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Fingerless Gloves
May 21, 2011

... aaand also go away and don't come back
I'm working on getting Ness into Elite, and I really enjoyed this interaction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2rX6ZPXiz8

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Viewtiful Jew
Apr 21, 2007
Mench'n-a-go-go-baby!

100YrsofAttitude posted:

Can someone message Sakurai so that they add a search by arranger/composer feature in the music section?

Luckily the game gives you just enough room to make custom playlists for each composer that's done at least two remixes.

Everyone that's only done one remix has to go in a catch-all playlist.

Maple Leaf
Aug 24, 2010

Let'en my post flyen true
https://twitter.com/CroiSSB/status/1318693678446235653

Maple Leaf
Aug 24, 2010

Let'en my post flyen true
https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/1318723328446812161?s=19

I wanna say it's mostly Steve bugfixes, which would fall under 'adjustments.' I'm not holding my breath on a huge balance patch eight days after the last one.

But hey, maybe!

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Finally they will fix Little Mac

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

I can't believe they're deleting Little Mac.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Electric Phantasm posted:

I can't believe they're deleting Little Mac.

Interesting approach to buffing him but effective

Zuzie
Jun 30, 2005

I got this for a Ratatta on GTS.


Can you imagine demoting a character to an assist trophy?

Brunom1
Sep 5, 2011

Ask me about being the best dad ever.

Zuzie posted:

Can you imagine demoting a character to an assist trophy?

When an Assist character falls off the stage, they teleport back.

It'd be an upgrade for Mac.

Rich Uncle Chet
Jan 20, 2005


The Law? Law is a Human Institution.


A lifetime of being an Atlanta sports fan has prepared me for being a Mac Main.

Reiley
Dec 16, 2007


They can fix Little Mac by dialing back the armor on his moves, give his aerials some real damage, slow him down a bit and give him the FGC auto-turn. Basically take his moveset and make him like Ryu, Ken and Terry.

Mr. Locke
Jul 28, 2010
Just put an 'Renovations Coming Soon' sign over Little Mac's character slot and re-reveal it six months down the line as Mr. Sandman or some other Punch Out character that gets to be designed to have an actual moveset and not Little Mac's flaming trainwreck.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Surprise comeback of Mike Tyson

MorningMoon
Dec 29, 2013

He's been tapping into Aunt May's bank account!
Didn't I kill him with a HELICOPTER?
Increase the lenght of his side-b when done on the floor.

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014

Buff Little Mac so much it will become necessary to change his name to Big Mac.

Theta Zero
Dec 22, 2014

I've seen it.
The biggest problem with Little Mac besides his gameplay being trash for both players is that he's not a good representation of his series. For starters, despite being the protagonist, his opponents are a thousand times more interesting. Beyond that, his games are based around quick dodging, reading his opponents, and fast and fierce punishes. The most ironic thing is that Little Mac gets decimated if he tries to block or tank damage in his game, with some opponents being impossible to block. I think he'd be a much more fun and interesting character if his moves relied on backsway/dodging before striking, like making his forward smash have him jump back a little before charging forward. I don't know who's bright idea it was to make a character who cannot be used for air combat when half the game is spent in the air.

THE AWESOME GHOST
Oct 21, 2005

I don't think that's the actual problem, it's cool to have characters with very unique strengths and weaknesses. Like Roy is insane up close and in your face but knock him offstage and he's done. They managed to make characters with almost only projectile attacks work, they managed to make Pac Man's weird bullshit work, I'm sure they can figure out a ground based fighter

Just they keep him from being too good probably because they're a bit worried about low level play. I remember when the game came out people furious at how much Little Mac was beating them online

Polo-Rican
Jul 4, 2004

emptyquote my posts or die

THE AWESOME GHOST posted:

I don't think that's the actual problem, it's cool to have characters with very unique strengths and weaknesses.

Agreed... if the game had a dozen characters it would be really important to make sure each was perfectly balanced — but Smash has 74 characters so it doesn't seem like a big deal to include a few with very noticeable quirks and/or gimmicks.

Katamari Democracy
Jan 19, 2010

Guess what! :love:
Guess what this is? :love:
A Post, Just for you! :love:
Wedge Regret
My Joker Amiibo finally came in the mail today. And I just remembered. I have zero clue how to play as him. :shepface:

Well, kinda. I know his Arsen spirit or whatever makes him deadlier during those times, his guns, and his rope recovery. Does he combo fairly well like Sheik? I am going to be giving him a go until he can constantly kill me then I can switch over to my better characters and curb stomp him.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Katamari Democracy posted:

My Joker Amiibo finally came in the mail today. And I just remembered. I have zero clue how to play as him. :shepface:

Well, kinda. I know his Arsen spirit or whatever makes him deadlier during those times, his guns, and his rope recovery. Does he combo fairly well like Sheik? I am going to be giving him a go until he can constantly kill me then I can switch over to my better characters and curb stomp him.

He combos very well, particularly with up air which can be dragged down into a downsmash, and a lot of his moves lead to tech chases where he can smash attack and kill lightweights at 40% if he has Arsene. His back air is insane even without Arsene. His counter with Arsene is the best in the game. He has a good recovery if somewhat linear.

Weaknesses include the fact that his kill power isn't great without Arsene, he takes hits like the tiny anime boy he is and thus doesn't have the best disadvantage state, and he can struggle to get in if being walled out by projectiles or swords.

