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SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013



multijoe posted:

The main antagonist (Malos) wants to kill God and destroy the world because the system of servitude they exist in is intolerable, but also because his master (whom he is bound to) has warped his personality and he is aware that even his thoughts and feelings are not fully his own.

Xenoblade 2 just does the same thing Pokemon Black & White did where it presents a really valid problem that the antagonists are fighting against, then at the end just shrugs and goes 'well love and friendship conquer all I guess' without ever even trying to resolve it. That Drivers should be nice to Blades doesn't change any of the insanely awful conditions that are presented about them throughout the game, like how their memories and personalities reset every time their current owner dies, or how their ultimate fate is to become amalgamated into new terrain for humans to live on, their entire existence was designed to service humanity.

Yeah totally the game has the issue of not really addressing the conflicts established by the setting beyond killing the evil pope because he sucks a lot but I don't know how you can play it and come out thinking the story's about bending slaves to your will or whatever when the entire plot is Pyra asking Rex to do something for her and him going "Sure absolutely".

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multijoe
Oct 15, 2007

NYO~HO


SyntheticPolygon posted:

Yeah totally the game has the issue of not really addressing the conflicts established by the setting beyond killing the evil pope because he sucks a lot but I don't know how you can play it and come out thinking the story's about bending slaves to your will or whatever when the entire plot is Pyra asking Rex to do something for her and him going "Sure absolutely".

I never said it was, but the premise of the story is that people should be nicer to their slaves and if they are everything works out fine.

Maple Leaf posted:

This is a pretty great patch. They didn't nerf G&W and neither of my characters got anything at all but a lot of the runaway top tier characters got some actual balancing, and it's nice to see that Sakurai gives a poo poo.


Ridley is starting to feel like Ultimate's Dedede lol

Aithon
Jan 3, 2014

Every puzzle has an answer.


Never play games when you can just read the plot summary and get mad about it online

Twelve by Pies
May 4, 2012

Again a very likpatous story


I forgot to watch the Sakurai presentation earlier so I have now, and it's really cool learning that Kirby's copy abilities are actually stronger than the originals. Makes sense though, Kirby does have infinite power, so he's better than everyone else.

Augus
Mar 9, 2015

BORN TO DIE
WORLD IS A FUCK
Kill Em All 1989
I am trash man
410,757,864,530 DEAD COPS





Pyra and Mythra are basically like being able to switch between Sonic and Ganondorf on the fly and it rules insanely hard

Augus fucked around with this message at 11:26 on Mar 5, 2021

Araxxor
Oct 20, 2012

My disdain for you all knows no bounds.


Twelve by Pies posted:

I forgot to watch the Sakurai presentation earlier so I have now, and it's really cool learning that Kirby's copy abilities are actually stronger than the originals. Makes sense though, Kirby does have infinite power, so he's better than everyone else.

Yeah it's a buff he got in Ultimate. (So don't expect the same to apply to the other games.) 1.2x damage boost on moves that can deal damage.

Orange Crush Rush
May 7, 2009

You don't need thumbs for revenge

Aithon posted:

Never play games when you can just read the plot summary and get mad about it online

This must also apply to anime, seeing how "Attack on Titans promotes fascism!" is something that seems to come up like once every three months for some reason

Araxxor posted:

Yeah it's a buff he got in Ultimate. (So don't expect the same to apply to the other games.) 1.2x damage boost on moves that can deal damage.

Was this in Ultimate only? I thought it was always like that.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004




Ultra Carp


Starsnostars
Jan 17, 2009

The Master of Magnetism


I only got a few minutes to try Pyra/Mythra over lunch but Mythra feels even faster than I thought she'd be.

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004




Ultra Carp

Starsnostars posted:

I only got a few minutes to try Pyra/Mythra over lunch but Mythra feels even faster than I thought she'd be.

playing her on the training mode stage (WHY CAN'T WE FIGHT ON THIS STAGE SAKURAI??!?) she felt slow as hell crossing that whole stage. Even when i wanted to practice as her I still covered distances using Mythra

cheeseboy58
Dec 14, 2020


Smh labbing pyra mythra and not immediately jumping into goonsmash 2s

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND



Orange Crush Rush posted:

Was this in Ultimate only? I thought it was always like that.

No, it's only in Ultimate. Kirby's Copy Abilities were just as powerful as the originals before.

Zuzie
Jun 30, 2005

I got this for a Ratatta on GTS.



Was it always a thing in Ultimate? I thought it only applied to just when Kirby copied Pyra/Mythra, since he cannot freely switch.

But it makes sense from a balancing perspective since he has to work towards copying something and that's dependent on who's he's fighting against.

Blaze Dragon
Aug 28, 2013
LOWTAX'S SPINE FUND



Zuzie posted:

Was it always a thing in Ultimate? I thought it only applied to just when Kirby copied Pyra/Mythra, since he cannot freely switch.

But it makes sense from a balancing perspective since he has to work towards copying something and that's dependent on who's he's fighting against.

It's always been a thing in Ultimate, and it applies to every Copy Ability. Sakurai decided to reveal it now but we've known it for a while.

TheKingofSprings
Oct 9, 2012



Starsnostars posted:

I only got a few minutes to try Pyra/Mythra over lunch but Mythra feels even faster than I thought she'd be.

