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The thing that gets me about the whole thing is that the game seems to think that Kara, Luther, and Alice are trying to make a land crossing to Canada. Which would require them to either go to New York or Minnesota. The closest tunnel is in Detroit so I have no idea how they get from Zlatko's house to a creepy abandoned theme park in the middle of nowhere on the way to the city that they haven't actually left yet?
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Episode 23 with Anticheese is now up. Even in the far reaches of such mystical lands as New Zealand, the American history that David Cage is poorly imitating is obvious. I don't even know if that sentence makes any sense because migraine has me in its grip but someone correct me and I'll edit it later. I just want to get this update posted for tonight.
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Feb 26, 2019 05:59
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"Domestic Disputes from the WORLD OF TOMORROW." made me lose my poo poo. So thanks for that.CirclMastr posted:I don't even know if that sentence makes any sense because migraine has me in its grip but someone correct me and I'll edit it later. I just want to get this update posted for tonight.
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Feb 26, 2019 06:25
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They could have told the cop to leave and the story wouldn't suffer for it.
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Feb 26, 2019 09:17
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Aren't androids mass-produced in this game? Like, the ad showed that Kara is a standard model. Shouldn't it be way easier to tell who's an android? Even if that cop hadn't been told which model to look for, don't they have facial recognition technology? Just pull out your phone and go "Oh look, you're an android."
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Feb 26, 2019 15:29
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yo don't let the cops come into your house, poo poo
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Feb 26, 2019 15:48
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Tiggum posted:Aren't androids mass-produced in this game? Like, the ad showed that Kara is a standard model. Shouldn't it be way easier to tell who's an android? Even if that cop hadn't been told which model to look for, don't they have facial recognition technology? Just pull out your phone and go "Oh look, you're an android." Well, I think that's the whole magazine thing, because that's Kara's model, so he'd look at the magazine, look at Kara, and go "Look, twins. Why don't we have a conversation downtown?" Elsewise... I mean, no temple LED, she's clearly a human. Duh.
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Feb 26, 2019 15:55
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Lazy Bear posted:Well, I think that's the whole magazine thing, because that's Kara's model, so he'd look at the magazine, look at Kara, and go "Look, twins. Why don't we have a conversation downtown?" Elsewise... I mean, no temple LED, she's clearly a human. Duh. But everyone knows that androids can turn off their LED's right?
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Feb 26, 2019 16:08
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ACAB, Kara!
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Feb 27, 2019 02:04
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Tiggum posted:But everyone knows that androids can turn off their LED's right? If they know, folks keep forgetting.
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Feb 27, 2019 05:09
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It could be a combination of Cyberlife not knowing what happens with Deviants and intentionally keeping people in the dark on what they do actually know.
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Feb 27, 2019 05:16
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It's interesting - and entirely unremarked on by the game - that Alice, a human, seems to be including herself with the androids in that little bedside conversation.
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Mar 2, 2019 04:05
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malkav11 posted:It's interesting - and entirely unremarked on by the game - that Alice, a human, seems to be including herself with the androids in that little bedside conversation. Given that Luther wanted to talk to you about her earlier, and since the game has already demonstrated that child androids are a thing, what do you think the odds are that Todd's wife actually took their daughter and Todd bought an android to replace her in an attempt to feel like he isn't a complete failure? Then again, this is David Cage we're talking about. That sort of subtlety is usually beyond him.
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Mar 2, 2019 04:23
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Episode 24 with Dan and Grace is up. It's easy to raise a resistance when you can just brainwash the populace into supporting you!
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Mar 4, 2019 15:24
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Cop lover.
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Mar 4, 2019 22:47
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spare the poh-leece
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Mar 4, 2019 22:49
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I just realized that the cop and Grace are both named Chris. So there's a joke there about Dan wanting to kill Grace but it probably needed to be told in the moment. C'est la vie.
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Mar 4, 2019 22:55
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Episode 25 with Miz Kriss is now up. It turns out the guy who invented androids is a pretentious jerk and not, y'know, a computer or engineering nerd. Makes perfect sense.
