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truther posted:Next week everyone will have forgotten and moved onto the next thing media is telling them to be outraged about. drat right look at all these sheeple blindly suckling at the MSM teat. Us true intellectuals know that this is just a diversion from the real issues. exmarx posted:reminder that aotearoa new zealand also imprisons asylum seekers (like, in jail) while their claims are being assessed Only if they arrive by boat, which no one ever has. Asylum seekers arriving at the airport are released with absolutely no support, i.e. literally homeless while they're processed. Im quite a believer in the fact that NZ needs to get it's own house in order, so if you're appalled at what's happening in the US but would prefer to give to a NZ based organisation then consider the Asylum Seekers Support Trust who are AFAIK the only organisation providing emergency housing to asylum seekers in NZ: http://aucklandrefugeecouncil.org voiceless anal fricative fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Jun 20, 2018 |
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What Trump is doing is abhorrent, but it's worth remembering that we as a nation don't even give a poo poo that our "closest neighbour and ally" uses torture camps for refugees and intentionally delays their processing in the hopes they'll kill themselves before becoming accepted.
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Ghostlight posted:What Trump is doing is abhorrent, but it's worth remembering that we as a nation don't even give a poo poo that our "closest neighbour and ally" uses torture camps for refugees and intentionally delays their processing in the hopes they'll kill themselves before becoming accepted. Which is why 'we' need to be shot out of a cannon, into the sun.
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bike tory posted:Only if they arrive by boat, which no one ever has. Asylum seekers arriving at the airport are released with absolutely no support, i.e. literally homeless while they're processed. No, if they arrive at the airport they can be jailed: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/90117261/Asylum-seekers-locked-up-in-Auckland-prison-New-Zealands-own-Manus-Island Here's Cunliffe floating the idea of not doing that anymore, way back in 2006: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0612/S00069.htm Varkk posted:Do we tell them we are taking the kids for a bath (((shower))) then deport the parents while leaving the kids in a detention centre? Don't be an idiot. How does it diminish the horror of ICE?
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exmarx posted:No, if they arrive at the airport they can be jailed: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/90117261/Asylum-seekers-locked-up-in-Auckland-prison-New-Zealands-own-Manus-Island Oh for real that's lovely, it's good we get so few asylum seekers. I was thinking of the law National passed back in like 2012/13 that automatically detains any groups arriving by boat for up to 6 months.
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If it helps, this isn't some passing thing here - it's all over every news outlet and doesn't seem to be going away any time soon. Trump doubling down on blaming the Democrats when it's demonstrably his administration that's responsible isn't helping him either
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Jaguars! posted:Somewhere in transit NZ there are probably a bunch of engineers who know how things are done in cycle friendly places like the Netherlands who are in despair as we keep on adding cycle lanes to our busiest roads with parked cars on one side and moving cars on the other. actually I used to be friends with someone that worked there, and what he told me always stuck with me. it was along the lines of 'you will never see meaningful change in NZ. that takes 15-20 years to accomplish, and you're dealing with a department that can only plan 3 years in advance. that's why you'll only ever see stopgap measures, because no one's willing to risk their name being associated with a giant failure.'
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bike tory posted:I totally agree cyclists get a bad rap but in countries where cycling is really common there are absolutely cyclist on pedestrian fatal crashes. Obviously it's less likely than a car, but let's not pretend a cyclist can't kill a pedestrian. There might be cyclist on pedestrian fatal crashes, but, there are no stats for it and I can't find any mention of any deaths of pedestrians caused by cyclists on stuff. I think its reasonable to pretend that cyclist can't kill a pedestrian for the purposes of simplifying the discussion.
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Ardern babby on the way  klen dool posted:There might be cyclist on pedestrian fatal crashes, but, there are no stats for it and I can't find any mention of any deaths of pedestrians caused by cyclists on stuff. I think its reasonable to pretend that cyclist can't kill a pedestrian for the purposes of simplifying the discussion. This is from Japan in 2015 when the police announced a big crackdown on cyclist law violations. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/06/29/reference/law-gets-serious-cycling-safety/#.WyrOd8_3V-E posted:According to NPA figures, cyclists caused 109,269 accidents last year, down from 188,338 in 2004, while fatal accidents fell to 542 from 870 a decade ago. So it's around .5% which is small but when you're talking fatalities it's not really. 5 out of every 1000 accidents is quite a lot when you're talking about people dying. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume Japanese bikes are no more or less fatal than NZ ones? e: I did some googling and found this from an NZ study in 2004  https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/research/reports/289/ voiceless anal fricative fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Jun 20, 2018 |
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bike tory posted:Ardern babby on the way The bikes and riders are probably no more or less dangerous in Japan, but there are a hell of a lot more bikes. But pedestrians are used to more bikes. I hardly ever saw people riding bikes in Japan when I was there a couple years ago, but there were bike parks full of bikes everywhere. Even if NZ has 1 death caused by cyclists per 2000 road deaths, I still think my point holds.
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klen dool posted:The bikes and riders are probably no more or less dangerous in Japan, but there are a hell of a lot more bikes. But pedestrians are used to more bikes. I hardly ever saw people riding bikes in Japan when I was there a couple years ago, but there were bike parks full of bikes everywhere. Did you look at the picture I posted? That study at least concludes that 7% of pedestrian road deaths are from accidents with cyclists. You can't just pretend that doesn't exist because it's convenient to your argument.
