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Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"
Chris Amman is the real life version of Dr. Nick Riviera from The Simpsons.

Or Dr. Leo Spaceman from 30 Rock.

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Tato
Jun 19, 2001

DIRECTIVE 236: Promote pro-social values

Big Coffin Hunter posted:

the universal title is a joke outside of, like, that one month goldberg had it

It's kind of amazing that RAW hasn't had a real champ for so long. Owens was a joke and barely defended, Goldberg was a short term thing, and Brock is gone 90% of the time and has the same poo poo match every time he comes back.

STING 64
Oct 20, 2006

i like how in his defamation lawsuit he's doing all the defaming

rovert
Jun 10, 2013

Teddybear posted:

Deadspin (via Bix) reporting based off of public court records that Amann was in a sexual relationship with Jillian Hall while he was her doctor.

https://deadspin.com/court-records-wwe-doctor-who-sued-cm-punk-had-sexual-r-1826818551

Moronic from a code of conduct POV. But sometimes life and love happen. But Jillian Hall really raises questions as she suffered a lot from alcohol and substance abuse during and prior to her WWE. Him being a doctor I have serious questions about the power dynamic in a relationship such as that.

rovert fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Jun 15, 2018

Nipponophile
Apr 8, 2009

rovert posted:

Him being a doctor I have serious questions about the power dynamic in a relationship such as that.

Um, there are no questions.

It's unethical. <--- That's a declaration, not a question.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Nipponophile posted:

It's unethical. <--- That's a declaration, not a question.

:agreed:

The trial was such an absolutely spectaculer own-goal that the Football World Cup covets.

rovert
Jun 10, 2013

Nipponophile posted:

Um, there are no questions.

It's unethical. <--- That's a declaration, not a question.

But you know what I mean? It is extra bad questionable as Jillian was very troubled:
http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2018/0403/638552/former-wwe-divas-champion-pleads-no-contest-in-dui-case/

Happily, from what I know she has turned her life around since.

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

Tato posted:

It's kind of amazing that RAW hasn't had a real champ for so long. Owens was a joke and barely defended, Goldberg was a short term thing, and Brock is gone 90% of the time and has the same poo poo match every time he comes back.

I can explain this. The title means nothing. It's The Big Dog Roman Reigns who is teh most important thing on RAW, and the only thing all the wrestlers and commentators should care about. Having the title and the title holder on screen would only distract from that. Having the title actually defended takes time away that could be used on hilarious overly scripted segments featuring men in dresses.

And re: Amman. Given he has admitted in open court to violating HIPAA, distributing prescription medicine without prescription or proper records, and to having a relationship with a current patient. Will he suffer any consequences? I mean proper legal consequences, because the HIPAA thing has to be illegal, the relationship thing is at best creepy and unethical, and there has to be some rules about the unauthorized distribution of drugs by a medical professional.

Can he be charged with any of that stuff? Is he risking being struck from the medical register, or at least some sort of punishment?

Because it would be hilarious if after the WWE bankrolling and possibly putting him up to sue Punk and Cobana, he faced some actual substantive legal difficulties of his own.

rovert
Jun 10, 2013
https://twitter.com/SoDuTw/status/1007379480703328256

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k
I would like to report amann to the doctor police and would like to know how


Noted narc, Shinjobi Jones here.

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"

Shinjobi posted:

I would like to report amann to the doctor police and would like to know how


Noted narc, Shinjobi Jones here.

Just call the DEA and gave them all documents or materials pertaining to the Amann case.

Dr. Baker
Jan 25, 2012

Numb me, drill me
Floss me, bill me
Where is Noam Dar?

DarkstarIV
Apr 6, 2010

OFFICIAL RACIST

Dr. Baker posted:

Where is Noam Dar?

He's been cleared to return this week apparently, but they probably don't have a use for him yet.

rovert
Jun 10, 2013

DarkstarIV posted:

He's been cleared to return this week apparently, but they probably don't have a use for him yet.

Like Jason Jordan and Alicia Fox and others.

Excited for post-MITB and the new feud pairs. Especially AJ and Nakamura ending.