He is widely considered to be among the top 3 best characters in the game, but that comes with the caveat that in order to use him at that potential you need to really know what you're doing, and so far in competitive play that seems to have translated to "you need to be MKLeo"

Katamari Democracy
Jan 19, 2010

Guess what! :love:
Guess what this is? :love:
A Post, Just for you! :love:
Wedge Regret
What should be the main focal points of this amiibo being able to catch the hint that the starter or the ender of the combo would make it more effective? I can practice this mantra and apply it to him so he can learn how to abuse it.

E- For example, what are some good finishers that he performs well. Or maybe beginning combos that can keep an opponent in check for more hits if he is successful.

GreatGreen
Jul 3, 2007
That's not what gaslighting means you hyperbolic dipshit.

Polo-Rican posted:

Agreed... if the game had a dozen characters it would be really important to make sure each was perfectly balanced — but Smash has 74 characters so it doesn't seem like a big deal to include a few with very noticeable quirks and/or gimmicks.

Yeah. I actually really like the idea of characters with totally bonkers moves and playstyles that completely own in some situations but are very handicapped in others. For tournaments, just make those characters "illegal" for anything with "notoriety" or money on the line or whatever. Who cares.

Besides, 99% of Smash players don't play tournaments anyway. They play solo or with buddies on the couch because the game is colorful, light-hearted, and inherently casual. To that end there should absolutely be a bunch of crazy, weird, and non-standard characters for the sake of novelty and variety because those things are fun and interesting.

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaq0_8U8ox8
literally 12 years have passed since the last one

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

little mac is pretty terrible even in casual play though. he gets killed at 50% by downtilts, accidentally

LazyMaybe
Aug 18, 2013

oouagh
the novelty and variety of getting backthrown offstage and trivially killed

super fart shooter
Feb 11, 2003

-quacka fat-

IronicDongz posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaq0_8U8ox8
literally 12 years have passed since the last one

Grabbing the opponent and chewing on them like a piece of beef jerky as you both slowly plummet to your deaths is a much funnier method of Bowsercide than the modern one, stylish though it may be

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

I don't think having a character who has a gameplan thats nonstandard but not very good is a bad thing, mind. Like Ganondorf isn't very good but he's a lot of fun and can at least kind of work in high level play. Mac's design is just too extreme and he doesn't get enough back in exchange for how much he loses. Ganondorf is slow, has bad recovery, and kills you at 60%. Mac can't jump, has terrible aerials, has the worst recovery in the game, has pretty short reach, has a terrible grab, and.. kills you at 80%?

Ganondorf could maybe do with a rework to make him more 'Ganondorf'-y but I don't think the character he is now is a bad thing to have in the game, even if it's not traditionally 'good.' Mac's fault isn't that he's not a top tier, it's that he isn't executed in a way where you actually feel all that powerful even when you're executing on your 'strength.' The only thing he has that really feels good like that is KO Punch.

Endorph fucked around with this message at 02:26 on Oct 22, 2020

Bluff Buster
Oct 26, 2011

I think I brought this up before, but what exactly is Little Mac's gameplan that's unique to him? If you want a character who is fast on the ground and hits hard at the cost of subpar recovery just play as Roy or Chrom, who have actual combos and air attacks. He's not good in 1 v 1 scenarios because he's pretty much countered by anyone with a backthrow and an aerial move, and he's not really good in casual games because a) there are hitboxes everywhere that can knock him off stage at any moment, b) he doesn't really have good hitboxes to get in there and throw out moves and c) because he's so terrible in the air he's not even good at just running around getting items if there's even a slight verticality to a stage.

Little Mac is the only character I just don't understand at all from a design perspective. Why design someone who can't platform in a platform fighter? Why go out of your way to make his recovery even worse than it is with the worst airdodge in the game and a side-b that doesn't reset after getting hit? Why use him when Roy and Chrom obsolete his style anyway?

timp
Sep 19, 2007

Everything is in my control
Lipstick Apathy

Bluff Buster posted:

Why use him when Roy and Chrom obsolete his style anyway?

What do you want them to do, remove him from the game? EVERYONE IS HERE BLUFF

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

The patch got rid of Steve's meat.

Beamed
Nov 26, 2010

Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.


i just want a gamecube controller with digital shoulder buttons. Why wont you give me this sakurai

El Burbo
Oct 10, 2012

ThisIsACoolGuy posted:

The patch got rid of Steve's meat.

Ruined!

Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

Rest in piece Stevens cock

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Squiddycat posted:

Rest in piece Stevens cock
It's fine

scary ghost dog
Aug 5, 2007
is that all the patch did

Alxprit
Feb 7, 2015

<click> <click> What is it with this dancing?! Bouncing around like fools... I would have thought my own kind at least would understand the seriousness of our Adventurer's Guild!

There was another steve-related glitch that got fixed where characters could get stuck in the geometry of stages or something.

Reiley
Dec 16, 2007


scary ghost dog posted:

is that all the patch did

Zelda apparently also got an airspeed buff as well.

Theta Zero
Dec 22, 2014

I've seen it.

scary ghost dog posted:

is that all the patch did

It fixeted the glitcheteds that let Steve fly through the air or make opponents fall through the map. No balance changes from what websites are reporting.

Prowler
May 24, 2004

Reiley posted:

Zelda apparently also got an airspeed buff as well.

There were apparently a few undocumented changes that may or may not have been code regressions as a result of the patch. The Duck Hunt down+B change seems to fall into that category.

https://twitter.com/VVhiteHusky/status/1319287782385184773

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Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

God I hate duck hunt and his loving can

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