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Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


hey i made a facebook group a few days ago for folks called Leftist Creators,Artists, Makers, Designers, etc. you should hop on in ans join if you want a cool place to post/discuss art with other like-minded folks

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Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


Sharpest Crayon posted:

Real question: are there really that many right-wing artists and creatives? Seems sort of a redundant classification.

I mean it's possible they exist and I just haven't run into them, kinda like I didn't really believe that you could get an artist without crippling mental health problems before I did a shoutout in the daily doodles thread and found out that there's at least one.

oh man a lot of "apolitical" art groups on facebook are loving chock full of them believe me lmao. its impossible to talk about art like adults (subjects like cultural appropriation, gender/feminism in art, movements like surrealism or dada) without getting called a soyboy feminazi cuck unless you specifically weed those people out on facebook.

Kanine fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Jun 22, 2018

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


this broken hill posted:

anyway, if you're like me and struggle with linework because uneven or wobbly lines give you the jitters and trying to do lines on a tablet ends up with countless hours zoomed in to 60x magnification smoothing meticulously while your life marches on without you, traditional inking might work better for you. a .5 pen gives a perfect smooth line every time!

lazy nezumi is a loving godsend https://lazynezumi.com/

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


random thing but does anyone struggle with having too much reference and getting overwhelmed? like recently ive found that keeping my reference down to just a handful of really good images helps me immensely in clearing out "mental clutter" and related problems

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


FunkyAl posted:

I'm sad and mad and down about a lot, but I don't think I'm ever down about art. No matter what, it's always the thing I most like to do. It's like my oasis in the desert....

I saw 2001 a space odyssey in 70mm the other day and it made me remember everything I loved about cinema. I couldn't be even a little cynical about it!


Don't use depend too heavily on online images for reference, they're all as flat as drawings are. Reference real world objects and do studies of masters of various art movements

oh yeah i forgot to mention this is in the context of digital 3d stuff (i work as an environment artist in games mostly)

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


https://twitter.com/leighlahav/status/1012102806566723584

quote:

When I started at Pixar as an intern, I thought I’d landed my dream job. But my excitement was quickly tempered by a flood of warnings about Lasseter’s touchy-feely, boundary-crossing tendencies with female employees. It was devastating to learn, right from the start, that women were open targets for disrespect and harassment –– even at a world-renowned workplace in the most liberal-leaning city in the country. I was likewise told to steer clear of a particularly chauvinistic male lead in my department. Much like John, this man’s female targets had been reporting his vulgar, unprofessional behaviors for years, but his position and demeanor remained much the same.

I had my first uncomfortable encounter with this department head in a company kitchen, just two weeks into my internship. He cornered me with sexual comments while openly leering at my body. Over the next five years, I white-knuckled my way through many unwelcome, objectifying interactions with him, with Lasseter, and with other men; was physically groped by another male coworker; and was sidelined from projects by the unofficial boys’ club casting system.

https://variety.com/2018/film/news/pixar-boys-club-john-lasseter-cassandra-smolcic-1202858982/

its cool how multiple times when ive brought stuff like this up to other men in the games/animation industry i get told to not talk about it but jesus loving christ this poo poo is so sickening

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


https://byrslf.co/pixars-sexist-boys-club-9d621567fdc9?gi=5e8b19b37270

oh also here's the original medium article which is longer

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


i guess here's something different i guess then



recently ive been working on a lot of photobashed star wars blasters to make later in 3d. im still learning more about elements of design and these have been good exercises

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


Stuporstar posted:

Don't feel too bad. A high-school buddy of mine was rejected due to submitting "cartoon art" so portfolio judges often disqualify prospective students based on prejudice rather than whether you can draw or not. I took an evening figure drawing course the year before I applied and submitted my best work from that--got in easily that way.

i think my traditional drawing stuff was fine but i definitely got accepted to a couple art schools because i had a bunch of digital 3d stuff in my portfolio. a lot of those art schools were (and still are) launching bigger 3d/game/vfx centered programs so they prob were looking for students who were/are into that stuff? jokes on them tho i ended up going to mica and im focusing almost entirely on woodworking and sculpture rn. the mica sculpture department is awesome and im super happy to be there. (im still working as a freelance 3d artist rn to pay bills tho)

Kanine fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Jun 30, 2018

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


Sharpest Crayon posted:

I feel for ya buddy. When I applied for art college, part of the "points" was your grade school averages, the other part was three pieces we had to make in an exam. This way, if your school average was poor (like if you sucked at math and history and gymnastics), your excellent artistic ability could give you the points to carry over and get you in.
I absolutely got gently caress-all on the art points.
It can completely be the thing Stuporstar said, the stupid "real" artists don't do cartoony stuff snobbery. Buuuullllshiiiiit.
Failing once doesn't mean the next one will fail, though. If they've got examples of portfolios that would get your through, ask to see them so next time you know what they're looking for.
There's nothing wrong with working a grunt job to support yourself and doing art on your free time, either, it's just more time to build up your portfolio for your next attempt.
Still, sorry this happened 'cause I know it loving hurts.

