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Antivehicular posted:This is true! I still think it's worth mentioning, because I think those used to very generous compliment-sandwich-style crits will find TD style an unpleasant surprise, but it's pretty much just frank assessment of a story's faults, not hyperbole and insults. Nobody's telling anyone to drink bleach these days. 
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lofi posted:I entered, and didn't even get a loser avatar! And they were all disturbingly nice, I'm still not 100% convinced it's not a long con. i really like this mirage icon so the thought of having it replaced kinda makes me sad...or semi pissed depending on mood.
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Fruity20 posted:i really like this mirage icon so the thought of having it replaced kinda makes me sad...or semi pissed depending on mood. It's $5 to replace your own avatar, so it's a five buck bet that you aren't the worst writer in the room. Anyway, up to you.
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May 14, 2019 23:22
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if you're afraid of posting in TD how will you ever be able to publish anything? think of TD as training, not only in writing but in emotional regulation. $5 is the cheapest lesson you'll ever get.
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May 14, 2019 23:28
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crabrock posted:if you're afraid of posting in TD how will you ever be able to publish anything?
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May 15, 2019 03:50
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That's always optional, unless you're judging.
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May 15, 2019 03:58
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sebmojo posted:That's always optional, unless you're judging. writer circles have always been a problem for me for this reason lol
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nankeen posted:yes but there's basic rules of etiquette saying one must both receive and give!!! TD also helps you learn to be more assertive and direct in your critiques, if something doesn't work in the piece you don't need to point out the positives to be able to say why it doesn't work for you, and what you would have liked to see instead. Not everyone needs to give a piece the full red pen treatment, but it's good practice to be able to narrow down and understand exactly why certain things don't work - you learn and they learn. Plus because of the environment, the bluntness is expected so you have some leeway to find your inner critic's voice and the appropriate way to communicate it.
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crabrock posted:if you're afraid of posting in TD how will you ever be able to publish anything? but my icon is still gonna be lost forever...unless i just save the image and store it someone as a decent workaround...still wanna save money until i get a decent flow of recurring income....
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Fruity20 posted:but my icon is still gonna be lost forever...unless i just save the image and store it someone as a decent workaround...still wanna save money until i get a decent flow of recurring income.... Just save it to your computer and use it again if it's removed. Whenever you feel like you got 5 bux left over, go for it.
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Are any of you folks familiar with Wacom tablets? There is a fellow selling a Wacom Intuos in my area that is pretty well priced, but it appears to be one of the older blue and white models. Are there any advantages in the apparently newer sku of all black tablets vs the older ones?
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An Intuos 3? (compare with these to confirm) That's the line of tablets so indestructible that Wacom started introducing some real lovely planned obsolescence in Intuos 4 and beyond. It's old enough now that compared to current offerings (not just Wacom models), the pressure levels are definitely low, the input area may be small depending on model, and the input area aspect ratio lines up with older squarer monitors rather than the current 16:9 that's most common. I'd be most concerned about drivers, last update for Intuos 3 was 2016.
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May 16, 2019 01:50
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This appears to be the model being offered. They only want $20 and claim it's in excellent condition, so I'm guessing it's particularly old (or stolen).
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any decent alternatives twitter? I've been posting on their for awhile now but I wanna move somewhere else..only real issue is that am looking a few things:
that's about it honestly...alas..closet i could find is deviantart and even then i'm wary of it's existence..
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Warbird posted:This appears to be the model being offered. They only want $20 and claim it's in excellent condition, so I'm guessing it's particularly old (or stolen). What you're looking at here is only a generation old, I'd guess? From immediately before Chinese tablet proliferation finally forced Wacom to start pushing out significant upgrades across all lines. For $20 that's pretty good, assuming there's nothing fucky going on. Fruity20 posted:closet i could find is deviantart and even then i'm wary of it's existence..
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Fish Noise posted:Oh! That's... fairly recent, actually. Drivers should be current. Wacom's been doing this obnoxious model churn and product line rebanding for years, so I was thinking of their older Intuos line (high end, now Intuos Pro) rather than their current Intuos line (entry level, which would've been Bamboo or Graphire in the past). i sadly have an account there but it's mostly dead. That and i keep forgetting all my usernames and passwords..
