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Pussy Cartel
Jun 26, 2011



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Hope we get to do some hilariously retro netrunning in this game.

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Pussy Cartel
Jun 26, 2011



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7c Nickel posted:

Sadly, the fact that it's on consoles too means they can't actually have you type "cd HAX".

I was thinking more like what System Shock did. Neon polygons and wireframes for days.

Pussy Cartel
Jun 26, 2011



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I'm trans and I'm actually completely fine with that poster. To me it really does seem like just the typical lurid exploitation we can usually expect from corporate advertising campaigns, and the name is seems to me to just be playing on the word "chrome" and the tendency of people in CP2020 et al. to indulge in all sorts of radical body modifications for fun and profit. :shrug:

I'd totally get a Mr. Studd if I could, too.

Pussy Cartel
Jun 26, 2011



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Tormented posted:

So what? Everything getting fetishist. I think your problem is seeing a trans/nonbinary person being displayed like a sexual being like everyone else. Out of fetishes, girls with dicks is pretty tame.

Not every portrayal of any group is going to be all wonderful and I wouldn't look for a dark cyberpunk game as a place to have your flattering portrayal of any group.

I really wouldn't expect anything less if and when non-binary identities became openly accepted and treated as attractive in a capitalist society.

Pussy Cartel
Jun 26, 2011



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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Yeah this, but if the serf was a king beating up a peasant.

Yeah, CDPR is really sticking it to me, totally. :rolleyes:

Pussy Cartel
Jun 26, 2011



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Dandywalken posted:

Was it Cyberpunk where there were gangs of celebrity impersonators who got reconstructive surgery etc to resemble their idols? I imagine thats gotta factor into a quest at some point.

Yeah, they're called poser gangs.

Pussy Cartel
Jun 26, 2011



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Orange Crush Rush posted:

I'd actually be really interesting if they cast actors for all three of these people, especially Morgan Blackhand (the Solo of Fortune). I don't think it's ever been stated what he actually looks like, because the dude is just so good at staying untraceable. The closest description to him is Mike Pondsmith commentating that he thinks Morgan would be an older white guy, the kind that can instantly blend in anywhere; even right after garroting some poor bastard in the middle of a street.

Morgan Blackhand isn't exactly invisible.

CascadeBeta posted:

Even without the gigantic erection on that ad, I'd be able to tell that person was trans the second I looked at their style and facial features. There are clues that trans people can pick up on that non-trans people probably won't.

Really? I'm trans and I didn't pick up on any clues that the character was trans apart from her dick.

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Pussy Cartel
Jun 26, 2011



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I still think leaving Rache Bartmoss out of the list of personal heroes you can choose from was a huge mistake.

Pussy Cartel
Jun 26, 2011



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Pylons posted:

Is that "public evidence" within the game itself or do I have to dig through someone's twitter to find out that they're not a transphobe and it was just satire?

We already have someone saying that it was meant to be critical and satirical, if we're just going to assume that was all a lie then I think we've long since passed the point at which we just really want everyone involved to be evil/bad/wrong (we have).

Pussy Cartel
Jun 26, 2011



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Glenn Quebec posted:

Who is Rache? It's been kind of difficult to find good sources for the lore.

Rache was an elite netrunner who helped create the net as it was in CP2020 and was to netrunners what Johnny Silverhand was to rockerboys and Morgan Blackhand was to solos. He was supposedly killed during the Fourth Corporate War, shortly before Johnny and Morgan supposedly died.

Pussy Cartel
Jun 26, 2011



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CascadeBeta posted:

But how many negative portrayals have you seen of people referred to as trannies, traps, sissies and the like? Trans is one of the most significant search terms on porn sites. Alex Jones got caught looking at trans porn, for Christ's sake. Nearly all of our "representation" in modern media is as sex objects or have sex or fetishes as their only defining character trait. We're jokes or punchlines, or objects for people to jerk off to.

The day we become as accepted in the public eye as any cis person is the day we'll end up being even more sexualized and objectified in the media and advertising. :capitalism:

Pussy Cartel
Jun 26, 2011



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sean10mm posted:

Then we're back to people arguing that showing a bad thing is the same as endorsing a bad thing,because someone, somewhere will miss the intent and take it literally and whelp.

I don't think we ever left that spot.

Pussy Cartel
Jun 26, 2011



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The_White_Crane posted:

Have a woman with a slightly husky voice and slightly broader shoulders.
Have a guy working out in the gym with visible top-surgery scars.
Have a non-binary person being talked about with pronouns that aren't he/she.

Like, you can show trans people with physical attributes that don't gel with the gender they're presenting without turning the dials all the way up to "hairy-legged trucker in a ballgown".
It's not a binary choice between "looks flawlessly cisgender" and "drag queen".

Two of those might not even be a thing anymore in a world with biotech as advanced as CP2077's, and I don't know how CDPR would be expected to showcase the third in a demo that was meant to show off gameplay. It seems a little weird to expect them to showcase that in a gameplay demo, to be honest.

Edit: At any rate, explicitly androgynous characters were a thing in CP2020, so I'd be expecting to see them somewhere in CP2077, just not necessarily front row and centre for a demo.

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Pussy Cartel
Jun 26, 2011



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CascadeBeta posted:

"We have plenty of trans characters, you just can't see them!" is loving bullshit and you know it.

That isn't what they said at all. And now we've just come back around to the Catch-22 of either having trans characters that obviously don't pass or having trans characters that pass well enough not to be noticed in crowd shots from demos and screenshots.

Pussy Cartel
Jun 26, 2011



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Themage posted:

maybe you should listen to the trans people in this very thread that do not like that ad

I'm another one of the trans people in this thread, and my trans friends and I think that the explanation CDPR gave for the ad was totally acceptable and that the ad is fine.

Pussy Cartel
Jun 26, 2011



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Aurora posted:

it's almost like minorities as a whole find it hard to agree on the more minute things of what is and isn't discrimination because we all come from different backgrounds

Maybe none of us should be making statements about whether something contentious is definitively or objectively transphobic, then.

Pussy Cartel
Jun 26, 2011



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Aurora posted:

presumably these people are coming from a position where they view it as hurtful as their own point of view and people going 'actually it's totally fine' is a bit more demeaning than the people upset by this arguing about it

I'm personally upset that my perspective as a trans person gets dismissed because it's somehow insufficiently or improperly trans compared to those of others.

Pussy Cartel
Jun 26, 2011



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Aurora posted:

did i imply this or is this what someone else said


RazzleDazzleHour posted:

Yeah I think the fact that this thread has also been filled with so much saying "well they should ask transgender people on how to do actually do representation right" has some kind of hosed-up implications in regards to trans people who thinks the poster is fine

Basically.

Pussy Cartel
Jun 26, 2011



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Aurora posted:

i don't think the basic statement of 'i don't think this is in good taste and don't like it' invalidates your experience or opinion but everyone has been very personal about the argument about whether it is or isn't okay


this is an A-grade cherry pick

There's been a pretty clear pattern in this thread where people will declare this ad transphobic, defer to trans people in the thread as being arbiters, and then gloss over those of us that don't think it's that bad. Repeated in an endless loop like every argument in this thread.

Pussy Cartel
Jun 26, 2011



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CascadeBeta posted:

You literally called me a concern troll because I thought the ad was lovely absent of other meaningful trans people in the game. You don't get to have it both ways.

I think you're mixing me up with agnosticnixie now.

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Pussy Cartel
Jun 26, 2011



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CottonWolf posted:

Preferring Fallout 3/4 to Fallout 1/2 should be a bannable offence IMO.

Forgetting New Vegas, are we

(agreed, tho)

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