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lofi
Apr 2, 2018



We don't have a general CC-shooting-the-poo poo chat thread, and I figured I'd remedy that.

Last year I was doing an art foundation (pre-university course designed to make up for the horrible state of art education in schools), and the thing I found most valuable was sharing a workspace with a bunch of creative-nerds of wildly different specialisations and just talking stuff over. You talk to a designer about your ideas, and you're going to get wildly different thoughts than you will talking to a poet or sculptor, and it ended being an incredibly valuable resource to me. I miss it, and it's something I've been struggling to find since.

So what's everyone working on at the moment? My current thing is super-short-form comics, 8xA7 (~11x8cm) pages, doing a new one each month. The idea behind it is because I'm new at comics, I figure the first bunch I make will all be poo poo, so I might as well start over monthly so I can use the lessons I learn. The specific format is because that can be folded from an A4 sheet, so I print them at home and leave them scattered about the place. Plus it's just cool to be able to make the thing from start to finish and hold it in my hands.

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Sitting Here
Dec 31, 2007


Blood Empress of Thunderdome

Tap to emit spores


Clapping Larry

Like shooting poo poo in a barrel

I'm trying to finish the 3rd draft of a short story, nearish-future scifi primarily focused on the interaction between the protagonist and an emergent, city-spanning AI. Writing sucks and is bad and I should go back to drawing.

I dunno if you've already posted about this thread in the art threads, but you might wanna pop into the major CC threads and let people know this is here, since many folks only read the threads in their bookmarks.

this broken hill
Apr 10, 2018
Probation
Can't post for 16 hours!


toot toot

Johny-on-the-Spot
Apr 17, 2015

That feeling when he opens
the door for you


I just finished a logo for a hunting resort, that offers a monkey adventure package, so I can't stop think about that goon who lust for monkey death.

lofi
Apr 2, 2018



Sitting Here posted:

Like shooting poo poo in a barrel

I'm trying to finish the 3rd draft of a short story, nearish-future scifi primarily focused on the interaction between the protagonist and an emergent, city-spanning AI. Writing sucks and is bad and I should go back to drawing.

I dunno if you've already posted about this thread in the art threads, but you might wanna pop into the major CC threads and let people know this is here, since many folks only read the threads in their bookmarks.

Good call, I hadn't thought of that!

Is your AI self-improving ? I can imagine weird poo poo with a relationship when one person is growing smarter by the second. It'd be a bastard to write though.

Writing is awesome, the cleanup time makes up for any sins.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk


Hi avs.

I'm playing a bit of cello with a friend, some songs we wrote ages ago that we're working up to play at an open mic.

sebmojo fucked around with this message at Jun 19, 2018 around 01:19

this broken hill
Apr 10, 2018
Probation
Can't post for 16 hours!


hello, friend

smallmouth
Oct 1, 2009



I started another six week session of figure drawing. Itís kind of a pain to facilitate, but at least I get to draw for free. My mom asked if I planned to enter any shows this year, but itís so expensive to enter and I donít have much new finished work anyhow.

InevitableCheese
Jul 10, 2015

quite a pickle you've got there


Hello everyone I buy books and class subscriptions and forget to draw

Al!
Apr 2, 2010





my big blue sky project is an old school adventure game. i dont have any formal art education but im such a dilettante it probably wouldnt have done much good anyway. but im finding the thing thats hardest is actually writing dialogue i dont immediately hate.

Meinberg
Oct 9, 2011

ICE-MEIN


Iím working an novel outline and boy howdy is it not going well. Iím also in a writing workshop which is having me stretch my poetry muscles which is cool.

Sitting Here
Dec 31, 2007


Blood Empress of Thunderdome

Tap to emit spores


Clapping Larry

lofi posted:

Is your AI self-improving ? I can imagine weird poo poo with a relationship when one person is growing smarter by the second. It'd be a bastard to write though.

I'm focusing on one construct within the AI, created to facilitate interaction with the protagonist. The construct is indeed self-teaching, but this is a problem when it starts to disagree with the rest of itself!

No fuckin' idea if i'll pull it off.

CantDecideOnAName
Jan 1, 2012

And I understand if you ask
Was this life,
was this all?


I'm actually taking a bit of a break from writing various novels and trying to write some more lighthearted stuff. It's hard to find the passion again once you start doubting yourself.

