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Shoenin
May 29, 2013

Everynight I wake up Screaming.
(and beating the dragon)

HBox is hated as hell for Melee
But a total hero in Ultimate

Its comedy for melee since Puff's entire thing is literally fulfilling an april fools joke.

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Bodyholes
Jun 30, 2005



I don't think Hbox is all that hated these days. A few people gripe about a Puff player being #1 but I think most people would vastly prefer that to a wobbling Ice Climber, which would be a far greater existential crisis for melee as a spectator sport. Puff's matchups vs the other top tiers are fairly dynamic and fun, and while Puff dittos are miserable, thankfully there are no other Puffs within two leagues of the top.

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!


Dinosaur Gum

yeah, me calling him a heel wasn't on accident - he became the fun bad guy that its fun to root for (again, barring any of this current stuff)

Shoenin
May 29, 2013

Everynight I wake up Screaming.
(and beating the dragon)

Hes a great heel because he plays it up and kind of empowered by it, while at the same time do the thing that people hate about it (Camp with Puff).
So long it doesnt go far like the dead crab.

Fojar38
Sep 1, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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According to his video he has admitted to

- Cheating in a relationship
- Flirting when it wasn't wanted

Which is not good, but compared to all the other stuff taking down pro players it seems almost quaint.

Beamed
Nov 26, 2010

Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.



Fojar38 posted:

According to his video he has admitted to

- Cheating in a relationship
- Flirting when it wasn't wanted

Which is not good, but compared to all the other stuff taking down pro players it seems almost quaint.

Yes, which is why everyone's waiting for the survivor's statement to understand more.

Strange Matter
Oct 5, 2009

Ask me about Genocide


Everything I know about Hbox comes from this youtube documentary on the guy. The most compelling part to me is where one of the melee pros, I think Leffen, argued that there would come a point where Melee would be destroyed because everyone would play Jigglypuff and it would become unwatchable, but in reality it's still just Hbox doing it against leagues of spacies and marths.

Bodyholes
Jun 30, 2005



Peoples' desire to have fun playing the game they invested lots of time in has prevented hordes of Puffs from emerging. She has wonky risk/reward but most people want to do sick combos and move around fast instead of camping all day.

If they wanted to camp there's more money in Ultimate anyway

Smoking Crow
Feb 13, 2012

*laughs at u*


Bodyholes posted:

I don't think Hbox is all that hated these days. A few people gripe about a Puff player being #1 but I think most people would vastly prefer that to a wobbling Ice Climber, which would be a far greater existential crisis for melee as a spectator sport. Puff's matchups vs the other top tiers are fairly dynamic and fun, and while Puff dittos are miserable, thankfully there are no other Puffs within two leagues of the top.

I always laugh when people say wobbling kills melee for spectators because this is the most entertaining spectator fighting game ever


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB6Ar61dkso

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised

At least it wasn't a live crab!

sharrrk
Feb 13, 2012

It's time to party!


Smoking Crow posted:

I always laugh when people say wobbling kills melee for spectators because this is the most entertaining spectator fighting game ever


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB6Ar61dkso

i mean tbf at least every character in that game does that. itd probably be a lot less fun if only one character in that game could infinite everyone

sharrrk
Feb 13, 2012

It's time to party!


wobbling is badass though for the record

Jazerus
May 24, 2011



sharrrk posted:

i mean tbf at least every character in that game does that. itd probably be a lot less fun if only one character in that game could infinite everyone

but would it be more fun than a space animal stomping on your face forever?

this is a philosophical question many have sought to answer but which none have resolved

Reiley
Dec 16, 2007




Bodyholes posted:

Peoples' desire to have fun playing the game they invested lots of time in has prevented hordes of Puffs from emerging. She has wonky risk/reward but most people want to do sick combos and move around fast instead of camping all day.

If they wanted to camp there's more money in Ultimate anyway

Camping and offsetting risk onto the other player is the most successful strategy in almost every competitive game, let's not play make believe here.

Fojar38
Sep 1, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->


Salem made a statement

https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sraehc

Canine Blues Arooo
Jan 7, 2008

when you think about it...i'm the first girl you ever spent the night with


Grimey Drawer

ThisIsACoolGuy posted:

A lot of melee players crawl up their own rear end about how fast paced their game is and obsess over spacies and a few others.

Hbox doesn't play those characters. Instead he plays Jigglypuff who is very slow and consists of camping, running away, and back air. The community loving hates him because he wants to play puff and nothing else really so they try to ban him to keep him from playing her. They try to ban the character itself. They want it gone so it can just be spacies and marth forever (sometimes starring Sheik/Peach)

This is not accurate either factually or philosophically, and quite frankly, I'm not going to get into it because after all...

Fojar38 posted:

Trolling melee fans is doing the Lord's work IMO

Pontificating Ass
Aug 2, 2002

What Doth Life?


... oh boy no more boring Zero matches in grand's!

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Sudden Javelin
Jul 6, 2009





There wouldnt have been anyway given how long he's stopped competing

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