Dr. Baker
Jan 25, 2012

Numb me, drill me
Floss me, bill me
Noam Dar on the rebooted 205 Live will be good. 205 Live is the best WWE produced show.

Big Coffin Hunter
Aug 13, 2005

BrigadierSensible posted:

And re: Amman. Given he has admitted in open court to violating HIPAA, distributing prescription medicine without prescription or proper records, and to having a relationship with a current patient. Will he suffer any consequences?

no

OctoberCountry
Oct 9, 2012
Has anyone made a When Amann Loves a Woman joke yet?

MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

THE LIAR

Big Coffin Hunter posted:

the universal title is a joke outside of, like, that one month goldberg had it

No, that was the biggest joke of all.

The Universal Title was a joke when it was revealed and Brooklyn poo poo on it. Then Finn Balor made it not a joke for roughly 24 hours. Then he vacated it and Owens won it and he was booked like poo poo, so it became a joke again, but Owens and Jericho were still basically carrying Raw.

Then Goldberg squashed Owens and Owens went from "poorly booked champion but still working extremely hard to make all of his matches and segments watchable" to "chump that got squashed at Fastlane fighting for the midcard title second from the top at Mania." and he literally has not recovered to this day. And Goldberg went from "unstoppable badass on completely awesome run, beloved by all" to "squashed a fan favorite to win a title that made him less over. Belt pillow for Lesnar."

Goldberg squashing Owens is the moment the Universal Championship died. I firmly believe this.

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k
Goldberg also sucks really bad, so I'm sorry some of y'all had the wool pulled over your eyes.


Sometimes I wake up in a cold sweat remembering wcw.:shepface:

STING 64
Oct 20, 2006

Shinjobi posted:

Goldberg also sucks really bad, so I'm sorry some of y'all had the wool pulled over your eyes.


Sometimes I wake up in a cold sweat remembering wcw.:shepface:

wcw died in 1998 so goldberg has always been good

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k
I'll see your rear end on Thunder, you sonofabi--

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

VJeff posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz04yU5KlL0

This is getting a little transparent.

WWE making TNA moves

Big Coffin Hunter
Aug 13, 2005

VJeff posted:

Goldberg squashing Owens is the moment the Universal Championship died. I firmly believe this.

We're gonna have to disagree on this because Jericho letting Goldberg be Goldberg all over the title and the greatest 5 minute match in at least WWE history at Mania were the only cool things that happened with the title. KO's reign wasn't great but if he was going to be squashed for the title all three players in that made it really fun in Goldberg being Goldberg, Jericho being Jericho and the booking leading to his arrival, and KO was great at stalling for 4 or 5 minutes in entertaining ways

Big Coffin Hunter
Aug 13, 2005

well that summerslam 4 way was cool and the joe/brock feud was pretty cool but that match was... well it was a brock match

rovert
Jun 10, 2013
The 100,000 plus capacity show in Melbourne seems to be happening

https://twitter.com/cleary_mitch/status/1007375343097794560

MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

THE LIAR

Big Coffin Hunter posted:

We're gonna have to disagree on this because Jericho letting Goldberg be Goldberg all over the title and the greatest 5 minute match in at least WWE history at Mania were the only cool things that happened with the title. KO's reign wasn't great but if he was going to be squashed for the title all three players in that made it really fun in Goldberg being Goldberg, Jericho being Jericho and the booking leading to his arrival, and KO was great at stalling for 4 or 5 minutes in entertaining ways

The Lesnar vs. Goldberg match at Mania is exactly as cool as it is whether or not it's for the title. The Universal Title match at WM33 should've been Jericho vs. Owens. I 100% believe this.

fatherofmustard
May 15, 2018

VJeff posted:

No, that was the biggest joke of all.

The Universal Title was a joke when it was revealed and Brooklyn poo poo on it. Then Finn Balor made it not a joke for roughly 24 hours. Then he vacated it and Owens won it and he was booked like poo poo, so it became a joke again, but Owens and Jericho were still basically carrying Raw.

Then Goldberg squashed Owens and Owens went from "poorly booked champion but still working extremely hard to make all of his matches and segments watchable" to "chump that got squashed at Fastlane fighting for the midcard title second from the top at Mania." and he literally has not recovered to this day. And Goldberg went from "unstoppable badass on completely awesome run, beloved by all" to "squashed a fan favorite to win a title that made him less over. Belt pillow for Lesnar."