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Mar 7, 2019 17:55
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He was so pretentious my router barfed halfway through the recording
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Mar 7, 2019 19:44
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A cop visiting a private household and his non-cop advisor decides on breaking private property and discharging a firearm not belonging to him, in a presumably blue city, is too difficult to consider for David Cage.
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Mar 7, 2019 20:34
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It doesn't even have to be that complex! Chain of command: civilian stranger orders you to fire weapon, buddy cop Hank says "no, we're leaving," and yet somehow instead of the natural response of, "well, my boss says no, so I'm outta here, smug weirdo," the whole dang thing is about Connor? gently caress you, David Cage.
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Mar 8, 2019 19:47
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liquidypoo posted:It doesn't even have to be that complex! Chain of command: civilian stranger orders you to fire weapon, buddy cop Hank says "no, we're leaving," and yet somehow instead of the natural response of, "well, my boss says no, so I'm outta here, smug weirdo," the whole dang thing is about Connor? gently caress you, David Cage. It doesn't even have to derail the scene. Just keep the existing options plus one to obey Hank, in which case Connor pretends that he's just following orders but is obviously relieved to have the excuse and then outside the house tells Hank that he couldn't have done it anyway.
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Mar 9, 2019 12:29
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Logic and common sense do not exist for David Cage
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Mar 9, 2019 20:12
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liquidypoo posted:It doesn't even have to be that complex! Chain of command: civilian stranger orders you to fire weapon, buddy cop Hank says "no, we're leaving," and yet somehow instead of the natural response of, "well, my boss says no, so I'm outta here, smug weirdo," the whole dang thing is about Connor? gently caress you, David Cage. i had A LOT OF WORDS go through my head about that entire scene from a programmer's perspective, too. this entire spiel about empathy that he had was incredibly inappropriate coming from a technologist without first defining what empathy means and how he is measuring it. his test means nothing because he didn't bother to establish what his suppositions were and what his expected outcomes are. a look at all the ink spilled on the turing test that he loves so much should show how important this is. the definitions for how to define a pass go back 300 years before alan's time (alan himself quoted Descartes when reasoning about the test), and even alan was very, very careful to talk about what passing the test meant. it has to be evaluated in the very specific context that the machine is fulfilling. alan himself highlighted all of this by pointing out that you could 'pass' a test by saying he could design a lovely robot that played a subpar game of chess and putting a human that plays an equally subpar game of chess in another room, and the human would have a difficult time telling whether or not his opponent was human or not. that does in fact constitute a pass on the turing test, because the context is: - in the game of chess - with no non-chess interactions permitted - at an unranked/beginner skill level - with no distinguishing visual input for the human so let's start to establish some of the context for the detroit androids - and, specifically, the Chloebot that he had: - at some specific task (in this case, housekeeping/hostessing) - with full faculties at the human's disposal - with movement, speech, handling, and interaction (on the part of the robot) included this is quite the context! you could argue that chloe's mood ring is an autofail because it is a dead giveaway she isn't human. but let's assume that for the test's purposes she has that papered over/removed. beyond that, we can come up with a very specific set of actions she must perform and responses she must support in order to ostensibly pass the test in the strict interpretation. stuff like walking, opening doors, moving to sitting, standing, kneeling positions, potentially using tools, and more. you will also note how much less context there is than alan's supposition in here. what interactions with chloe are permitted in the subject of the test? am i allowed to throw her out the window? or, more generally, do i have to stay within the context of hostessing and housekeeping? even within that context, can i ask for her to make me a souffle, or just a sandwich? if i have filet mignon and ribeye in the fridge, and i tell her to make me a steak, do i expect her to resolve the ambiguity herself, or does she have to ask me? i'm willing to forgive all of this in terms of the game because 'turing test' is so much pop shorthand that i honestly don't expect people to really understand what it means, and trying to lecture the audience about all of that would be incredibly tedious. ultimately though all of this goes into the sort of seriousness and care you need to approach something like the empathy question with. how are you defining empathy? with EXACT terms? what are its practical effects? with EXACT, preferably mathematical terms? then, and only then can you start to maybe answer the question of how you test for it. and that will absolutely require a proposal that's dozens of pages long, it will need to be peer reviewed, etc. again, i do not expect the game to show all of this and bore the audience with all the minutiae of how these words are being used and how he's walking through his proposals. but at the absolute least, your superstar programmer character should understand this in character. he should talk about these things with extreme care, precision, and deference. he should at least be saying poo poo like "i'm looking for a refusal to inflict harm upon specifically a form with physical similarity, specifically because the subject sees a bit of themselves in the other form." even that still leaves some ambiguity (how are you defining the subject's self, how similar is physical similarity, blah blah) but it's a good go at it for one sentence and for a lay audience. he should not talk about these sorts of tests like an edgy teenager that just read Neuromancer for the first time. Coolguye fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Mar 10, 2019 |
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Mar 10, 2019 02:43
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Episode 26 with Dan and Grace is now up. This is it, Peak Markus. It can never be more Markus than this. Thanks, I hate it.
