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The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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Ziploc posted:

I almost think he deserves it. Since to this day he absolves himself of any wrong doing, and everyone who disagrees is an 'angry nerd who is jealous that they don't have a computer as good as his.'

I saw him streaming Tarkov last year. Which of course he touted as being someone who knew stuff about the game/been playing it for a while. But proceeded to get many fundamental things wrong about it and was basically making rookie mistakes the entire time. Like bringing magazines into a raid that didn't even fit in his gun. It was absolutely fascinating. He also made all kinds of weird excuses for his mistakes too.

I find him in general to be a pretty interesting person. Only because I never ever want to be so out of touch with what's going on around me as he was.

Obviously, it's a bad video. But it can be pretty overwhelming to feel like the entire internet is hassling you for something you probably had to do at your job. People can criticize the Verge editorial process if they want to - editors and management have a duty of care to their staff and its entirely an editor's job to say "I don't think this should be put out there".

The line between harassment and criticism isn't as obvious as people think. Especially when criticism comes in such volume and for such a sustained period of time.

And in terms of the follow-up reaction, if you felt like the entire internet was trying to ruin your life just because you hosed up at work, you'd probably react poorly too. We all would.

Honestly, it's completely embarrassing seeing people on the internet continue to dissect this guy's entire career. I don't think people realize how terrifying it can be to do a public facing job at the best of times, let alone when you gently caress up. He doesn't owe angry nerds on the internet anything. The video got taken down quickly and it didn't cause a legion of new PC builders to burn down their homes. We've all done work we're less than happy with, and there are all kinds of reasons why that might be the case.

My one caveat to all this is it is pretty funny when Steve Burke or Linus or whoever casually says "that's right, we got one" when they review a CPU.

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The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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At least with console fandom, stupid as it is, you can see how its rooted in not wanting buyer's remorse over missing out on console exclusive games or whatever. And with graphics cards you get certain technologies that are exclusive to either vendor. But this whole team red/team blue thing is literally just rooted in ... whichever one does maths the fastest for cheapest? And yet people get just as tribal as with everything else?

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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Pilfered Pallbearers posted:

You donít have an intel inside (tm) tramp stamp? Because I do.

Does anyone actually do anything with the little glitzy stickers that come with their CPUs? I feel like to slap it on my case would somewhat defeat the point of having built my own PC from scratch

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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Vintersorg posted:

It's gonna slowly turn into a rich kid hobby if things keep going bad. This could destroy the scene if only a bunch of whales are in it.

Building PC's - at least gaming pcs - has always been a rich kid hobby though? When I was a kid/teenager, it was only the people from rich families who had high end PCs (and then thru my 20's when I wasn't earning all that much it was only friends who were into games but also worked in finance or whatever who had the nice PCs). The rest of us made do on our janky Compaq family computers, or whatever old laptops were handed down to us.

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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HalloKitty posted:

Nope, it was a cheap hobby, overclocking Durons and Celerons and cutting up lovely old cases to gain some airflow. Rich kids bought Alienware..

Of course, you could spend a lot, but it was far from an exclusive thing. Most pirated Windows with few exceptions, saving that in the budget too

I'm aware of how much stuff cost back in the day - I remember 10 years ago building a really good PC for £400-£500 or so - but I guess I'm learning that my idea of what constitutes a rich kid is vastly different from a lot of people in this thread. It was cheaper back then but still felt like a lot of money back then, I could only really afford it because I was working full time but was still a teenager and hadn't moved out of home yet. Maybe it's a country thing?

I mean, it did still feel like you were cheating the system by building your own because it was so much cheaper than getting an alienware or whatever.

On topic: I get why people find Linus annoying, but everything I've read about the guy makes it sound like he just wants to build a sustainable business where he can pay all his staff as much as possible for as long as possible, and they seem very conscious about e-waste and stuff like that - although the 'sustainable business' part I guess means rinsing the YouTube algorithm for all its worth in every conceivable way. I was surprised by how much I enjoyed that roast they did of him. Even his wife was completely slamming him for the fact that his fanbase is entirely teenage boys.

