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Rudager
Apr 29, 2008


Kreez posted:

I like a lot of Linus videos because he shows an awful lot of his fuckups and how he fixes them on camera, and I find that the best way to really learn about something. Similarly, I find industrial/enterprise stuff more interesting than consumer stuff, and he's the only guy I know of on YT who dips into enterprise stuff every now and then from the perspective of someone who doesn't deal with the stuff all day, and it makes those videos far more approachable and interesting to me, someone who doesn't touch computers for a living.

Of the “enterprise” stuff of his I’ve seen I wouldn’t be trying to learn anything from it, and it’s more like prosumer stuff and the poo poo he does with it is usually batshit crazy for entertainment.

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Rudager
Apr 29, 2008


Kreez posted:

What I meant by my above post is that there are plenty of YouTube watchers out there who have literally never heard of ZFS, never really understood the purpose of rackmounting hardware, didn't know bonding multiple ethernet ports was a thing, etc. and watching something like Linus work on his server room is a nice way for said Youtube watchers to at least become aware of the existence of enterprise stuff. I haven't come across any other mainstream tech channels that even look sideways at non-consumer stuff. It's interesting to watch, even if it's only useful as a first step into learning about some other part of the computer world.

What about my friend Morten?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=user?SirNetrom1

He plays with actual (old) enterprise stuff in a house he inherited that he basically turned into a giant home lab. He does some videos in his dayjob as some kind of tech or something too.

I just picked on at random https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-aOGni1G9k where it looks like he's setting up a giant storage server for use in an actual production environment. It's not as exciting as Linus, and I think he focus's on straight hardware a bit much, but he does do some ESXi cluster setups and stuff occasionally.

He does do some really oddball and dumbshit some times with electronics and tools, but other that that you're much more likely to learn something actually useful about enterprise stuff.

I wasn't joking when I said don't try and learn anything from Linus's "enterprise" stuff

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008


Arivia posted:

Did you actually watch the video? It's a response to a bunch of viewers freaking out at the activation notices and he walks them through how activating doesn't make any sense for temporary demo machines, explains his licensing and shows how he keeps licenses on hand for those machines, they just don't get activated.

It's a clickbait title and sane video, which is the same as most LTT content; it's explaining why and how he wouldn't get sued/he's fine if he gets audited, etc. He's not actually a pirate, it just looks that way to the uninformed.

I'm not rewatching that dumb video again, but from memory he just had a pile of retail keys no a shelf and went "see we got keys! We good!", ignoring the fact there's no way he's complying with MS's licensing terms, there's way better ways to license it as a business that would be 100 times easier to stay in compliance and actually activate them.

But then, he is also the guy that had a dumb giant RAID monstrosity that he had to pay a shitload of money to recover data from when a disk died.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008


Mu Zeta posted:

I mean it sounds like he doesn't really have to work anymore. Maybe leave the other guys to run the channel and he can just hang out with his family.

As much as his stuff isn't for me, gotta take my hat off to him for having the foresight to build it up in a way that he can remove himself and it still keeps humming along. Not many youtube stars that have channels that start off basically built around them solely that could do the same thing.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008


Watched the first couple of minutes and I honestly don't know if he's being sarcastic or not when he literally goes "So Eaton said we have to have a bunch of clearance behind the UPS for airflow I guess so I knocked out a wall and made this space behind it, which is great cause now I can store all this poo poo in there!" and also still having 3" thick sound deadening still there where the wall was.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008


mewse posted:

One really funny thing I noticed in this most recent video is that they're putting the UPS stack behind the server rack. Server racks intake air at the front, and exhaust hot air at the back, directly into this UPS unit

It's OK there's like 3-4 cubic meters of sealed in air behind the UPS for it to vent that hot air + it's own heat into forever.

After watching to the end, the icing on the cake was the fan setup to blow into where they installing the UPS, presumably because it was uncomfortably hot working in there for a few hours.

I feel sorry for Eaton having to write off a bunch of poo poo and help him fix this poo poo up because the alternative is a, probably unintentionally by Linus to be fair, bad PR video goes up to his massive audience that his really good Eaton UPS just randomly blew up!

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008


stevewm posted:

It has been mentioned they also produce videos/commercials for other companies in the PC hardware market...

I didn't know that, that's pretty smart actually! Can't fault his business skills in being able to build it from himself reviewing stuff on YouTube into an actual business with diversified income streams instead of 99% of other big youtuber's who just go and make a second VLOG channel or sell merchandise a to diversify.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008



Well yeah, that's just money for the taking.

None of the other big tech channels seem to have come up with a way to take the contacts they have from doing promo bits and turn it into a new revenue stream completely independent of the Youtube stuff, that's the bit I'm a bit impressed by.

Rudager fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Jun 12, 2020

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008


Flail Snail posted:

There hasn't been any tech idiot chat in a couple of days. Enjoy Linus dropping something..

1:33:00 if that timestamp isn't respected.

I like to think alot of his stuff is somewhat scripted for my own sanity, then he goes and gets himself tangled up in a cable literally hovering above an anti-trip cable cover on the floor that every other cable is running under.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008


Nah Dell should shoulder some blame there.

(For context this is from the Dell Australia site cause I'm too lazy to change regions)

I just went to the Dell website and the Precision 5820 tower that's just under the $5k mark has the tag line

quote:

For Professional Creators: Includes a stronger processor, more memory, a larger hard drive and a high end graphics card.

