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Canine Blues Arooo posted:I will finally say that I think Microsoft has done an awful, awful job monetizing Windows. I think the pattern of 'inject ads everywhere to solve problems we created' is not a good long term plan and a quick look at Windows market share of desktop OSes shows why. Charge for a license, make a product that people want to use and then solve REAL problems. That's a slower burn for the quarterly reports, but it's not one where you are actively burning up good will and positive mind share while you slowly bleed out from the bottom. I strongly believe that microsoft is selling client licenses when they would happily give them away only due to antitrust reasons. If they cared that much about windows licenses, they would have done anything to stifle the volume license resale flows.
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Weaponized Autism posted:I think Microsoft really just wants to get out of the consumer space and move entirely to enterprise, and I'm wondering if that's what Satya is ultimately trying to achieve. Like most everyone else in charge, Satya is an imbecile and has no plan; he's just throwing poo poo at a wall to see what sticks like the rest of them.
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Weaponized Autism posted:...for your average consumer it makes no sense to spend $1000 on a phone AND $1500 on a desktop PC. True, but that's because you can get a good phone for well under $500; if you insist on buying the latest iPhone, that's on you. A good desktop can be built for $1000 or less; at the point you're paying 1500, you're either getting a pretty high end GPU or you're wasting money somewhere. e: The point that the average consumer doesn't want desktops anymore is valid, don't get me wrong - but the cost of ownership of a desktop is also pretty low these days, especially if you consider how long a desktop with well-chosen parts can be useful for. I think that reduced popularity of the platform is more out of general disinterest than being deterred by the cost. Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Aug 2, 2024 |
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Eletriarnation posted:True, but that's because you can get a good phone for well under $500; if you insist on buying the latest iPhone, that's on you. A good desktop can be built for $1000 or less; at the point you're paying 1500, you're either getting a pretty high end GPU or you're wasting money somewhere. A good phone is a more sensible investment for the general public than a computer since you carry one with you everyday while the computer gets used sometimes. No household without children or manchildren will consider acceptable building a desktop instead of buying one prebuilt or most likely a low end laptop.
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There are also those real drat affordable mini-pc's that are more than enough for non-gaming household tasks. Like $300 for the "tower". Bring your own monitor and input peripherals, of course.
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Sure, the phone is more generally useful these days and I didn't say otherwise. I don't think that the cost of phones has much if anything to do with why desktops are declining in popularity, though. I also think that a desktop is likely to last longer for most folks, both due to the support lifecycles involved and the greater hazards that mobile devices get exposed to, and how long the device lasts is as relevant to its potential value as the initial cost is.
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SlowBloke posted:A good phone is a more sensible investment for the general public than a computer since you carry one with you everyday while the computer gets used sometimes. A good phone can be had for $300. You don't need the latest and greatest iPhone or Pixel or Galaxy and for this average person we are talking about, they would be perfectly fine on a Pixel 5A today.
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Yeah I just mentioned cost as a point of emphasis but my main takeaway was that there is a lot of overlap between what you can use a cellphone and a desktop computer for. More and more people can live off of their phones and have less of a need or dependency on a desktop (or laptop even), so they aren't going to buy one.
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Eletriarnation posted:Sure, the phone is more generally useful these days and I didn't say otherwise. I don't think that the cost of phones has much if anything to do with why desktops are declining in popularity, though. I also think that a desktop is likely to last longer for most folks, both due to the support lifecycles involved and the greater hazards that mobile devices get exposed to, and how long the device lasts is as relevant to its potential value as the initial cost is. An increasing number of low income families in Italy are phone only, to the point that complaints are starting to bubble up if public services are delivered in a way that isn't mobile friendly. If the budget is stretched thin, a desktop is a luxury not a tool. Edit Klyith posted:I don't know that they'd have any anti-trust problem giving Windows away now? Nobody else sells operating systems. It would eat away all the alternative os user base to the point of being ubiquitous, OEM would remove pre installed freedos and ubuntu from their catalogs and so on. SlowBloke fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Aug 2, 2024 |
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SlowBloke posted:I strongly believe that microsoft is selling client licenses when they would happily give them away only due to antitrust reasons. If they cared that much about windows licenses, they would have done anything to stifle the volume license resale flows. I don't know that they'd have any anti-trust problem giving Windows away now? Nobody else sells operating systems. And anyways, they pretty much do give it away these days. You can install windows without a license and use it forever with no real limitations, and their free upgrade policies for 10 and 11 were very generous. If I had 11 I could be using the same "digital entitlement" as I had for 10, which was originally a 7 key. Haven't paid for a new windows key in a loooong time. But they're never gonna give up the OEM Windows tax and make windows really free. It's a lot of money. All the above free upgrades and not chasing after grey market volume keys is because they made the decision that it was better to be lax about that stuff. Because outdated and pirated copies of windows were a big security problem. It was costing them way more to deal with botnets of XP machines than they could ever hope to recoup in sales. (Though with the 11 upgrade requirements it might return, maybe they've forgotten this lesson.)