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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Worldshatter posted:

Is there a tangible benefit to twitter verification beyond it just being more difficult to impersonate you (which if you're a big personality/a business, is admittedly a big plus)?

Just noticed a lot of people going for it and getting rejected recently

I used to helm a verified account for work, although it was a year ago so apologies if this is out of date or if any of this is now just available to every twitter acc:

You can filter notifications by other verified accounts, which is good if you get notifications in volume, and if your communications strategy needs you to court or otherwise hassle influential people

It's generally good for growing your audience. A blue tick will get you noticed and help grow your follower count - especially if you're tweeting as an organisation/company/media outlet. People trust a blue tick.

The huge one though is that it gives you access to Twitter Media Studio. This lets you schedule Tweets (which other websites do), but also schedule video clips to twitter, and include things like .srt subtitle files, and also stores your media to make it easier to tweet out again down the road.


It's kind of ridiculous how much more you can do. Your analytics also get a lot richer. It'll give you estimates for the education level of your followers, how many of them are homeowners, their consumer buying habits, all kindws of creepy stuff like that.

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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K8.0 posted:

It happens to everyone. Most reviewers of anything, even the including the personable people you like (actually especially those people) are absolutely soulless shills, aided and abetted by the fact that they don't know a goddamn thing about what they're reviewing and also a lack of creative thinking to search for and understand potential flaws. If you have the ability to figure out what's wrong with a product, you're no longer just a hype machine and thus you're dangerous to the manufacturer.

There is a middle ground, where it happens to everyone and people politely turn down the offer but don't also burn their bridges with a useful PR contact.

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKzmYsySGFQ

Oh wow, Linus did a video with Verge PC build guy. Good on him. That original video should have never been published, but was clearly the result of a breakdown in communication and line management between the dude, managing editors, and production staff/video editors, all on an unreasonable deadline.

He goes into how he dealt with the backlash too, which sounds like bad advice from his employers and his employers' legal team.

Linus is super reflective and reasonable about how that stuff can happen in video production (presenting to camera is scary, stressful, and can push your brain to do all kinds of stupid poo poo - you rely on the person in the editing booth to present you in a good light) and why it was wrong for tech youtubers to just crucify this guy's career.

Just impressed with how... grown up the whole thing is?

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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Klyith posted:

Is it wrong for GN to put a clip of gigabyte PSUs blowing up into every video they've made for the last month? I'm sure there are some totally nice people getting fired from Gigabyte right now, because the company is staring at a giant loss coming up. A bunch of them probably have nothing to do with the PSUs. Stop crucifying Gigabyte!



The guy didn't deserve what happened to him, but that's on the Verge for running a lovely high-pressure content farm operation, escalating to DCMA strikes, and then throwing him off the back of the sled to the wolves when the heat got too high. That's where like 90% of the blame should be laid, and the other 10% is on the internet shitheads who buzz around like vile flies to unload nasty harassment on the weak target of the month. Those people absolutely suck. But saying youtubers are responsible for harassment because of those shitheads is both wrong, and only amplifies the results.

His employer destroyed his career, full stop.

IMO blaming tech youtubers for the results is carrying water for Vox Media, a lovely company which at the time was also fighting against their employees unionizing and doing a "work for exposure not pay" trick with their sports websites. They are the ones that fired the guy. Not youtubers. gently caress that and gently caress Vox.

I mean in my post I clearly blamed his employer. I've done editorial work before and it's absolutely the responsibility of the editors above you to step in when they think you're going to publish something seriously stupid, which is incredibly easy for you to do as a .

But also, it's completely obviously a shameful indictment of the youtube outrage industrial complex and the material effect it has on people's lives. The GN PSU thing isn't targeted harrasment of an individual, and is trying to stand up for customers in a meaningful way. Contrast with this, where youtubers were being shitheads behind an incredibly flimsy smokescreen of "but if someone follows this guide something bad might happen so we are protecting people", stoking up their already lovely audiences. If all those reaction videos were about the Verge, I'd agree with you. But they obviously weren''t.