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There's rumours Tumblr's getting sold to pornhub, and the NSFW ban getting reversed, but that's not an option right now.
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lofi posted:There's rumours Tumblr's getting sold to pornhub, and the NSFW ban getting reversed, but that's not an option right now. at this rate, tumblr is pretty much gonna die soon no matter what. nice for them for trying but honestly...pornhub is the last company I could see doing this sort of thing. Tumblr always been known as a safe space for folks of different backgrounds intermingle with one another. I don't want tumblr to be another fetlife..besides, i need to dust up on my newgrounds art account soon.
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Warbird posted:Are any of you folks familiar with Wacom tablets? There is a fellow selling a Wacom Intuos in my area that is pretty well priced, but it appears to be one of the older blue and white models. Are there any advantages in the apparently newer sku of all black tablets vs the older ones? That's the model I had, I used it for 2 years as a full-time freelance artist. The tablet size is pretty tiny for full-time professional work, which is what cause me to eventually upgrade, but the tablet itself worked fine the whole time and I have no regrets about spending 90 bucks on it, 20 bucks seems like a good price to jump into using a tablet provided it works as advertised.
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Ended up grabbing a modern version new in box for $50 so I'm ok with that. Any recommended editors or tutorials or such for someone starting out with this stuff? I mainly picked this up for Blender texturing but I'd be interested in fiddling around with something more traditional. I saw that Painter 6 has a Bob Ross tutorial line that looked like a lot of fun, but it seems the freeware version that comes with the tablet just won't work with it.
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May 22, 2019 05:53
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Best advice I've heard is to use only the tablet for a couple of weeks, unplug your mouse. Getting used to the hand/eye disconnect is the biggest hurdle with tablets. Aside from that there's a ton of stuff out there, it depends what you want.
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Get doodlin'. Poke around and see what programs you like - for a sampling: krita, firealpaca, drawpile are free. Mess around with pressure sensitivity settings to find what's comfortable for you so you don't get tablet claw. Figure out your workspace layout and posture. Tape some smooth printer paper over the active area because wacom's tech works straight through that, and it provides a textured surface while not being as abrasive and ablative as wacom's own paper-simulating texture on the tablet. Check to see if there's any driver/windows fuckery causing the included version of Painter to not work. Sometimes windows' own native tablet drivers will fight with wacom's and you have to go into services to kill it.
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My understanding is you have to get a more expensive version of the program to have the features needed to follow along. It’s kind of lovely as it’s the first thing you see when you click the “how do I use this program” link upon starting up. Oh well.
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Speaking of TD would there be any interest in starting a low key version of that for visual art? I’ve been meaning to get back into drawing and that would be a fun way to get practice and feedback.
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readingatwork posted:Speaking of TD would there be any interest in starting a low key version of that for visual art? I’ve been meaning to get back into drawing and that would be a fun way to get practice and feedback. Go for it! Keeping a weekly (or at least regular) schedule, having the winner of last week judge the next and not responding to crits are the key elements that make td work but grab what works, I suspect artists might be tougher than writers about having their babies told they are ugly. Let me know if you want mod help for anything.
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Thanks! I'll write something up over the next few days and try to have it ready by the weekend. I'll reach out if I have any questions.
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So here's a few questions: -If we're concerned about scaring off potential participants how would people feel about having this be a win-only thing for now? As in there would be a winner and HMs but no losers or DMs which would let people participate without being afraid getting their feelings hurt. I'm kind of of two minds on this one since I personally kind of like having having loser titles given but I can see how it could be intimidating, particularly for newer artists who are still learning. -Are we able to offer avatars/gang tags to winners? -How does TD pick judges and how long is considered a fair amount of time to get crits done by? -What's a good archiving system for all of this? If this somehow lasts more than a month I don't want imgur to die and kill everyone's entries a few years down the line.
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readingatwork posted:- How does TD pick judges and how long is considered a fair amount of time to get crits done by? The current TD system is that the winner of each round is head judge for the next (unless they abdicate/don't post a prompt within 24 hours). The head judge posts the prompt and chooses the other two judges, although in practice the other judges generally just volunteer in-thread. Ideal turn-around time for crits is within a week or two, although some of us are... pretty far behind on that.
