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I guess I should've said that "they" in English is originally plural by definition, and was historically used as plural in almost all cases until very recently. It would be useful to differentiate between singular and plural when you have the information to do so, in my humble opinion. So, considering this, it would seem that English isn't the best language for this either. Anyway, I didn't mean to derail the Cyberpunk discussion with that, so I'll just leave it.
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Singular they has been in common usage in English for centuries, it is not a new thing. Prescriptive Grammarians have been saying singular they is incorrect usage for centuries too, but who gives a gently caress.
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Oct 17, 2020 13:31
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If I see a robot arm on the floor, I think to myself and would say to someone "Oh somebody lost their robot arm, I hope THEY find it again" because I don't know the gender of the person who lost it. This is extremely common and so instinctual people don't think about it.
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CYBEReris posted:If I see a robot arm on the floor, I think to myself and would say to someone "Oh somebody lost their robot arm, I hope THEY find it again" because I don't know the gender of the person who lost it. This is extremely common and so instinctual people don't think about it. Nice anglocentrism there, you filthy imperialist.
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CYBEReris posted:If I see a robot arm on the floor, I think to myself and would say to someone "Oh somebody lost their robot arm, I hope THEY find it again" because I don't know the gender of the person who lost it. This is extremely common and so instinctual people don't think about it. In things like this is where I am still a non native English speaker.
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Jack Trades posted:Is there supposed to be stealth in this game? From the very first gameplay video I gotten the impression that there will be stealth but everything since has been about going full shooty bang bang only. yeah. you can stealth poo poo and play completely nonleathaly. WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Singular they has been in use since the 14th century. Get with the times. yeah. i think the issue is its gonna be translated into like 10 other languages and such. apperently from so article from a year ago. there is a them option and its not Binary choice. but than that article that got linked took off everyone ignored it because clearly CDPR are all nazis who hate Trans/NB people makes a better narrative than "making games is super loving hard and a complex subject in a customization system for an RPG with a gently caress ton of dialogue is hard and it some point your gonna gently caress up even if you mean well and at some point they will have to focus on other stuff because games cost money and they are a company after all" type deal. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Oct 17, 2020 |
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Oct 17, 2020 16:06
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They didn’t answer the most important question in the latest video - sure, there are lots of cool cars but can you do a total cybernetic conversion and be a car?
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ymgve posted:They didn’t answer the most important question in the latest video - sure, there are lots of cool cars but can you do a total cybernetic conversion and be a car?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmqHs_6VSzQ
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 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI8woJCctEQ&t=22s itry fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Oct 17, 2020 |
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Hey, it's been a few pages since we've laughed at this: wow which of you jerks reported cyberblyat???
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Oct 17, 2020 17:07
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A 580 should be able to run this reasonably on an ukltawide 14400 75hz monitor right? It's that or running it on my 1660 at 1080p
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Oct 17, 2020 17:34
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I don't think any card can run this at ultra wide 14400. How many millions did that monitor cost.
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I think this thread is a chore to read sometimes, but then:Wolfsheim posted:A little bit of Deus Ex in my life 
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The Gadfly posted:I guess I should've said that "they" in English is originally plural by definition, and was historically used as plural in almost all cases until very recently. It would be useful to differentiate between singular and plural when you have the information to do so, in my humble opinion. So, considering this, it would seem that English isn't the best language for this either. Anyway, I didn't mean to derail the Cyberpunk discussion with that, so I'll just leave it. "You" is originally only plural in definition (the singular is "thou") and the English language survived that transition just fine. As others have pointed out, the gender-neutral singular "they" is extremely old. It was probably the recent rise of the ultra-reactionary grammatical purists that slowed "they" from total acceptance today; "singular they" will probably reach Standard English acceptance in your lifetime. These grammatical fundamentalists are the ones who brought you the hypercorrection of "ain't," which is the grammatically-correct contraction of "am not," and the (also all old) rejection of flat adverbs, dangling modifiers, and exaggerated use of "literally."
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Obviously we need to make “they” a singular form and adopt the widespread usage of “theys” (or perhaps “thems”) for modern plural.
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Oct 17, 2020 19:01
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The game still needs to be translated in a lot of different languages and gender-neutral speech won't work well (if at all) with some of them. What you're asking for is a lot more work than it seems.
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I think what people just want is masculine voice or feminine voice but they still call you with the opposite pronouns which probably isn't as much work as its made out to be but likely would be some additional work in cases of V or others referring to certain matters of Vs gender or body and would likely require recording some additional dialogue for Vs actors. I don't see how this would cause issues with non English languages unlike a gender neutral option.
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Oct 17, 2020 19:16
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Oh, I didn't understand it that way. Yeah, it would be less work and a nice thing to have, but it most likely won't be a priority in the Crunch Zone.