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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Fame Douglas posted:

The IO shield also makes plugging things in blindly easier. Just make it the first thing you put into your PC, then you're golden. Really not hard. Spending extra on a mobo that doesn't have an IO shield seems like a waste.

Got a new motherboard recently and probably my favourite thing about it is it has a nice quality io shield built directly onto the board itself. It's all flush with the various ports.

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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Fame Douglas posted:

But not with the case, I assume.

What? Of course it is.

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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K8.0 posted:

The Verge was and is garbage, but Stefan also deserves plenty of blame. You can wing poo poo to a certain degree, but if you can't tell zip ties from tweezers, you should know that you have no business telling people how to build a computer.

He could have used the infamy as an opportunity to bail from his job, take ownership of the mess and parlay his fame into something more positive, but I mean... if you're the sort of person who winds up working as a host for The Verge doing amazingly bad tutorials, you probably don't have many people around you giving good advice. The more bad decisions you make, the easier it is to keep making bad decisions. I'm glad he's finally got an opportunity to move on from being a walking meme, but let's not pretend that video was any less bad than it was.

On the whole, I think the best thing people can take away from it is that video "experts" rarely have any clue what the gently caress they're talking about, their actual profession is "host" and the confidence is part of the job, not something that's warranted by their knowledge. If you were an expert in every field, the vast majority of videos on youtube purporting to supply knowledge would be just as transparently awful. Go watch some videos related to your career, I bet you want to blow your loving brains out 45 seconds in to most of them. That video got exposed hard because the audience likely to watch a "how to build a PC" video tends to primarily be people who already know in detail how to build a PC.

I mean, I feel like your second point kind of undercuts your first there. You don't have to be an expert in all things tech to be a tech journalist, as you say, and it's fairly likely that the publication said "pc building videos are ranking high on SEO right now, you need to do one pronto", and he wasn't given the time or resources to properly do his research. When you're early career in a hyper competitive enthusiast press you'll probably feel a huge amount of pressure to do what you're told. The pressure to wing it instead of passing up the job as a young guy with one of the few jobs in a dying but coveted industry will be immense.

And I can totally see it being a cascade of failures, where the video editor (also working to an unreasonable deadline) uses the footage where the guy says tweezers instead of zip ties (people misspeak ALL THE TIME when presenting to camera. I've had to edit out so many people with actual expertise saying completely the opposite of what they mean plenty of times), they use the wrong shots in the wrong order, etc etc etc.

Obviously I'm speculating, but then so is everyone else who is assuming that this is all him running off his own steam, or that there weren't a million stupid logistical reasons for how the final edit turned out how it did (which includes misinformation said directly to camera).

If he was a youtuber working solo, I'd agree with you on your first point. But honestly the fault completely lies with the publisher. It's the whole job of the editorial chain above you to decide whether or not your content passes the bar for quality - and to give you the time and resources you need to do a proper job. And if people in your editorial chain (or in the editing bay) don't have the expertise to decide which footage to use - especially in a video that's supposed to be educational like this - then you either budget to bring on a behind the scenes consultant, or you don't commission the content at all.

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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Klyith posted:

Blaming people who didn't do a thing, instead of the people who did it and the platforms that enable them, is dumb. Holding the people with the least control over the results responsible diminishes the vast chasm of responsibility that social media and especially twitter live in.

You post on SA, this site has collectively done some pretty reprehensible poo poo in the past. Can I blame you for that poo poo?

Your point about SA posting makes no sense, but to your previous point, if somebody has an audience, and especially if that audience is known to operate collectively in certain ways, then how that person mobilises that audience is absolutely their responsibility. Whether or not those reaction videos were racist, they were designed to be as hyped up and overblown as possible. It doesn't diminish the responsibility of the people in the hate mob to say that the people who riled up the hate mob to begin with are just as responsible.