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readingatwork posted:-What's a good archiving system for all of this? If this somehow lasts more than a month I don't want imgur to die and kill everyone's entries a few years down the line. There's always LP's LPix. There's already random goons using it as a general imagehost (sorta guilty), and we're not exactly a high traffic subforum here. ...I did avoid putting the recursive dickpicks there, though.
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sebmojo posted:Go for it! Keeping a weekly (or at least regular) schedule, having the winner of last week judge the next and not responding to crits are the key elements that make td work but grab what works, I suspect artists might be tougher than writers about having their babies told they are ugly. Let me know if you want mod help for anything. i was summoned from my dusty crypt to talk about thunderdoming but yeah basically this. additionally, the reason writing TD has worked so well is because it's incredibly simple (three judges, the winner of one round judges the next, don't respond to crits), so there aren't too many rules to rules lawyer about. We've added a few over the years, as needed, but mostly the contest is a loosely functional headless monster, and I think that's its strength. I would probably throw my hat in the ring of artdome, though I got nothing on a lot of the very skilled folks here! e: readingatwork posted:
This depends, really. A traditional contest certainly wouldn't have losers or dishonorable mentions. So the question is whether you want people to feel like they're participating in a contest, as opposed to a cage match. I know what worked for writing TD, and honestly, it's thrived in spite of hurt feelings. Sitting Here fucked around with this message at 06:46 on May 24, 2019 |
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readingatwork posted:So here's a few questions: Good questions! I like ' punishing' losses and love the aggro and kayfabe of tdome, but I think that's helpful partly because everyone thinks they can write so it's a lot more efficient not to need to pull punches when explaining they are wrong. Art is maybe a bit different, idk. Sa is already good at robust criticism. I'm happy to offer a free gang tag for winning or an av for losing (not both), so you guys can choose which you want.
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Sorry, but can one of you explain what you’re talking about? A drawing contest of some sort?
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Warbird posted:Sorry, but can one of you explain what you’re talking about? A drawing contest of some sort? Thunderdome is a weekly short fiction contest here in CC. Each round has a winner, a loser, and some honorable and dishonorable mentions, chosen by a rotating trio of judges. Right now people are talking about creating an art contest with a similar structure.
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It (used to be) known for brutal crits and handing out loser avatars. It's mellowed in its dotage, though loser AVs are still a thing.
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lofi posted:It (used to be) known for brutal crits and handing out loser avatars. It's mellowed in its dotage, though loser AVs are still a thing. It's closing in on eight million words of terrible flash fiction so it's a good engine for producing stuff.
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I've occasionally considered starting a lighter/more newbie-friendly version of Thunderdome for more novice (or more nervous) writers, so people who don't feel ready for TD could try out the format and build skills with their peers, along with learning to take and give honest criticism. (I've basically imagined the model being suggested for Artdome, where there'd be winners/HMs but no losers/DMs, to help make people who are nervous about shameatars or being publicly called out feel more comfortable.) I'm not sure we have the population to make it work, though, especially since a long-term goal would be for participants to "graduate" to competing in TD.
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Antivehicular posted:I've occasionally considered starting a lighter/more newbie-friendly version of Thunderdome for more novice (or more nervous) writers, so people who don't feel ready for TD could try out the format and build skills with their peers, along with learning to take and give honest criticism. (I've basically imagined the model being suggested for Artdome, where there'd be winners/HMs but no losers/DMs, to help make people who are nervous about shameatars or being publicly called out feel more comfortable.) I'm not sure we have the population to make it work, though, especially since a long-term goal would be for participants to "graduate" to competing in TD. Could always run it as an intake - like a quarterly low stakes babydome to get folks up to speed and used to the format. Because you wouldn't be running it as often you've got time to give the participants extra attention and proper crits - and you're moving them onto TD and growing that, rather than creating a sep writing event that runs parallel and needs just as much (if not more) pastoral care/maintenance.
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Thanks for the feedback everyone! I think I have enough to get this posted. Look for something either tonight or tomorrow. I’m going to go with the newbiedome rules but also have periodic “hard mode” bouts for people who thrive on being punished for their failures. It will be an interesting social experiment and I think it will help give the thread it’s own identity separate from TD. Besides, It’s not like we can’t change things up later if we want to. sebmojo posted:Good questions! A gang tag for the winner would be awesome. I’m not sure what the design for it should be but I guess we can figure that out as we get a feel for things.
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