With a 1tb 7200RPM spinner.

Just looking again and the most expensive 3650 tower has a 1tb spinner while literally every other lower price point 3650 has an SSD or no hard drive included, and again it's got that same tag line about being for professional creators.

It's well within realms of possibility that someone would go "well the most expensive off the shelf version of these must be the best and it does say it's for content creation" and ends up with a massive bottle neck of a hard drive in it.

If Dell are going to suggest straight up on their site that it's for professional creators, implying someone doing professional levels of video editing, they shouldn't be surprised when someone tries to do professional levels of video editing and complains that it runs like dogshit.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008


I think people are struggling to forget all they know about PC's and look at this from a purely layman perspective relying on what you can google and learn without expert knowledge and what the sales page on the website says.


Klyith posted:

Dell's website ain't a car dealership. There are no high-pressure sales. He overcharged himself. Could dell have way more detailed information about each model and its respective capabilities? Yeah, they could. But point to another large OEM that does that. Dell is not uniquely bad in this respect.

Dell's customer support is bad. But again, what company can you point to that is leagues better? Do you think there's some legendary PC oem that, when you call with these problems, says "oh dear I'm sorry to hear that, would you prefer a refund or would you like to exchange that PC for one better suited to your needs?" What planet are you from?

Dell puts "creators" on the ad copy for 2/3rds of the PCs on their site including the non-workstations. As does lenovo, HP, and everyone else. Look, here's a PC that's branded with Creator right in the name. Default storage? A 1TB 7200RPM spinner!

OEM PCs suck pretty universally, that's why we have a 5000 page thread about building your own.

"All the other companies they compete with are all equally as bad" is a really, really bad way of justifying things.

Just because that's the de facto industry standard thing, doesn't mean it's correct or the way it should be done.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008


Klyith posted:

Say I met a carpenter who was ranting about how long it took to cut, file, and sand down the dowel pins in his tenon joints. So I ask "where's your backsaw?" and then he says "what's a backsaw?", well, my reaction is not to be :argh: at the saw companies.

In that situation you have a trade qualified expert not knowing about tools of his trade, and that should be on him to know that.

Fairly different to a guy with no PC knowledge going to Dell's website to buy a PC expecting the one they label as "Built for content creators" to be suitable to his content creation small business/hobby.

If your an average joe blow going to the hardware store looking for something to secure two pieces of timber together, you're going to buy the pack of screws with the big "Timber Screws" writing on the front because that's exactly what you want to do, if you got home and screwed it all together and it fell apart a day later because they were in fact sheet metal screws no-one would question your rights to go back and demand a refund from the store.

Rudager fucked around with this message at 05:44 on Jul 29, 2021

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008


Klyith posted:

Why is a PC any different? Are PCs so mystifyingly complicated that only a qualified expert who has served a apprenticeship can know their secrets? They're not. Hand tools also have a lot of variations, and if you use the wrong thing you'll gently caress up your work or your tool. I'm not a carpenter but I do projects. An hour or so of prep and research is normal when I don't know the right way to do a thing. Learning that a backsaw exists and it's the right tool for the job is part of the job.

The place where this analogy falls apart is that learning about hand tools is a lot easier than PCs, because there are regular-rear end books that tell you what you need to know. I don't know what the current state of PC books is but I'd guess dire.

If PC's were so easy to use that anyone could completely figure them out with an hour of googling/youtube videos like a hand tool, then most of us on this subforum would be out of a job.

I just can't get behind the idea that the customer is 100% at fault if they take what these companies say in their advertising at face value and don't spend hours learning all about it or pay for expert advice.

The customer shouldn't be expected to have to fight against a corporation spending multi-millions to deliberately walk the line of false advertising without going over it. It's no accident the wording on Dell's website for the use case is broad and vague.

Anyway, agree to disagree at the end of it all I guess.

Rudager
Apr 29, 2008


Klyith posted:

Yeah, but extend the learning time for 1 hand tool to the entire set of hand & power tools in a decently-equipped workshop of someone who does woodworking as a career or serious hobby.

Tools are a bit easier because you can learn one at a time, and your chisel never stops working because on an obscure conflict with the table saw across the room. But yo, it takes a lot of hours of learning and practice into being any good with them. If you think they're easier than a PC because the dumb jocks did shop class, you're very wrong.

I know I said I'd stop, but really, how far down the road do you want to shift those goal posts? You started as comparing a PC to a single hand tool and being able to do some light research to figure it out, now it's turned into being the equivalent of learning about a whole workshop full of tools.

Can you quantify what the appropriate level of knowledge needed to buy a PC in this case?

Klyith posted:

So I've been thinking about it, and I'm thinking this is a situation where some people are assigning "fault" as a practical matter and other people care about moral fault. And if you care about moral fault, then me saying the guy was a dumbass feels like injustice.

Pretty much every consumer protection law in existence is built around ensuring companies deliver a "morally correct" level of service or quality of product because we as a society learned the hard way what happens if you don't enforce some minimum level.

And again it comes back to the point similar to before that just because everyone else in the industry is equally as bad, it doesn't make it an OK thing to put up with. Similarly just because it's technically legal, it can still be something that's not OK to put up with.

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Rudager
Apr 29, 2008


It's not just YouTube specific, it's just the news industry in general.

Like that old saying goes, if it bleeds it leads.

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