:24
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Also, don't bother looking at the results for the Northcote by-election. The rich cunts in Northcote Point have continued to vote blue, despite the fact that the previous MP was a literal fraudster and crook who abandoned his post to run off and make money from the people he was funnelling money to before. Also the new National candidate purchased a $2m+ apartment in the area 6 weeks prior to the polls opening and claims to care about local issues, despite having never lived here. gently caress this loving place.
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Jun 9, 2018 08:35
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Jun 9, 2018 09:59
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Eh it's an OK result for Labour either way. Would've been nice to unseat national but it was never likely. National beat Labour in the Northcote party vote by 7% in the last election, which is the exact margin in this result. So if you adjust for the apparent blue bias of the electorate it'd indicate Labour and National are neck and neck nationally.exmarx posted:
Coleman's margin was like 7000 wasn't it? Bidois only managed ~1400.
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bike tory posted:Coleman's margin was like 7000 wasn't it? Bidois only managed ~1400. Turnout was substantially lower.
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bike tory posted:Eh it's an OK result for Labour either way. Would've been nice to unseat national but it was never likely. National beat Labour in the Northcote party vote by 7% in the last election, which is the exact margin in this result. So if you adjust for the apparent blue bias of the electorate it'd indicate Labour and National are neck and neck nationally. i just go by the percentage v  vlooks like turnout was around 54%
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Jun 9, 2018 10:12
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just thought i'd share this here https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/104549293/charity-boss-reprimanded-for-bullying-and-having-sex-with-young-women-on-his-ship-crew?rm=m never met him personally but i've known this guy since i started working in shipping, seems to be one on almost every ship i've been on i'm a big fan of how he drunkenly threw a girl overboard and bounced her off the mooring ropes, could have loving killed her
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Jun 9, 2018 19:22
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The Rabbi T. White posted:Also, don't bother looking at the results for the Northcote by-election. The rich cunts in Northcote Point have continued to vote blue, despite the fact that the previous MP was a literal fraudster and crook who abandoned his post to run off and make money from the people he was funnelling money to before. Also the new National candidate purchased a $2m+ apartment in the area 6 weeks prior to the polls opening and claims to care about local issues, despite having never lived here. I'm glad to see One Nation got next to nothing, and Koloni is now blaming the evil journalists for it on facebook.
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Jun 10, 2018 06:28
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Looks like national has reached the final phase of a dying right wing party: having no message of it's own, it begins existing solely to be against what the other guy is for.quote:Simon Bridges is promising to undo much of what the Labour-NZ First Government is doing, should he become Prime Minister. And while we're here have Seymour twerking. Slavvy fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Jun 11, 2018 |
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Jun 11, 2018 01:42
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Simon Bridges can't undo anything, even if he was prime minister. No one can, they need the support of their party. So either the reporter is taking linguistical shortcuts, or Simon Bridges is an arrogant shithead. Either way, it's very misleading and dangerous to talk about one person having that sort of power when they don't. Often, those lies become the truth because people think "well the prime minister said I had to vote a certain way so I guess I have to".
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Jun 12, 2018 00:29
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klen dool posted:Simon Bridges can't undo anything, even if he was prime minister. No one can, they need the support of their party. So either the reporter is taking linguistical shortcuts, or Simon Bridges is an arrogant shithead. Either way, it's very misleading and dangerous to talk about one person having that sort of power when they don't. Often, those lies become the truth because people think "well the prime minister said I had to vote a certain way so I guess I have to". Um you know that's kinda how our party politics works right? Like yes it's more complicated than just "what Bridges says, goes" but the parties basically fall in line behind the leaders because it looks bad for all of them if they don't. There are only a small handful of times where NZ politicians have crossed the floor.
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Jun 12, 2018 01:10
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Yes and when they have it can lead to the fall of the government.
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Jun 12, 2018 04:24
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Like National are just going to stop voting in unison on everything.
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Jun 12, 2018 05:59
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He's saying that's national policy from now on, presumably.
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bike tory posted:Um you know that's kinda how our party politics works right? Like yes it's more complicated than just "what Bridges says, goes" but the parties basically fall in line behind the leaders because it looks bad for all of them if they don't. There are only a small handful of times where NZ politicians have crossed the floor. Well yeah I know what i described is how the party politics work, I mean, I did describe it after all. I also pointed out that it's dangerous and bad. It's interesting how "not voting with your party" is conflated with siding with the opposition - crossing the floor.