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused


I'm mostly doing crappy figure drawing and getting depressed because drawing people is too loving hard.

this broken hill
Apr 10, 2018
Probation
Can't post for 16 hours!


i am writing a novel about a man with a plan

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk

CantDecideOnAName posted:

I'm actually taking a bit of a break from writing various novels and trying to write some more lighthearted stuff. It's hard to find the passion again once you start doubting yourself.

i liked your crowstory in thunderdome this week : )))

cptn_dr
Sep 7, 2011

It's just so good!


sebmojo posted:

i liked your crowstory in thunderdome this week : )))

Agreed! It made me very happy

Al!
Apr 2, 2010





so can we post dumb poo poo we made itt i hope jk im gonna subject u 2 it anyway



i found a plastic spider ring making a web in my mattress pad somehow

CantDecideOnAName
Jan 1, 2012

And I understand if you ask
Was this life,
was this all?


sebmojo posted:

i liked your crowstory in thunderdome this week : )))

cptn_dr posted:

Agreed! It made me very happy

Aw shucks. Thanks guys!

Sitting Here
Dec 31, 2007


Blood Empress of Thunderdome

Tap to emit spores


Clapping Larry

Al! posted:

so can we post dumb poo poo we made itt i hope jk im gonna subject u 2 it anyway



i found a plastic spider ring making a web in my mattress pad somehow

Al!
Apr 2, 2010





i got that lighting effect via holding a cellphone in flashlight mode behind the pad and also being a ridiculous person who actually spent on one of those LED lightbulbs that u can change color via an app

Propitious Jerk
Sep 13, 2010


Internet Kraken posted:

I'm mostly doing crappy figure drawing and getting depressed because drawing people is too loving hard.

Whenever I get disgruntled with my current work I open up a folder of stuff from two or three years ago and boy does it cheer me up to see how much I've improved.

lofi
Apr 2, 2018



Yeah, I know that feeling, I'm scanning a load of old sketchbooks at the moment, and I keep being like "what the christ was this".

Turns out turning sketchbooks into .cbr (comic reader files, made by renaming .rar archives) files works really well, it's dull work but it's freeing up so much space. Or at least it will, when I can bring myself to chuck the hardcopy, it feels kinda sacrilegious.

this broken hill
Apr 10, 2018
Probation
Can't post for 16 hours!


when i was a kid i used to draw all the time and my people looked like pyramidal gooey-eyed alien things but i didn't care. now i can't draw because every time i try, i look at what i just made and think "that's not a loving human, that's a space crab in a skin suit, kill it, KILL IT" and have to tear it out and throw it away. i don't know at what age i learnt to recognise what does and doesn't look like a human face, it was only like in my mid-20s, but i wish i could un-learn it and go back to the horrific manga beasts of old

this broken hill
Apr 10, 2018
Probation
Can't post for 16 hours!


now i can only derive artistic satisfaction from cramming my rear end full of conte pencils and leaving a trail of finely powdered charcoal wherever i go, an ephemeral monument to my passage through this world

Sitting Here
Dec 31, 2007


Blood Empress of Thunderdome

Tap to emit spores


Clapping Larry

this broken hill posted:

when i was a kid i used to draw all the time and my people looked like pyramidal gooey-eyed alien things but i didn't care. now i can't draw because every time i try, i look at what i just made and think "that's not a loving human, that's a space crab in a skin suit, kill it, KILL IT" and have to tear it out and throw it away. i don't know at what age i learnt to recognise what does and doesn't look like a human face, it was only like in my mid-20s, but i wish i could un-learn it and go back to the horrific manga beasts of old


this broken hill posted:

now i can only derive artistic satisfaction from cramming my rear end full of conte pencils and leaving a trail of finely powdered charcoal wherever i go, an ephemeral monument to my passage through this world

is this art? am i looking at an art right now???

this broken hill
Apr 10, 2018
Probation
Can't post for 16 hours!


Sitting Here posted:

is this art? am i looking at an art right now???
no sorry, i'm just a space crab in a skin suit

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk

Press F to art

Sitting Here
Dec 31, 2007


Blood Empress of Thunderdome

Tap to emit spores


Clapping Larry

this broken hill posted:

no sorry, i'm just a space crab in a skin suit

Oh, well in that case, if this is some kind of normie spacecrab skinsuit thread, im out

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused


Propitious Jerk posted:

Whenever I get disgruntled with my current work I open up a folder of stuff from two or three years ago and boy does it cheer me up to see how much I've improved.