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Mar 11, 2019 20:02
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I almost feel bad that Dan and Grace couldn't hear the Phillip Glass as gently caress music that was playing during that entire sequence.
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Mar 11, 2019 20:51
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The problem with David Cage being so incompetent is that I can't tell if North's hair being under her backpack is an error or some sort of intentional thing.
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Mar 11, 2019 21:30
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Philly is in the spread open, rear end cheeks of my state. No surprise those people broke the robot. Your komrades seem to exist as unchanging opposing forces for its own sake.
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Mar 11, 2019 22:23
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Episode 27 with Coolguy is now up. Come find out if I screwed up at some point and need to replay previous chapters! Also Coolguy admitted something was well-designed in this game, can you believe it?
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Mar 15, 2019 17:36
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it's not for lack of talent that this game is weird! you can definitely see the competence of the team oozing out.
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Mar 15, 2019 18:01
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Episode 28 with Coolguy, Miz Kriss, Dan, and Grace is now up. Everybody come check out the worst plot twist of the game and listen to Dan poo poo on me instantly for it.
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Mar 26, 2019 21:49
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Mostly I'm just glad someone finally knew what I meant when I yelled "HERE COMES THE PIZZA!" because I say that a lot Like, a lot
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Mar 26, 2019 23:11
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Be thankful that Circl doesn't title his episodes because we had the worst best chat before recording started.Danaru posted:Mostly I'm just glad someone finally knew what I meant when I yelled "HERE COMES THE PIZZA!" because I say that a lot
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Mar 26, 2019 23:17
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Albu-quirky Guy posted:Given that Luther wanted to talk to you about her earlier, and since the game has already demonstrated that child androids are a thing, what do you think the odds are that Todd's wife actually took their daughter and Todd bought an android to replace her in an attempt to feel like he isn't a complete failure? OH MY GOD I THOUGHT I WAS JOKING
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Mar 26, 2019 23:21
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i think deep down you knew it was coming all along.
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Mar 26, 2019 23:34
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Honestly deep down I didn't think David Cage was clever enough (stupid enough?) to think of it.
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Mar 26, 2019 23:52
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I guess Canada will become a super power since it doesn't have 80% of its economy dependent on rebellious machines.
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Mar 27, 2019 00:24
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Scalding Coffee posted:I guess Canada will become a super power since it doesn't have 80% of its economy dependent on rebellious machines. They all just fight over over a game of hockey 
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Mar 27, 2019 03:26
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Oh my god, John and Josh ARE different characters. The lanky black guy with short hair who sacrificed himself for Markus last time was the spare one, not the main one; I had convinced myself last time that Josh must have joined at the parts depot mission and I just hadn't been paying enough attention. It is super weird that they keep presenting Connor's decisions (which have obviously been decisions already) as purely part of COPBOT OVERRIDE. "Now that I have overcome my directive to follow orders, I am A-okay with the thought of these people having giant fuckoff blocks of C4 which they apparently intend to use, and the leader letting the homicidal lieutenant keep hold of the dirty bomb detonator. These are my best friends now!"
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Also, why didn't Markus use his robo-jesus wifi brainwashing power to convert Connor rather than risk a gunpoint encounter?
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