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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Jack Ratigan posted:

Actually it sounds like you don't know what you are talking about. Who's audiences "act a certain way collectively"? Is there a threshold for "collective PC gamer racism"? Is there a chart? How much of the pie has to be filled before making fun of a black man screwing up is "riling up a hate mob"?
Youtubers have no ability to protect POC from shitheels.
The idea that they have the responsibility to makes me legitimately angry. It's paternalistic as hell. No one, not even Bitwit, were busting out with 1930's tom and jerry cartoons or winking at their evil audiences about, "those people".
Most of the videos I saw on the drat thing weren't even that zany or overblown. Unless the videos were made, or they were harder on him BECAUSE he's black, then he's fair game.

This whole line of thought is wild to me. Should they have taken steps to "protect" him from the videos backlash? Not reported on it?
Don't you realize how backhanded that is?

Hello I used to do a lot of online community management though that shouldn't be relevant to this and the other replies about it. The racism is bad but it's just the poo poo icing on a horrible cake. I mean just the pileon itself is bad enough and its hard to understate just how disproportionate the effect of that will be on your life to whatever slight you've done. It's not just your career - it's people doxxing you or calling your house or sending death threats or you having to change your email address and your phone number. Even if it's not that extreme, the psychological effect of getting so much hate is seriously awful and I wouldn't wish it on anyone who, uh, made a bad PC build guide that was only ever seen by people who already know how to build a computer.

The pileon itself I mean as more of a broad problem with youtube and the way that it incentivizes hype/strong reactions above all else from creators, which will whip up any audience into a frenzy (PC gamers are particularly awful but honestly these dynamics apply to any audience). Most of those videos maybe didn't feel that zany or overblown because they're in a sea of videos of people losing their poo poo to a marvel trailer or whatever. Honestly, most of the coverage wasn't 'reporting', it was entertainment - reaction videos/edits/etc. There are ways to "report" on this stuff in a way that focuses the narrative on the publication, but nobody did that.

I mean call it a faustian pact with the algorithm or whatever but when creators go into a space that directly incentivises them being as hype as possible about everything I think the least they could do is go the linus route and not direct that towards individuals because the internet and its uncapped audience is basically out of control.
The dynamics of the internet mean that these things will inevitably happen when someone in a public space as oversensitive as PC gaming makes some kind of mistake, but that doesn't mean you can't look at those people as willing participants in a completely toxic ecosystem!

A book I'd recommend to absolutely anyone is So You've Been Publically Shamed by Jon Ronson. It goes really well into the dynamics of all this - people's whose lives have tanked because of online pile-ons. I mean, this dude didn't exactly run a paramilitary death squad. But the internet doesn't really let you not shout as loudly about the bad PC build guide as the climate crisis or humanitarian disasters or whatever.

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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I think Linus is generally the best of that bunch, but in catering to their hardcore obsessive crowd, all of the tech tubers just massively overestimate how important it is to most people that things run optimally. Yes, there are lots of people out there who buy the new iPhone every year, but there's a sizeable base of people who hold on to their phones for as long as possible (and that number is rising!) - even if the screen is cracked to poo poo and the battery lasts an hour.

It's even more the case with computers, and has been for much longer! I'd wager we all know more people who hang onto barely functioning laptops than people who swap out components every time and clean out their desktops every few months or whatever. Like, most people I know will never and have never cleaned out the dust from their PC, laptop or games console, because it's honestly just not something they want to do, and it works well enough running a bit hotter. I have a friend whose laptop's CPU fan no longer works so the hardware beeps loudly until it switches itself off after about an hour, but it's good enough for them.

I guess it's crazy because as much as Linus et al want to campaign against e-waste, it's their specific audience relationship that encourages pointless upgrades/wanting the new thing/etc, most of which makes a benchmark number push higher but has no functional difference for real-world use cases.

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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Warmachine posted:


I prefer to spend my time customizing things other than my phone. My phone has a handful of jobs none of which I feel like compromising in the name of customization. For the same reason you don't overclock a production server, I don't jailbreak my phone--or even want to install things outside the Apple walled garden. It still boggles my mind that people don't understand this philosophy.