Goldberg squashing Owens is the moment the Universal Championship died. I firmly believe this.

It died when they named it the Universal Championship and made it look like a fruit roll-up.

Niwrad
Jul 1, 2008

VJeff posted:

The Lesnar vs. Goldberg match at Mania is exactly as cool as it is whether or not it's for the title. The Universal Title match at WM33 should've been Jericho vs. Owens. I 100% believe this.

I agree with this.

It was also dumb when they made Rock vs Cena for the title instead of just leaving it on Punk and having him in a meaningful match.

rovert
Jun 10, 2013
Mods/elders are we doing WWE UK thread? WWE are posting matches on Youtube?

Big Coffin Hunter
Aug 13, 2005

VJeff posted:

The Lesnar vs. Goldberg match at Mania is exactly as cool as it is whether or not it's for the title. The Universal Title match at WM33 should've been Jericho vs. Owens. I 100% believe this.

You know I can't argue with any part of this sentence.

MJeff
Jun 2, 2011

THE LIAR

Niwrad posted:

I agree with this.

It was also dumb when they made Rock vs Cena for the title instead of just leaving it on Punk and having him in a meaningful match.

At least in that case, there was a reason to make that rematch as big as possible by having the title in there, and it was the sequel to the biggest drawing match of all times. There's a line of logic there. (My unsatisfied smarky rear end still thinks it should've been a triple threat to just fuckin' give Punk his main event, I don't see how that draws less than Twice in a Lifetime). WM33 wasn't on pay per view, so, no such logic applies.

Also, again, I feel like Goldberg became a belt pillow when he won the title. It made the fact that he was losing way too obvious. Not that him losing wasn't already pretty obvious, but it being a title match made it beyond a shadow of a doubt

Big Coffin Hunter
Aug 13, 2005

Niwrad posted:

I agree with this.

It was also dumb when they made Rock vs Cena for the title instead of just leaving it on Punk and having him in a meaningful match.

I'm with Punk and it should have been an Elimination Triple Threat with Punk being the first one pinned.

rovert
Jun 10, 2013
https://twitter.com/jmshapyro/status/1007389672497180673

STING 64
Oct 20, 2006

rovert posted:

Mods/elders are we doing WWE UK thread? WWE are posting matches on Youtube?

i think a UK+Europe thread is a good idea since its gaining its own identity apart from american indies especially with how wwe's tentacles and the ITV deal are reshaping things.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

rovert posted:

Mods/elders are we doing WWE UK thread? WWE are posting matches on Youtube?

STONE COLD 64 posted:

i think a UK+Europe thread is a good idea since its gaining its own identity apart from american indies especially with how wwe's tentacles and the ITV deal are reshaping things.

Yes I think posting a WWE UK thread is a good idea. Since WWE is putting first round matches up on the Network/Youtube over the next week or so, it's free range to talk about them. Just keep in mind not everybody is gonna be able to watch everything all at once, so try to avoid blurting out all the results immediately if not necessary, give people a chance to actually see the matches first.

Edit: Somebody from the UK is probably best suited to making the thread, but anybody who feels they have sufficient knowledge could make one too.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004


Out here, everything hurts.




Shinjobi posted:

I don't think we'd be talking about the booking and writing if it were just...simply bad.

The writing is bad, but also bipolar and completely without any coherence. Why do wrestling fans bring up continuity? Because it is legitimately a shocking thing for the WWE to remember, to the point where just a throwaway line nowadays by a wrestler can instantly enhance a singular match. It's beyond just bad writing. If the WWE could manage to put out bad writing, I'd be watching the product. What the WWE puts out is the equivalent of insane wall carvings of a man who eats his own feces.