I spent a lot of my matches last night trying to chase people rolling away from me and ending up past them when I try to punish with a forward smash

Augus
Mar 9, 2015

BORN TO DIE
WORLD IS A FUCK
Kill Em All 1989
I am trash man
410,757,864,530 DEAD COPS





Blaze Dragon posted:

It's always been a thing in Ultimate, and it applies to every Copy Ability. Sakurai decided to reveal it now but we've known it for a while.

I think he's mentioned it in other streams in the past too. Probably just felt it was worth bringing up here since Pyra's neutral B is so strong.

Supersonic Shine
Oct 13, 2012


The game design of the Blade duo feels a lot nicer compared to Zelda/Sheik and Pokemon Trainer. The stat differences and the similar movesets appropriately make them feel a bit more like Shulk, who I also think is really fun.

Ariong
Jun 25, 2012





Reflecting Blazing End is really tough. You can only do it before it starts spinning. Feels great when you pull it off though.

SL the Pyro
Jun 15, 2013

My soul cries out
with the desire to
FRACTURE
your puny spine.


what do you mean that hotkey disappeared


Speaking of reflecting Blazing End, can it be Pocketed?

The Bloop
Jul 5, 2004




Ultra Carp

SL the Pyro posted:

Speaking of reflecting Blazing End, can it be Pocketed?

And if so... is she just hosed without a sword or what?


I'm guessing it can't be because she _IS_ the blade or whatever

Zuzie
Jun 30, 2005

I got this for a Ratatta on GTS.



Yes the sword can be pocketed, but Pyra can still use her other attacks.

This can happen though:

https://twitter.com/cree318/status/1367675763793727490

Zuzie fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Mar 5, 2021

Orange Crush Rush
May 7, 2009

You don't need thumbs for revenge

fighting Mythra is giving me UMvC3 Vergil flashbacks and I do not like it

Pixeltendo
Mar 2, 2012




Twelve by Pies posted:

I forgot to watch the Sakurai presentation earlier so I have now, and it's really cool learning that Kirby's copy abilities are actually stronger than the originals. Makes sense though, Kirby does have infinite power, so he's better than everyone else.

Shulk can wield the Monado because he basically has the power of a god.

What does that make Kirby now?

Augus
Mar 9, 2015

BORN TO DIE
WORLD IS A FUCK
Kill Em All 1989
I am trash man
410,757,864,530 DEAD COPS





Orange Crush Rush posted:

fighting Mythra is giving me UMvC3 Vergil flashbacks and I do not like it

now i'm motivated

Orange Crush Rush
May 7, 2009

You don't need thumbs for revenge

Pixeltendo posted:

Shulk can wield the Monado because he basically has the power of a god.

What does that make Kirby now?


Kirby has been killing Universe Ending Gods from beyond the Abyss for like 25 years now

Ramc
May 4, 2008

"Losing? That's a bad strategy, son, plus it's gruesome. Winning is what I do, stick to that."



Pixeltendo posted:

Shulk can wield the Monado because he basically has the power of a god.

What does that make Kirby now?

Dunking eldritch god beings is just something Kirby does as a matter of course.

Ramc
May 4, 2008

"Losing? That's a bad strategy, son, plus it's gruesome. Winning is what I do, stick to that."



Orange Crush Rush posted:

Kirby has been killing Universe Ending Gods from beyond the Abyss for like 25 years now

see??

XkyRauh
Feb 15, 2005

Commander Keen is my hero.


Pixeltendo posted:

Shulk can wield the Monado because he basically has the power of a god.

What does that make Kirby now?

Kirby is good and my friend.

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010


They'll never see it coming...


Pixeltendo posted:

Shulk can wield the Monado because he basically has the power of a god.

What does that make Kirby now?

Orange Crush Rush posted:

Kirby has been killing Universe Ending Gods from beyond the Abyss for like 25 years now

Ramc posted:

Dunking eldritch god beings is just something Kirby does as a matter of course.

There's a reason people watched the original "World of Light" trailer for Smash Bros. Ultimate and were like, "Just another Tuesday for Kirby."

XkyRauh posted:

Kirby is good and my friend.

RBA Starblade
Apr 27, 2008

Going Home.



Games Idiot Court Jester


Pixeltendo posted:

Shulk can wield the Monado because he basically has the power of a god.

What does that make Kirby now?

A friend, op

100YrsofAttitude
Apr 29, 2013





Is anything absorbable? I'd imagine Mythra's B-Ups? Looking forward to fighting some of them. Everyone burns and zaps to PK moves just the same.

Can't wait to bat Pyra's sword back at her. That's going to be a laugh.

Shneak
Mar 6, 2015

"Doctor, listen to me and listen to me closely.
You're gonna witness all the days..."




Lurdiak posted:

Lol "semi-sexualized". These characters could be right out of a porno series. And the game they're from is even worse.



Jesus loving Christ.

Zuzie
Jun 30, 2005

I got this for a Ratatta on GTS.



Shneak posted:

Jesus loving Christ.

Its just one result of what happens when you've got a bunch of guest artists to design your rare blades and they barely consulted one another. 80 percent of them are anime girls and a significant chunk of those have ice or electric powers.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

I may not be as cute as the other girls, but I'm the best at arm wrestling!


the artist who designed that character is insanely talented but its a bad design that also translates really poorly to 3d

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Cephas
May 11, 2009

Shape Shift With Me


it's kind of awesome that they were like, what if we got artists from digmon, code geass, final fantasy 6, boogiepop phantom, no more heroes, martian successor nadesico, and just had them give us random characters to implement without question. Crystal axe witch? In. Titty ice bunny? In. Big Hero Six? In. Literally just a little girl with a polar bear friend? IN.

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