I mean it's obvious to everyone why Apple devices are good, but people willfully pretend that there's some philosophical hardship inherent in a closed system for the same superiority-complex reasons people on the internet make other empty statements like "gameplay over graphics" - to defend habits and biases that nobody was attacking in the first place. A lot of tech people are very dogmatically function over form, basically.

But yeah, I hear you. I have a PC because I like to tinker, and a Windows laptop because it's easier when I already have a PC. But nobody buying a mac or an iPhone are being decieved. They're beautiful and functional objects that fit into most people's lives tremendously well.

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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For all of Steve Burke's incredible stringencies when it comes to tech, every time I open one of his videos the first thing I think is that it should be Gamers' Nexus or Gamer's Nexus

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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Saw Linus reacting to the Facebook/Oculus news saying its good because it reduces e-waste, which got me thinking about just how much his channel talks about reducing and mitigating e-waste. It all just feels so massively hyprocritical to me, in that LTT is so much about hyping up incremental and unneccessary upgrades, encouraging a (generally younger) fanbase to embrace top spec components as and when they come out. But then he'll say under his breath that a lot of staff still have mid-range PCs, or that you should recycle your poo poo or whatever, as if that is going to have a tangible impact on his fanbase over a video of some RAM with a thumbnail of one of his staff member looking ecstatic about it. And like, even if you repurpose your old motherboard into a home server you're still driving a massively polluting industry by buying new components for absolutely no reason. I don't know - is there some other aspect to his business practices that I'm missing here? If your whole business model is hyping up prosumer tech to an enthusiast fanbase, your net contribution to the climate crisis is probably a very bad one.

edit: I mean look I love computers too and by running my superflously powerful PC I too am part of the problem!!

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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Pilfered Pallbearers posted:

Itís possible to both cater to a crowd who is interested in/uses high end or frequently upgraded components AND spread the message of e-waste.

Genuinely, using a platform like that to support conservation is actually very successful. Zoos are used as funding to support an enormous amount of animal conservation, as are the fees for hunting licenses and fishing licenses.

I don't think zoos are a good analogy because they aren't also encouraging people to go out and poach endangered species. In fact, the fundamental point of most zoos is to promote conservation. LTT isn't a "look at the cool stuff you can do with discarded PC compnents channel", it's a "lets fetishize the new stuff and why people should continually upgrade" channel. Similarly, overfishing and ocean pollution from commercial fishing massively outweigh any kind of conservation efforts, which are generally coordinated by governments and NGOs and not the fishing industry itself. And even then, I wouldn't say fishing licenses are at all successful in mitigating damage - most of the great pacific garbage patch is waste from commercial fishing.

I would also suspect that in terms of the net environmental damage done by tech consumption at an enthusiast level, e-waste is probably a neglibable part of it all. Really, being environmentally responsible from Linus would mean getting rid of so much of the hype machine aspects of his channel, which would mean fewer views/subs and a smaller business.

SlowBloke posted:

A non-insignificant part of Linus viewer base buys the new parts by selling their old pcs to friends and family, the ďturn into a serverĒ is for money bags, esp nowadays where a top end build can reach motorcycle prices.

I hope so!

njsykora posted:

Also how the hell does Facebook rebranding Oculus reduce waste?
Ah sorry I should have been clearer - with that news came the news that you won't need a facebook account to continue to use oculus devices, which apparently makes it less likely they'll become obsolete and unusable, which I guess is true if you ignore all the other ways that modern mobile devices quickly become obsolete and unusable.

The Grumbles fucked around with this message at 12:05 on Oct 30, 2021

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:

I don't really understand what the deal is here. Are you mad about the concept of tech youtubers in general, or are you mad that someone with a large platform is promoting environmental causes?

If you don't think that being a tech youtuber is inherently a bad thing, and if you don't think that promoting environmental causes is bad, then why would doing both together be bad?