I suppose. Its just disheartening to try and start a new picture and struggle so much with it. You think you've reached a point where you can mostly realize your visions but nope basic anatomy still eludes you.

Also I've decided the absolute worst feeling is spending hours working on a picture, finishing it, and feeling really happy with the results. Then you notice a perspective problem that ruins the whole thing and the picture falls apart.

XBenedict
May 23, 2006

YOUR LIPS SAY 0, BUT YOUR EYES SAY 1.


Propitious Jerk posted:

Whenever I get disgruntled with my current work I open up a folder of stuff from two or three years ago and boy does it cheer me up to see how much I've improved bum me out to see how much good stuff got wasted by clients with no loving taste or sense of design.

lofi
Apr 2, 2018



They don't need taste, that's what they pay you to have!

pixelbaron
Mar 18, 2009

~ Notice me, Shempai! ~


Approaching the finish line on creating a cool magic trick but writing the instructions always sucks the life out of me.

lofi
Apr 2, 2018



As in stage magic, nothing up my sleeves? That's rad, how do you go about making one? I'd have no idea how you'd even start.

Al!
Apr 2, 2010





lofi posted:

They don't need taste, that's what they pay you to have!

i volunteer to be a professional art taster

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused


Strange, all this art tastes like trash...

crabrock
Aug 2, 2002

aka sticklegs



Grimey Drawer

Al! posted:

so can we post dumb poo poo we made itt i hope jk im gonna subject u 2 it anyway



i found a plastic spider ring making a web in my mattress pad somehow

i thought this was a nissl staining

magnificent7
Sep 22, 2005

THUNDERDOME LOSER


pixelbaron posted:

Approaching the finish line on creating a cool magic trick but writing the instructions always sucks the life out of me.
Step 1: After you've sold your soul to Satan and acquired the dark arts, show that your top hat is currently empty.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk

We are art trash pandas.

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pixelbaron
Mar 18, 2009

~ Notice me, Shempai! ~


lofi posted:

As in stage magic, nothing up my sleeves? That's rad, how do you go about making one? I'd have no idea how you'd even start.

Yeah, that kind of magic.

One way magic creators develop a trick is they come up with the overall effect/payoff/presentation (what the audience/camera/whatever is going to see) first and then work backwards from that point to figure out how they are going to achieve that magic moment in the best way possible. The way it worked for me this time around was the opposite: I was talking with someone about how they could utilize a couple of magic items they had and came up with something interesting during the course of the discussion that I mentally made a note of to develop further. So I developed the method first and then had to dick around and build up an interesting presentation.

Over the years, various magicians interested in magic theory have classified effects into various categories, like so:

Production (appearance, creation, multiplication)
Vanish (disappearance, obliteration)
Transposition (change in location)
Transformation (change in appearance, character or identity)
Penetration (one solid through another)
Restoration (making the destroyed whole)
Animation (movement imparted to the inanimate)
Anti-gravity (levitation and change in weight)
Attraction (mysterious adhesion)
Sympathetic Reaction (sympathetic response)
Invulnerability (injury-proof)
Physical Anomaly (contradictions, abnormalities, freaks)
Spectator Failure (magician's challenge)
Control (mind over the inanimate)
Identification (specific discovery)
Thought Reading (mental perception, mind reading)
Thought Transmission (thought projection and transference)
Prediction (foretelling the future)
Extrasensory Perception (unusual perception, other than mind)

This is just one example of effect classification, but this sums up everything that can be done in magic. Every piece of magic has one or more elements of the above, so you figure out what elements your trick has and then you research how to go about doing it. Each category above is going to have hundreds of variations depending on the objects you use and what you are doing, those variations are going to have improvements and subtleties added over the years , and so on, until the present day 2018.

To a certain degree you have to leave a portion of your ego at the door because there's no way to create something completely new and original in magic, you are always standing on the shoulders of someone else. You are usually coming up with some new way to present something, or a better way of doing something, or finding something that has been forgotten for 300 years and putting a modern spin on it.

That's kinda the gist of it.

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