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SlowBloke posted:An increasing number of low income families in Italy are phone only, to the point that complaints are starting to bubble up if public services are delivered in a way that isn't mobile friendly. If the budget is stretched thin, a desktop is a luxury not a tool. Again, I know that most people want phones and do not want desktops in the present day. My point was that I don't think that phone prices have much to do with desktop popularity(well, and that the "typical" prices in the example were inflated). If your budget is that thin then you probably aren't buying a new phone either unless your old one gets lost or stolen, and you certainly aren't shelling out $1000 for an iPhone 15 Pro or whatever the hell like in the original example. On the other hand, if your budget is at a point that you are even remotely contemplating such a purchase, a modest desktop which will last 5+ years with minor if any updates is absolutely not going to be inconceivable. The reason such a person would not buy a desktop is that they do not want a desktop. Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Aug 2, 2024 |
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Uh, has there been some sort of fuckery with anyone elses youtube feed? All of a sudden (as of, like 10 minutes ago), my feed is full of these obviously hacked accounts that are all live and have extremely NSFW thumbnails   E: I was wrong, its 50/50 nude stuff and Trump stuff, which the youtube algorithm should have no questions about how I feel about Trump at this point, so something weird is up Beve Stuscemi fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Aug 2, 2024 |
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And just like that, its back to normal again. That was very weird
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Beve Stuscemi posted:Uh, has there been some sort of fuckery with anyone elses youtube feed? I had that exact thumbnail (not sure about the account) pop up about 15 minutes ago - I reported it, which is not something I even knew you could do on youtube
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You're not alone, my feed had 2 of these out of no where.
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Eletriarnation posted:Again, I know that most people want phones and do not want desktops in the present day. My point was that I don't think that phone prices have much to do with desktop popularity(well, and that the "typical" prices in the example were inflated). If your budget is that thin then you probably aren't buying a new phone either unless your old one gets lost or stolen, and you certainly aren't shelling out $1000 for an iPhone 15 Pro or whatever the hell like in the original example. Even their whole thing about Lightning/iphones being USB 2.0 speed until you get to the most expensive recent models gets lost on the fact that most of the ppl backing their photo library up to their phone/tablet’s implementation of iPhoto or whatever aren’t ever doing wired transfers or backups from a desktop or vice versa. They’re just keeping all of their photos on iOS iPhoto year in, year out Like maybe if they have to print or share something they’ll email it or message it out. People like my mom, etc, absolutely get by keeping all of their poo poo on budget/old/entry level/etc phones trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Aug 2, 2024 |
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I didn't get any but I saw a couple other people on social media say they saw similar
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Yeah I saw that thumbnail. Pretty brief though, barely had time to finish
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I thought I was going crazy today. Homepage has been an endless feed of foreign language video game feeds, and a few straight up pornographic thumbnail feeds. Lots of reports on the youtube reddit as well; someone said their account is not age-verified but still got a thumbnail of a vagina closeup. [edit: see above, I think it was the same] They either broke some poo poo, or someone is having fun with them.
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Happy_Misanthrope posted:Yeah I saw that thumbnail. Pretty brief though, barely had time to finish 5 seconds?!
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Also noticed that this morning, I've blocked like twenty channels at least (including that very same nws thumbnail!) - I thought it was in some way my fault, I'd been watching the ONE Friday Fights card live and figured the YouTube algorithm had taken that to mean, he loves [live] type content
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Mental Hospitality posted:... but still got a thumbnail of a vagina closeup. [edit: see Had the same happen to me years ago on these very forums. I was at my parents place, and my mom asked "What's that site you're always looking at? Can I see?" The one time I show her SA, and she clicks to some random thread where someone had decided to go out in a blaze of glory and spam post endless close-up pics of vaginas. Here cries of "Wha.... no, NO?! Oh god, there's so many! I keep scrolling and it doesn't end!" will always be hilarious to me.
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YouTube Reddit seems to think they’re accounts going live with an ungodly amount of tags that basically hit everyone’s feed because they’re casting such a wide net I love that YouTube can’t recognize a video with 50,000 tags as being not legit but they can recognize 0.2 seconds of copyrighted music in the middle of an earthquake.