Steve from GamersNexus posted a blog-ish post on their Patreon a couple weeks ago about how he's basically putting all of his personal income into local conservation efforts, with the most recent one being a parcel of land he saved from being turned into a parking lot so he can basically turn it into a park instead. Are you also mad about that?

I'm confused as to what the issue is here.

Hello I am not mad about the concept of tech tubers in general nor am I mad that someone with a large platform is promoting environmental causes please do not try and catch me out with all this "but if you think X how can you think Y" 2006-rear end black and white forums debate hooey. I think you maybe saw blanket statements in a post that was specifically about something that makes me occasionally uncomfortable with how Linus jumps to criticise companies for practices linked to e-waste without looking at how his own business drives demand. Broadly speaking I like Linus and think he's done a lot of things right and responsibly, if not in an environmental context.

I mean tech tubers driving needless tech consumption is obviously true to an extent everywhere, although at that point it becomes a criticism of late capitalism so broad that there's no point getting into all that.

GN specifically is actually a really good example of how to be more responsible about presenting your content in a measured tone. I feel like Steve is more likely to say in his reviews, point blank "you don't need this". The guy just strikes me as super responsible as you can be about all this kind of stuff, so it's great to hear that he's putting so much of his money into conservation. That checks out with my impressions of the dude!

The reason LTT comes off as hypocritical is because all their content is very aggressively and obviously metrics-led above all the other channels, is written and presented in a way that curates and generates as much hype as possible about new stuff (because that gets you the biggest viewer numbers), in a way that both gives them the largest market share but also probably drives tech consumption above and beyond the other channels. So I personally don't think Linus occasionally complaining about e-waste under his breath (which I wouldn't personally describe as "promoting environmental causes") then somehow negates being irresponsible with all that other stuff. Like, if the name of the game for you is driving user engagement at all costs, including the tone, presentation and candour of your content, then you should probably take responsibility for that. If you want your channel to be environmentally friendly, I think you probably have to look more holistically about your core messaging and presentation.

The Grumbles fucked around with this message at 13:26 on Oct 30, 2021

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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GN Steve has chill dude at a house party queuing good music and answering questions about his cybernetics degree between blunt hits energy

Digital Foundry have secondary school IT department divorced dads complaining about the school's choice of routers energy

I like them both for both reasons

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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well why not posted:

Jay is a castle doctrine idiot and should be entirely ignored on any topic except making custom PCs.

If GN Steve is the cool PC repair shop guy who shows you how to overclock and gives you good advice on what parts to get, Jay is, uh, the other kind. The Comic Book Guy kind.

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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AlternateAccount posted:

Having worked for multiple retailers, the absolute shady weaseliness of tech customers cannot be overstated.

Not excusing Newegg, but nerds will absolutely lie, cheat, steal and abuse the gently caress out of vendors.

Honestly unless the vendor is some tiny independent repair shop, customers should absolutely feel free to not give a gently caress and fully abuse whatever RMA processes are in place. Same with returns at Costco or whatever. Go for it! Who cares! Getting away with stupid poo poo in the face of corporate commerce is fun and satisfying in equal measure.

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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edit: ⌃⌃⌃ hell yeah that's what I'm talking about

Klyith posted:

Hell yeah, everyone knows that when you steal from a big company the money gets deducted straight out of the CEO's salary. It never gets passed on to other customers, such as by dicking them over for returns of actually defective product!

Or is this gonna have some ~~bringing the socialist revolution~~ justification?

This is dumb. RMA requests that push their luck and are lucky enough to get away with it aren't the reason Newegg is dicking over customers who RMA faulty hardware. I never suggested you're actively harming the CEO or the company or whatever, either. I'm saying the opposite - its of literally no consequence to anyone if you RMA a piece of hardware just because you bought the wrong thing or hosed up. Push your luck, give it a go, it's fine. They're fully within their power to say no. Nobody needs to lose any sleep over the plight of these poor online marketplaces.