Remember that when life gives your lemons, you draw the lemons and complain the whole way through.

im happy tho at my school (mica) this seems to be rapidly getting better. (according to friends currently at sva, risd, scad, ringling, and calarts this is also tru there.)

Kanine fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Jun 30, 2018

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


mutata posted:

This is your forum, so fair enough, but I don't really see "don't treat women like poo poo in the creative industries" as particularly political. Ok that's all thaaaanks!

don't you know doing literally anything to acknowledge the status quo might not be so great (god forbid you're not a straight cis white dude) is political!

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


mutata posted:

This is your forum, so fair enough, but I don't really see "don't treat women like poo poo in the creative industries" as particularly political. Ok that's all thaaaanks!

also from the 3dcg thread

Big K of Justice posted:

The worse place I've seen it is on some highly professional forums like Linkedin. In regards to Lasseter, I've seen too many shitheads go "This is PC run rampant", or "I don't understand what Lasseter is accused off" and " He's a great inspiration for us along with Catmull".

Catmull? That loving rear end in a top hat? Really? One of the key parts of fixing wages in the VFX/Animation business? gently caress him too.

Almost all of those comments are from the peanut gallery... ie. people who don't even work anywhere close to the entertainment industry.

From my experience, harassment always gets swept under the rug. At best until the current production is over then they can let the person go once their job is complete.

Masturbating system admin who watches porn on his workstation when he thinks no one at the studio? Brushed under the rug.

Sexual harassment against female co-workers from idiots? Buried until the show ends. If someone isn't placed high enough they get laid off and that's it.

Etc. It's depressing. And these were the mild cases. Not stuff like John Kricfalusi hiring underage interns, knocking them up and getting co-workers to drive them to the abortion clinic [that gem just came out a few weeks ago] or Lasseters groping/leering. "No it wasn't just Hugs".

We had one big name director who was pretty out of control in regards to alcohol and drugs and would make insane comments and harass folks, it got to the point the only people allowed near him or in dailies with him had were the studio reps and 2-3 approved people in production on our side as a vendor and that was it. [We even had to blank out artist names on the dailies reels because he would laser focus poo poo on certain individuals.]

The thing that makes this worst is all the crazy people who have no experience with this stuff happening is defending the perpetrators...

I sorta understand that now, because I've seen what happens when sexual harassment does to people who are sheltered to have never encountered it. They literally shut it out of their minds immediately and throw accusations at the accuser. I saw this happen at something as inane as a club outdoor gathering where a hired tour guide fondled one of the member's breasts as part of a "joke". The tour guide was well regarded in the community, and immediately people were threatening the victim despite there being several witnesses. Really messed up, it destroyed the club and it became split over the reaction. The people in charge apologized later because they never planned or imagine it happening to them. No plans and no one knew what to do, so they shut it out of their minds. Crazy.

So I can see why it takes years/decades for victims to come out. You get to be a victim all over again as people call you a liar.

And on Disney, anyone who worked for the mouse, you have to watch several videos and do a quiz on harassment in the workplace. It was mandatory you did it or you would be fired [This happened during a big show at ILM, we were told specifically we had to get this quiz done ASAP or you would be automatically fired, no joke.]. At the end you got a little Disney certificate print out stating you completed Disney worldwide harassment training.

I guess Lasseter never took that quiz..

yeah

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


quick question: do u like to listen to music when you work, if so what kind?

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


Internet Kraken posted:

So then they do that and it bombs because, regardless of quality, movies live and die by their advertising budget. Sure the quality of the movie might be amazing and it could be a cult classic but that's small comfort when you are suddenly unemployed and have to claw your way back into a highly-competitive job market.

It'd be nice if we lived in a society where people could freely explore creative interests without worry but the world can't even agree that putting children in cages is bad so that's not gonna happen.I'm pretty sure most people at Pixar are quite happy to have gotten a job with their talents, even if it they don't get to be the creative director. Besides, every day at work they build skills that will help their own personal creative pursuits, which I think is pretty desirable.

capitalism.txt

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


that brings up another question i have actually, when climate change, economic collapse, and the resultant political turmoil make poo poo hit the fan over the next two decades do you think you're going to keep trying to be an artist?

personally ill probably be the guy in my leftist militia that makes cool propaganda posters to paste all over the burned out city we're liberating

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


FunkyAl posted:

When the world ends i am going to move back to the jungle and eat a banana and scratch my balls

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


FunkyAl posted:

speaking as someone who was smoking about daily for the past couple years, quitting weed is probably also gonna help your focus and motivation. Ive been on "the wagon" about a month and am noticing i am much sharper than i have been for a while

i stopped smoking weed when i graduated high school and when to art college and now i have way better focus but massive anxiety/depression problems. luckily im medicated now but my first two years at art school i was getting panic attacks several times a week from the stress and i got really close to self-medicating again