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Beve Stuscemi posted:YouTube Reddit seems to think they’re accounts going live with an ungodly amount of tags that basically hit everyone’s feed because they’re casting such a wide net I've seen posts on reddit from minors asking why they have porn on their homepage. Honestly, seems Kinda Bad. Surprised this isn't somewhat of a story considering just how many people have noticed it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6vQlvefGxk Steve is the Big Mad at Intel, particularly the extent to which they have been loving with their announcements around the CPU issue, as well as ghosting him when he E-mails with concerns while silently updating old communication to respond to his concerns in the worst way possible.. Also they announced 15k layoffs. e: There's some wild dives into old anecdotal reports before this came up formally, and it's pretty interesting. Seven Deadly Sins fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Aug 3, 2024 |
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Weaponized Autism posted:Yeah I just mentioned cost as a point of emphasis but my main takeaway was that there is a lot of overlap between what you can use a cellphone and a desktop computer for. More and more people can live off of their phones and have less of a need or dependency on a desktop (or laptop even), so they aren't going to buy one. AAA gaming is sucking dogshit anyway so that's even less appeal to own a PC
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Palladium posted:AAA gaming is sucking dogshit anyway so that's even less appeal to own a PC you mean even more appeal right? because you can't really play indie games on a console
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Shipon posted:you mean even more appeal right? because you can't really play indie games on a console They release indie games on console now, have for a while actually. Just the only console people buy them on is the Switch.
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Palladium posted:AAA gaming is sucking dogshit anyway so that's even less appeal to own a PC The pro move is to own a steam deck.
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I feel like one of the biggest perks of having a PC for gaming is that you can ignore new AAA games entirely and still have a library a mile deep. Not only do you have all of the older and indie games available on Steam, GOG, etc., but you also have a prime platform for emulators. The gulf between old console and modern desktop performance is so large that you can basically assume anything with a remotely good and recent CPU and GPU will run rings around PS2 and older platforms, and PS3/Wii U/Switch are definitely viable these days. It's really this that has caused me to continue keeping a good desktop for my whole life while I've lost interest in stationary console systems. The PC allows me to keep up with current games if I buy a new GPU every 2-5 years, but whether I do or not it still offers the option of virtually every game I've ever played or been interested in previously. That's setting aside all of the non-game functionality, which is obviously in a different league from any console.
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Really, owning a Switch and a PC/Deck will get you to about 98% of all the games you could want.
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Beve Stuscemi posted:Really, owning a Switch and a PC/Deck will get you to about 98% of all the games you could want. The only games that are hard to play nowadays are 3DS titles. That dual screen with a touch screen causes all sorts of issues when trying to play it on "normal" hardware. You run into problems where you don't have a touch screen (and the mouse is a terrible alternative) or you don't have the screen real estate for the dual screens or there is no convenient way to actually hold your system when trying to play games that use both buttons and the touch screen.
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In 2023 "Gaming PC" sales: 44 million units PS5: 20.8 million units Switch: 15.7 million units Xbox: lol lmao PC gaming is so back! (Yeah some of this is just where we are in the cycle, particularly the switch is tailing off because everybody already has one. But Sony & MS putting 1st-party console former-exclusives on PC isn't an accident, and I don't think it's gonna be a short-term trend.)
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"Gaming PC" is such a broad term as to be basically meaningless in terms of capabilities though. That could mean a 14900K/4090 or a R5 5600/1660S that solely exists to play Fortnite, Valorant or Siege.
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njsykora posted:"Gaming PC" is such a broad term as to be basically meaningless in terms of capabilities though. That could mean a 14900K/4090 or a R5 5600/1660S that solely exists to play Fortnite, Valorant or Siege. something tells me a 14900k isn't going to be doing much gaming any time soon
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njsykora posted:"Gaming PC" is such a broad term as to be basically meaningless in terms of capabilities though. That could mean a 14900K/4090 or a R5 5600/1660S that solely exists to play Fortnite, Valorant or Siege. What difference does that make? If I had a switch and it existed solely to play BOTW and TOTK, is is not a switch anymore? Is Fortnite not a game? Anyways I'm sure "gaming PC" is a pretty artificial category with arbitrary criteria that varies between the companies selling them. But it also doesn't include whatever number of the 200 million other PCs sold in 2023 that are playing Fortnite, Valorant or Siege.
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Klyith posted:What difference does that make? If I had a switch and it existed solely to play BOTW and TOTK, is is not a switch anymore? Is Fortnite not a game? Because a switch is a single use machine. There’s no reason to own one besides gaming, and you know that any purchased are for that. Meanwhile a lot of PCs get bought for other uses and then get a low requirements game put on it. Is the laptop that someone bought to write papers in college a “gaming PC” because they installed DOTA?
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Cyrano4747 posted:Because a switch is a single use machine. There’s no reason to own one besides gaming, and you know that any purchased are for that. They're "gaming PCs" because Dell or Levono or whoever put them in the "gaming PC" category of their sales numbers rather than the office or home or workstation or whatever other categories. While that doesn't mean they get used for gaming, there are for sure plenty of PCs from the "home office" category that have games played on them. And like, the number is more* than everyone else put together, come on. It's like arguing against the PS2's dominance by saying the lots of them got used as cheap DVD players. *MS doesn't give sales numbers, the other two do. But with reliable estimates that the PS5 was outselling both xboxes by 3:1, it seems like MS would have needed an awfully good year to make up the gap.
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