The Grumbles fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Jan 6, 2022

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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^^ we posted at the same time but yes obviously I'm not talking about returning a PS5 but replacing it with a load of bricks in the box first, and I don't think that other poster was either. I think it was more like people trying to RMA the xbox where their kid filled the DVD drive with cream cheese, to which my response is hell yeah RMA it see what happens. But also yeah like if you're gonna fill your car glove box with a million free pencils from ikea then absolutely go for it.

When I worked in bars we'd give out so many free drinks to all our friends because we knew that unsold wet stock would eventually go bad and be thrown out and the cost of all that was priced in, and because we knew the owners were raking it in anyway. This is technically theft, but is also actually a perk of the job.

What I'm saying is it's pretty obvious whether or not it's kosher to steal office supplies (so to speak) from a company depending on the company and product. The online retailers currently selling GPUs for way over MSRP as fast as they can stock them are probably okay to steal office supplies from.

The Grumbles fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Jan 6, 2022

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YGA8ufRjiY
I guess if we're grouchin on Linus I just wanna say that this take seems weird and pointless and only exists in the tone of wanting to have a take that can be seen to look at the whole situation from a higher vantage point and thus with more authority and thus with the final say.

Although I did like the bit where someone in the chat points out that GN Steve's whole deal was that he hadn't opened the shipping box before he sent it back to Newegg so the last 5 minutes of ranting was completely irrelevant, and so instead of just being like ''oh right okay then'' they made that commenter seem like an idiot by changing the terms of their rant to be about some hypothetical general situation and not about the specific Gamers Nexus video that the rant was initially responding to

You don't have to be a thought leader expert in everything. Just be a regular human. Why are youtubers like this

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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Steve is such a gem. Just so much integrity. I think the best thing that ever happened in terms of the quality of his content was him clearly losing any genuine interest in PC gaming/PC building which meant he could treat it like a job and not be bowled over by (and responsible for generating) hype. Meanwhile you have the LTT channel thumbnails with pictures of people's eyes popping out of their heads because DDR5 has marginal speed gains over DDR4 in benchmark scenarios with no actual use case equivalent. Or Jay's channel which is just pure "bullied at school but now I own my own home" energy.

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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Warmachine posted:

The more I consider it the more I think there's some kind of e-clout chasing going on with how people will white-knight lovely companies. In a "look at me and my dissenting opinion, so brave!" way.

I think at least with Youtubers it's just like - trying to show that yours is the final word because you've somehow considered more sides of the situation than the last guy. So you get Linus being all ''well it is hard to run a company and we need to weigh that against Steve's incredibly thorough actual investigative journalism''

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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This'll be like that feature length Louis Theroux documentary where he tries and fails to get access to the church of Scientology so the whole film is mostly just him hanging around by the roadside asking security people why David Miscavige won't return his calls.
That film still owned tho because it was Louis Theroux. This is gonna be a total car crash.

But Steve's been firing on all cylinders as of late. He should be allowed his weird lil indulgence.

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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cage-free egghead posted:

Huh? Two of them were under six months while the other two are 3 years and 19 years. I imagine that executive level companies have a hard time keeping people in certain roles for long periods, especially customer related ones.

Noo it's definitely a red flag that the ppl are so fresh-faced. It either means the company has trouble holding on to ppl at a high level (which I don't think is normal), or (more much likely I think) this isn't something anyone meaningful wanted to do so it landed on the new guys' desks.

Anyway it's all kind of a meaningless exercise but I'm just glad Steve got to have his fun lil treat time sparring with the c-suite and I thought he handled himself really well.

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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kliras posted:

He doesn't seem to understand labour protections beyond a very basic level. It's not like he's uniquely careless with this given his complete mismanagement of the server/backup system and other things like that. It's just that you shouldn't mess up stuff as important as this.

If someone's as clueless as he is, I'd at least try to find a way to set up some annual audits. What a lot of employers don't get is that unions also work as a management layer that actually helps do a lot of the job for you, and he clearly needs the help. Not to mention whatever weird division of labour and authority he has set up with his wife.