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


Stuporstar posted:

Yeah, anyone who says you need to suffer for your art has no idea how much chronic pain makes it difficult to get anything done

ive never actually met another disabled person who thought their suffering made their art better enough that they wouldnt make it go away if given the choice

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


also i loving hated when people were like "at least all the suffering will fuel great art" after trump got elected because holy poo poo gently caress that noise

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


avshalemon posted:

it's complex! i have a congenital brain injury, and a lot of the pain that i'm in at the moment, as well as issues throughout my life, are due to muscular problems caused by that (both from effects of the injury on my general muscle tone, and the various weird things that happen around the surgical site). so right now it's actively loving with my ability to create art. but on the other hand, the differences in my brain have definitely contributed to my, um, interesting personality - which is where the art comes from. without the damage i wouldn't have the problems, but i might also not have the art. so i guess if i could have it my way, i'd keep my strange brain but encase it in a tungsten shell of terrifying power, and be able to shoot rockets out of my tits and rear end

same but id get tired carrying around the rockets so i'd prob just want normal bullets or some kind of energy weapon even

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


Sharpest Crayon posted:

I'm gonna start charging for my art on the pain scale depending on how much of a pain in the rear end they were to make.

"This piece is going cheap, it was only 2-noodlecupfulls of tears"
"This one was is a bit pricey, a saltwater aquarium on the pain scale"
"Behold my Magnum Opus, a full saltwater pool"

honestly i already sort of factor this in when i give estimates haha

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


also hey im curious how did you goons get into art?

i grew up being obsessed with lego, and i think that informed a lot of my early fascination with 3d spaces. then the forge mode in halo 3 transitioned into me making custom maps for pc games like counters-strike. from that i transitioned into game environment art because i found it a lot more fun making levels that looked really nice and wanted to become better at that than anything else.

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


also btw any other game devs in here should very much get involved with game industry labor organizing. especially in light of the recent bullshit arenanet firing and gamergate-style harassment campaign following it.

head on over to gameworkersunite if you want to find out more! https://www.gameworkersunite.org/

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


lofi posted:

You guys all know about Man After Man, right?

man after man is one of my favorite things ever

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo




i def would describe most of the batshit insane meme humor we see now among millenials/genx as neo-dadaism tho for real. this time tho instead of reacting to the mindless cruelty of world war it's reacting to the mindless cruelty of late cpaitalism

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo



Behind the Myth of Benevolence” Titus Kaphar


this is one of my favorite pieces of art now, it's pretty astounding just how much it communicates with such a straightforward concept

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


does anyone else have some good contemporary art they'd like to post/talk about?

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


holy poo poo check this out, the dev that produced dead cells is run as a cooperative and they even identify as anarcho-syndicalist. this makes me extremely excited

https://kotaku.com/game-studio-with-no-bosses-pays-everyone-the-same-1827872972

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo




ive been making star wars blaster guns for a few weeks ago figuring out what i'd like to make in 3d.

does anybody have suggestions on guns with cool silhouettes or parts that would be good for blasters?

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


here's an article that talks more about those tweets relating to valve that got posted before

https://www.pcgamer.com/ex-valve-employee-describes-ruthless-industry-politics/

also this is a good thread on the subject
https://twitter.com/JDespland/status/1021003260688240641

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


avshalemon posted:

i bought a company name the other day to do graphic design things and now i have an email address that is myname@companyname.org, every time i look at it i feel a stab of pride like i've finally become a real person

this reminds me of the first time i handed a business card to someone giving me a portfolio review and i felt like a grownup for the first time ever

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


art seems to either takes me 3 days or 3 months. nothing in between

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


Al! posted:

does anyone else feel like they have i don't know creative bi polar disorder for lack of a better term? i feel like i have this cycle where i will manically crank out one thing after another for 8 hours straight and then for weeks i can barely put pen to tablet. is that a normal thing or should i get checked out for regular bi polar disorder?

i have actual bipolar so yeah

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


what do you mean

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


oh nah it's cool

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


Since we're having a discussion about mental illness and art.

Stress, Suicide, and the Savannah College of Art and Design
How an art school in coastal Georgia is killing its students — and why no one is talking about it.


I dropped out of MICA for very similar reasons to what was outlined in this article. Even if MICA isn't as bad, these issues are common in art schools and are part of the reason I'm hesitant to tell prospective students they should attend art school when they ask me about it.

Kanine fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Aug 11, 2019

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


SCAD seems to be the extreme version of the problems that exist in every art school i know of

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


you are only one single person. literally the only thing you can do while the world is ending is try to affect things at a reasonable level. for me this means helping organize labor/tenant unions through the iww, and helping address food scarcity through food not bombs.

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


https://ediciones-ineditas.com/2018/04/12/about-hating-art/

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Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo


ok for real is it just me or does syd mead sound like kind of a pretentious asshat in all his interviews

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