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Jun 12, 2018 06:38
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aotearoa nz parties are so tightly whipped that disagreements generally get sorted internally, well before it's time to vote
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Jun 12, 2018 06:44
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Can you really describe National as a dying right wing party when they enjoy broad support from a plurality of kiwis? Electorate poo poo etc.
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Jun 12, 2018 06:47
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klen dool posted:Simon Bridges can't undo anything, even if he was prime minister. No one can, they need the support of their party. So either the reporter is taking linguistical shortcuts, or Simon Bridges is an arrogant shithead. Either way, it's very misleading and dangerous to talk about one person having that sort of power when they don't. Often, those lies become the truth because people think "well the prime minister said I had to vote a certain way so I guess I have to". I don't disagree with you at all, I worry because I think what you're describing in the bolded part is largely the norm now. A good chunk of the country think national won the election, most people think the economy is like a household budget etc etc and if national continue down the alternative facts road we'll be left with half the country being functionally retarded and no political discourse to speak of. I don't know how to prevent that, I see people in the US threads grappling with the problem and all the solutions seem to involve time travel to the point before poo poo was hosed or communist overthrow now.
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klen dool posted:Well yeah I know what i described is how the party politics work, I mean, I did describe it after all. I also pointed out that it's dangerous and bad. I'm confused- how do you think it should work?
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Slavvy posted:I don't disagree with you at all, I worry because I think what you're describing in the bolded part is largely the norm now. A good chunk of the country think national won the election, most people think the economy is like a household budget etc etc and if national continue down the alternative facts road we'll be left with half the country being functionally retarded and no political discourse to speak of. Yeah maybe I am too late - its already happened. I think its still worth pointing out. I don't recall during the election Jacinda Ardern saying "I'll do this, I'll do that" and same from Meteria or Shaw et al so I don' know if it is too late. Maybe its the right time to counter that narrative since our current government is a lot more blended than it has been previously - it might sink in.
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sebmojo posted:I'm confused- how do you think it should work? I mean that just because you disagree with your party doesn't mean you are "defecting" to the other party, or siding with them, or necessarily hold the same opinion as them.
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klen dool posted:I mean that just because you disagree with your party doesn't mean you are "defecting" to the other party, or siding with them, or necessarily hold the same opinion as them. on an up or down vote it kinda does mean that, tho
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klen dool posted:Yeah maybe I am too late - its already happened. I think its still worth pointing out. I don't recall during the election Jacinda Ardern saying "I'll do this, I'll do that" and same from Meteria or Shaw et al so I don' know if it is too late. Maybe its the right time to counter that narrative since our current government is a lot more blended than it has been previously - it might sink in. She did this with abortion and marijuana. And how do you think parties should announce policy? It seems logical for the leader to announce what they're planning, especially when the leader desperately needs more air time and relevance Unrelated but looks like Peter Gluckman didnt manage to save his job with his report on meth safety levels. The new chief science advisor is Juliet Gerrard, a biologist and Dean of Research at UoA. voiceless anal fricative fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Jun 12, 2018 |
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Jun 12, 2018 08:53
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Conscience votes are votes where you don't have to vote with your party, they're explicit exceptions to the normal party line ones.
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Normally any disagreements are aired in caucus behind closed doors. Then every one is expected to keep ranks in public. There are some exceptions for this, usually if the party is confident of the votes they will allow a member to go against them. This can be done to show them as ‘an independent thinker’ or similar as part of a play for electorate support. I think Damien O’Connor did it a couple of times last term.
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awesmoe posted:on an up or down vote it kinda does mean that, tho You may disagree for different reasons, or coincidentally the same reason. Doesn't mean you are defecting.
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Jun 12, 2018 10:01
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bike tory posted:She did this with abortion and marijuana. I think parties should announce policy as a party. The party leader should say "we will do x", as opposed to "I will do x". As for jacinda saying "I", welp, she is bad too I guess. I dunno. I don't really know what I'm talking about. I don't think we need leaders, or capatilism, or money for that matter....
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klen dool posted:I think parties should announce policy as a party. The party leader should say "we will do x", as opposed to "I will do x". Money is kinda important...
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bike tory posted:Money is kinda important... Yeah I know. I don't know what I am talking about remember.
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