Bad would be an improvement, I'm 90% sure nobody writing has ever watched a wrestling match in their life, and is briefed on the skills and characters of the wrestlers they're writing for as described by a six year old with brain damage through a hole in a fence.

sticklefifer
Nov 11, 2003

by VideoGames

JitteryComa posted:

Isn't that the record they broke? Because Demolition was suing WWE or something?
Yep, upon checking, you're right; they did beat Demo's record. But they definitely did promote New Day breaking it at the time. Which at least made sense because the World Tag titles had been defunct for years, where in the Universal/WWE title situation both are currently active and only the WWE title has a long lineage.

The history of WWE's tag titles is convoluted as hell. If I remember right it's something like:
-World Tag Team Championships introduced, doesn't continue WWWF Tag lineage
-World Tag absorbs WCW Tag
-World Tag becomes Raw exclusive in the brand split
-WWE Tag introduced as Smackdown exclusive
-WWE Tag wins when they merge the brands, but doesn't absorb lineage of World Tag for some reason
-WWE Tag becomes Raw Tag in the 2nd brand split
-Smackdown Tag introduced

So the lineage belts are gone, the old Smackdown titles are the new Raw titles, and the Smackdown titles are new.

That's not even getting into what they did with the Big Gold Belt and all the midcard belts in the 2000s either. :psyduck:

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Man, that 90 minute New Day/Elite video was literally just them sitting and playing video games and it was loving enthralling. WWE is squandering some amazing talent in The New Day, and what makes it worse is that they're probably one of the groups that actually gets some freedom to express themselves on a show.

Edit: Speaking of tag teams, it looks like The Bludgeon Brothers vs The Good Brothers has been shifted to the pre-show, and that The Deleters of Worlds vs The B Team isn't even mentioned in WWE's PPV rundown? :psyduck:

Edit Edit: Yep!

"WWE.com posted:

WWE Champion AJ Styles vs. Shinsuke Nakamura (Last Man Standing Match)
Men’s Money in the Bank Ladder Match
Women’s Money in the Bank Ladder Match
Raw Women’s Champion Nia Jax vs. Ronda Rousey
SmackDown Women’s Champion Carmella vs. Asuka
Roman Reigns vs. Jinder Mahal
SmackDown Tag Team Champions The Bludgeon Brothers vs. Luke Gallows & Karl Anderson (Kickoff Match)
Bobby Lashley vs. Sami Zayn
Intercontinental Champion Seth Rollins vs. Elias
Daniel Bryan vs. Big Cass

Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 08:29 on Jun 15, 2018

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

Jerusalem posted:

Man, that 90 minute New Day/Elite video was literally just them sitting and playing video games and it was loving enthralling. WWE is squandering some amazing talent in The New Day, and what makes it worse is that they're probably one of the groups that actually gets some freedom to express themselves on a show.
Actively squandering it no less. This is a reminder that creative are constantly trying to break New Day up and have them do the standard TagTeam101 thing. It truly bothers me that WWE and it's writers see people using their own creativity and charisma to get themselves over, and think to themselves "hey, I bet what would make this better if I interfered and tried to make it just like everything else"

quote:

Edit: Speaking of tag teams, it looks like The Bludgeon Brothers vs The Good Brothers has been shifted to the pre-show, and that The Deleters of Worlds vs The B Team isn't even mentioned in WWE's PPV rundown? :psyduck:

Edit Edit: Yep!

Regarding B-Team vs Deleters of Worlds, are they going to take this match seriously and squash Bo and Axel, (there is an argument that this would be good as the DoW are former tag champs I think, and really shouldn't be pushed or beaten by the comedy jobbers), or are they going to tap into the wellspring of goofy awesome that all 4 men have?

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Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

BrigadierSensible posted:

Actively squandering it no less. This is a reminder that creative are constantly trying to break New Day up and have them do the standard TagTeam101 thing. It truly bothers me that WWE and it's writers see people using their own creativity and charisma to get themselves over, and think to themselves "hey, I bet what would make this better if I interfered and tried to make it just like everything else"


Regarding B-Team vs Deleters of Worlds, are they going to take this match seriously and squash Bo and Axel, (there is an argument that this would be good as the DoW are former tag champs I think, and really shouldn't be pushed or beaten by the comedy jobbers), or are they going to tap into the wellspring of goofy awesome that all 4 men have?

The writers write for Vince, and Vince doesn't like tag teams. Teamwork is socialism. Real men don't have friends.

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