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Ghostlight posted:Casualties are not deaths. I have learned something today E: like I knew casualty was also used to just mean victims or people effected by something but I thought as a technical term it specifically meant fatalities
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bike tory posted:Did you look at the picture I posted? That study at least concludes that 7% of pedestrian road deaths are from accidents with cyclists. You can't just pretend that doesn't exist because it's convenient to your argument. I can pretend it doesn't exist when it's irrelevant to my "argument" - which is less an argument and more a casual conversation about how lovely car drivers in NZ are and how every time someone brings up how bad cars are it's inevitable that someone will pipe up about cyclists being somehow just as bad.
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klen dool posted:I can pretend it doesn't exist when it's irrelevant to my "argument" - which is less an argument and more a casual conversation about how lovely car drivers in NZ are and how every time someone brings up how bad cars are it's inevitable that someone will pipe up about cyclists being somehow just as bad. The other lovely thing about the road toll that is rarely discussed are the injuries and long term life-changing disabilities that can result. To its credit the Herald has done a few articles this year about it, but it still doesn't really come up much. 300 people dying is a lot, but a lot more are left crippled, traumatised, or have issues with pain medicine addiction etc as a result of road accidents. If little Johnny gets hit by a car that ran a red light, his death isn't just it. His siblings might carry the trauma for the rest of their lives. His parents might get through ok, or they might divorce , turn to alcohol, suicide whatever just because their world has been hosed upside down.
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The radio this morning lead with 'Jacinda Ardern is in Labour at Auckland City Hospital' and I was all like 'well, duh.'
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I saw the comment somewhere "PM's labour goes national, a new zealand first"
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bike tory posted:I saw the comment somewhere "PM's labour goes national, a new zealand first" Green stuff starts coming out of it
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Jesus this interview sounds like a shambles for Simon Bridges but Jeremy Wells was asking some questions that are frankly beneath him too https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/06/simon-bridges-plans-to-convert-pinko-ardern-baby.html quote:"Look, I don't think it's going to do a lot to help my poll ratings," he told hosts Matt Heath and Jeremy Wells.
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I think Jeremy was thinking he was being super clever by getting Bridges to make a fool of himself and forgot he was making a prat of himself too. Not an excuse, but when you've got that National leader on the ropes like that I can see how you might take it too far.
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Literally all he had to do was say “Congratulations on the healthy baby Jacinda”, he didn’t even have to mean it Instead he said Labour would probably ban gender if they could and he plans on turning the PMs communist baby blue lol
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Someone used the word pinko unironically in 2018? What a shithead, like some kind of walking caricature.
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LoudPipesSaveLives posted:Someone used the word pinko unironically in 2018? What a shithead, like some kind of walking caricature. I for one welcome our drift into American level rhetoric
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lol he was obviously joking when he said "pinko", he just murdered the joke to the point where it became embarrassing and kinda offensive
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Charles 2 of Spain posted:Hmm yes, let's make sure only the rich get to have maternity care. people gave birth in caves on dirt ground for thousands of years, idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PM's baby named: Neve Te Aroha Ardern Gayford
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bike tory posted:lol he was obviously joking when he said "pinko", he just murdered the joke to the point where it became embarrassing and kinda offensive Bridge's calls Labour MPs Communists in Parliament constantly, he's not joking he's a literal moron. Like I can't even begin to fathom how monumentally stupid Simon Bridges must be.
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Oh he definitely uses pinko and commie and poo poo dismissively and rhetorically, kinda in the same way that "snowflake" is deployed in the US to minimise minorities concerns.
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A few people at my work are extremely angry about the PM's baby. Not sure why apart from them being national supporters.
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I actually stumbled into that small corner of NZ Twitter where the far right Christian dudes hang out and they're all pretty mad about it too. It's all about blocking news about the baby and tweeting about how actually research shows that exclusive breastfeeding for the first year is best for the child so maybe women should reconsider this whole work thing and let men fend for them as god intended. I find it super hilarious that they can maintain this line of thought when it'd involve someone quitting her job as the prime minister so that her partner can make YouTube fishing videos. As if that's really what's best for their family.
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bike tory posted:I actually stumbled into that small corner of NZ Twitter where the far right Christian dudes hang out and they're all pretty mad about it too. It's all about blocking news about the baby and tweeting about how actually research shows that exclusive breastfeeding for the first year is best for the child so maybe women should reconsider this whole work thing and let men fend for them as god intended. No reason a crèche can’t be setup on the 9th floor. Imagine the PM sitting at her desk reading briefing papers while feeding.
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The one rant I've heard about it revolved around her 'pretending' to be outraged over being asked about whether or not she'd have a kid in office during that interview because she already knew she was pregnant so she was angry at being caught out already lying to the nation!!
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Varkk posted:No reason a crèche can’t be setup on the 9th floor. Imagine the PM sitting at her desk reading briefing papers while feeding. The guy in charge of the PMs security is a massive middle aged white dude and a former cop so you'd expect him to be hard right but he actually was a stay at home dad for five years and a massive Greenie, so she could hand off the baby to some safe hands Or at least he was in charge of English's security, idk if it changes with the govt or anything
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