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cheesetriangles posted:I think what people just want is masculine voice or feminine voice but they still call you with the opposite pronouns which probably isn't as much work as its made out to be but likely would be some additional work in cases of V or others referring to certain matters of Vs gender or body and would likely require recording some additional dialogue for Vs actors. I don't see how this would cause issues with non English languages unlike a gender neutral option. Pretty much this, yeah. If you're gonna feature different NPC barks and dialogue based on gender, just add an option at character development Gender: M/F Voice tone: M/F Pronouns: M/F Wouldn't be hard to add a neutral option but as was suggested earlier, that gets tricky with non-English languages. Kinda silly to think that Saints Row of all games figured this out where nothing was locked, and everyone just called you Boss.
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:Obviously we need to make “they” a singular form and adopt the widespread usage of “theys” (or perhaps “thems”) for modern plural. They is singular. These is the pleural of they. The poster above is correct. We all say “they lost an arm” not “she, he, or they, lost an arm”. It’s all included. Sort of like use of the word them.
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Oct 17, 2020 20:19
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Gonna bring back thou into my daily speech patterns.
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Capn Beeb posted:Pretty much this, yeah. If you're gonna feature different NPC barks and dialogue based on gender, just add an option at character development Yeah seems like a no brainer to decouple voice and pronouns, not sure why they'd tie them together in the first place.
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Because then you’d get people complaining that somehow everyone knows your pronouns on the spot whether or not they’ve seen you before. This is the perfect example of a problem with no solution that will please everyone.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:wow which of you jerks reported cyberblyat??? god drat it
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chitoryu12 posted:Because then you’d get people complaining that somehow everyone knows your pronouns on the spot whether or not they’ve seen you before. This is the perfect example of a problem with no solution that will please everyone. People who complain about that are dumb and shouldn’t be catered to though.
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homullus posted:"You" is originally only plural in definition (the singular is "thou") and the English language survived that transition just fine. As others have pointed out, the gender-neutral singular "they" is extremely old. It was probably the recent rise of the ultra-reactionary grammatical purists that slowed "they" from total acceptance today; "singular they" will probably reach Standard English acceptance in your lifetime. These grammatical fundamentalists are the ones who brought you the hypercorrection of "ain't," which is the grammatically-correct contraction of "am not," and the (also all old) rejection of flat adverbs, dangling modifiers, and exaggerated use of "literally." i thought it was formal / nonformal you = vous thou = tu e: i looked it up and ȝe is both honorific and plural. From West Germanic *jīz. Not related to the other "ye," þe, which is just the.
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chitoryu12 posted:Because then you’d get people complaining that somehow everyone knows your pronouns on the spot whether or not they’ve seen you before. This is the perfect example of a problem with no solution that will please everyone. Nah, not really.
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People who should be catered to: The ones that think like me. People that shouldn't be catered to: The ones that don't think like me.
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Capn Beeb posted:Nah, not really. And yet the exact same fight happens every few months over it. Or someone complaining about the dick ad and having to have it explained that you’re not supposed to see it as a sexy cool thing.
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chitoryu12 posted:Because then you’d get people complaining that somehow everyone knows your pronouns on the spot whether or not they’ve seen you before. This is the perfect example of a problem with no solution that will please everyone. who would possibly complain about this who is the person out there wanting to rp as a trans person who gets constantly misgendered
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chitoryu12 posted:Because then you’d get people complaining that somehow everyone knows your pronouns on the spot whether or not they’ve seen you before. This is the perfect example of a problem with no solution that will please everyone. Everyone has implants that let them see what pronouns you put in your cybertwitter bio
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Gnome de plume posted:Everyone has implants that let them see what pronouns you put in your cybertwitter bio did you mean this for the watch doges thread??????
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Gnome de plume posted:Everyone has implants that let them see what pronouns you put in your cybertwitter bio Okay but why are there no custom pronouns then, huh? That's pretty sad state of affairs for a game about being punk.
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cheesetriangles posted:I think what people just want is masculine voice or feminine voice but they still call you with the opposite pronouns which probably isn't as much work as its made out to be but likely would be some additional work in cases of V or others referring to certain matters of Vs gender or body and would likely require recording some additional dialogue for Vs actors. I don't see how this would cause issues with non English languages unlike a gender neutral option. It's extremely unlikely that the pc is referred to with gendered pronouns in the English voice acting since it's so simple to avoid. As for other heavily gendered languages, if you don't see how recording the entire game dialog twice is a lot of effort then I'm not sure what to say
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Chalks posted:It's extremely unlikely that the pc is referred to with gendered pronouns in the English voice acting since it's so simple to avoid. The gameplay demos have enemies using gendered pronouns.
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homullus posted:"You" is originally only plural in definition (the singular is "thou") and the English language survived that transition just fine. Good point. English needs a proper replacement for the plural of "thou", instead of the awkward "y'all", "you all", or "you guys". Blind Rasputin posted:They is singular. These is the pleural of they. I would like to inform thou that these is the plural of this, not they. The Gadfly fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Oct 17, 2020 |
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Oct 17, 2020 21:33
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Release the game with Esperanto voice acting only.
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gently caress it, no voices and black and white mode only. Cyberpunk 2077: Silent Film edition.
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im going corpo first
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