I really wanna know what a visit from the Canadian equivalent of OSHA would be like.

I don't doubt that he genuinely really cares about the well-being of his employees, and it's pretty obvious by everything from the clickbait thumbnails to the SEO-driven everything else that their priority is making it a sustainable business where they can pay their staff well and give everyone a secure future. So I kind of see his internal logic of ''I'm a nice guy boss". But yeah he seems to think unionisation is like a last resort thing employees have to do to fight the power, and not just good practice. Like, you should still have an HR policy even if your organisation has no HR incidents, it's the same thing. I'm sure LTT is a great place to work and the senior management team (some nerd and his wife) are super supporitve, but also if he's really a nice guy boss he should encourage his staff to join whatever sector-wide union might be out there. I don't really understand what he has to lose if everyone at LTT is as happy as he says they are.

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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Shipon posted:

Intel let Linus tour one of their fabs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ehSCWoaOqQ

What was that about visiting Israel being on his bucket list lol

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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Jim Silly-Balls posted:

Linus seems like he kinda sucks to actually work for. Which is par for the course in the evolution from "normal youtuber to rich guy"

I mean, the money seems good and he seems to want his employees to be as well paid as possible. He's said his aim for the company is for everyone who works for him to be able to afford a house.

That said, yeah dude even (especially!) if you think you're a great boss and "more a friend than a boss" just pay for an external HR and encourage your staff to unionise because it's good governance.

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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Remember when people would say "the geeks will inherit the earth" and it seemed like super utopian and not just men with tech brain making bad decisions

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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the talent deficit posted:

ltt does not pay well. neither does floatplane. the people you see on camera who seem happy are happy because they value being on camera more than having decent working conditions. everyone else doesn't last long at ltt

How do you know this? have ex staffers gone on twitter rants or something?

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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Warmachine posted:

This is something your legal team would catch at any sane company. From experience working with the one at mine, they tend to ask really specific questions out of left field about things you assumed, because it is their job to make sure whatever you are saying is the tightest in can possibly be from a "can this be used against us?" standpoint.

Good lawyers are actually pretty cool IMO. I've learned a lot just listening to the GC and AGC's comments on things I submit to them.

Not to discourage anyone clowning on Linus here, but it's pretty normal for a small company (esp. a small creative industry) to not have in-house legal. And yeah, this means all kinds of chaos can ensue, including around building regs and safety. Tiny lil outfits don't always budget for legal, but then as they scale up and they have something like this that should prob go through a lawyer they don't have any room in their management accounts to pay for it. That said tho in my country a small team will still usually have a board providing oversight, and you usually want a board member or two with a legal background so they can take a look at something like this for free. I'm going to hazard a guess here and say the board at LMG is 'The Sebastien Household'

edit: also just to mock Linus further, it might be the case depending on what the law is on stuff like this in canada that the previous owners were legally obligated to strip the place bare, because if they're not in the itinerary you can be like 'you left all these doorknobs and guard rails in the building and that's not what we agreed, so now we're charging you back for the cost of removal'. Either way, it's hilarious.

The Grumbles fucked around with this message at 09:35 on Jun 6, 2022

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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Yeah the doorknob thing is just the previous leaseholders being classy AF obvs

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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Those other dudes who have bought huge mansions off of their youtube money through their prank/eating challenge/bro-ing out channels should come to linus' tech brain mansion to give him a wedgie and then push him into a locker

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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Something something just charmingly naive

https://twitter.com/linusgsebastian/status/1536933187271610368?s=21&t=gPkWaro45TVbWam5Ljtt2A

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The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

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Kia Soul Enthusias posted:

I can't see the post they're replying to but I don't like "nobody's business but their own"

They must have deleted their post thanks to being overwhelmed by the unneccessary negative spotlight Mr. Sebastian put on the q. But it was essentially just like "Are there any openly queer tech youtubers out there/where's the queer visibility in the tech youtube world? If they're out there I'd love to follow them". Completely innocent and understandable question.

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