Dick Bastardly posted:

After re-reading myself, I think I'd be willing to vote Asiina tbh

Asiina went after Keane (on D1? maybe D2) whom I believe is more likely town than not due his un-challenged or otherwise un-refuted claim.
She did mention a "plague" she contracted, thus leaving an excuse for lack of participation due to rolling loathe scum this game, as Foo has pointed out, as a part of her meta.
She also used AA's flip as a way to gain town cred which, along with the other thing previously listed, does seem to pint to a shady Asiina.

I should be available at least once more before deadline tonight to re-assess the game and go from there, but I think I would feel comfortable voting Asiina at this point. I won't however pending further discussion.

Captain Foo posted:

find the huge problem here

Dick Bastardly posted:

other than a few typos I'm not seeing what your getting at.

Retro Futurist posted:

This is probably a town tell for Asiina unfortunately.

Captain Foo posted:

wtf i prefer your old av

Retro Futurist posted:

This is probably a town tell for Asiina unfortunately.

Hal Incandenza posted:

Interesting, you had enough opinions to want to thunderdome someone just yesterday! But don’t forget you thought I was the best.

Really though are you being flippant or can you genuinely not remember what you’ve been doing this game?

AnonymousNarcotics posted:

Aahhh sorry guys I somehow ended up in 3 games at once. I don't know how people do this. I usually only do 1 at a time.

Ok I was wrong about Keane but I still stand by my logic in thinking he was scum. My vote on AA after hammer happened bc I had the page open for a while and didn't check it.

I'm gonna reread and post more

Captain Foo posted:

Captain Foo posted:

or you're not paying attention and trying to make up points that don't require the game state to matter to be true

Retro Futurist posted:

DB is also scum. Not sure about moat, kind of cooled on him

merk posted:

##vote Hal

Day 1 (MOTIVE: Setup an AA lynch (as an alternative to Anon), but do it in a way where you aren't implicated in any way)

• Hey merk, what do you think of an AA lynch?
  
• Lightly prod the AA case
  
• Never vote AA until you have to because o deadline
  

Day 2 (MOTIVE: Talk around cases instead of actually engaging them)

• Stop voting Asiina! Reasons: zero
  
• Engage in discussions around cases that don't make you give alignment calls: Another example; and Another example.
  
• When you do talk about alignment, make it worthless.
  

Hal Incandenza posted:

That’s a pretty strong reaction to someone saying they are a little suspicious of someone else.

Hal Incandenza posted:

It’s just seems overly dismissive

Hal Incandenza posted:

If I haven’t been investigated yet I’m sure I will be

Hal Incandenza posted:

Ha I made the same wrong assumption that she thunderdomed merk too at first.

I'm very torn on merk right now, I thought he was being fairly scummy in his attack on Asiina which seemed very flimsy, but on the other hand his reversal reads pretty town to me. I'm inclined to leave him alone for now though, I can usually pick up on his scum game later on and he's definitely great to have around when he's town and not tunneled.

Keane's gotten a lot more jokey this game than he has been recently which I THINK is more of a town-tell for him but a lot of people are seeing him as scum so maybe I need to wake up more (literally) and look at him harder.

Monathin posted:

I specifically mentioned there were only two people, flavor-wise, who should be taking me, as my Role PM explicitly states that I'm a massive liability on Heists. As in "about as much of a liability as scum", but vaguely implied that it could be somehow offset by the two flavor people I mentioned. (I asked Slam about this and they refused to elaborate, as is their right.)

Dancer posted:

It is implied in this that you believe those two characters to be town. Do you have good reason to believe that?

Dancer posted:

Gut thoughts: I don't like how much Dick B was looking into fluff. We've been given hard numbers for how the heist works, I am very tempted to assume that in that case, fluff is entirely irrelevant. I also think that (at least for now, before a meta has settled) both scum and town heist leaders have an incentive to pick town for their team, so I'm leaning town on the people picked (yes, this is self-serving; I can't help genuinely having this opinion).

Miller claim is obviously also shady, though I am inclined to believe that the idea of someone being detected as scum when they're not fits this theme rather well.

I also think that, personally, if I were miller and I thought someone was breadcrumbing that they had copped me, I would immediately claim miller. This way I do what I can to defend against the scum result without revealing/rolefishing the person who got the result.

Preliminary ##vote Dicky B , though I will re-assess before deadline.

Monathin posted:

Nothing concrete, but given the fact that Heists are explicitly pro-town by their design, coupled with the fact that those two characters are able to offset me being a bigger liability on heists (and therefor natively suspicious), I think it's a safe bet.

Captain Foo posted:

re: Miller claim

Yeah but that's not what happened; db "outed" rf when making his claim

Dancer posted:

I dunno the exact phrasing of your PM. Could it be an alternate explanation that you are offered as an "equalizer" for scum leaders?

As in "hey, so it sucks for you that you inherently make the heist harder to succeed, by nature of your identity, I'm willing to offer you this one way you can off-set that, if you succeed in identifying character X".

Dancer posted:

That's exactly my point. The outing of RF is an extra reason for me to be suspect of DB. I assumed that would be clear from my post.

Monathin posted:

Not likely. The paraphrase is that I make it X% more likely the heist is to fail, but those two characters are hinted as people I could run with that would make things easier.

It's a very high chance, close to Scum's native 25% chance to fail a Heist. I would find it unlikely that a Heist could succeed with someone picking me up for a job while also being Scum.

Dancer posted:

Gut thoughts: I don't like how much Dick B was looking into fluff. We've been given hard numbers for how the heist works, I am very tempted to assume that in that case, fluff is entirely irrelevant. I also think that (at least for now, before a meta has settled) both scum and town heist leaders have an incentive to pick town for their team, so I'm leaning town on the people picked (yes, this is self-serving; I can't help genuinely having this opinion).

Miller claim is obviously also shady, though I am inclined to believe that the idea of someone being detected as scum when they're not fits this theme rather well.

I also think that, personally, if I were miller and I thought someone was breadcrumbing that they had copped me, I would immediately claim miller. This way I do what I can to defend against the scum result without revealing/rolefishing the person who got the result.

Preliminary ##vote Dicky B , though I will re-assess before deadline.

Monathin posted:

So here's why I don't like the people focusing on Dicky B is because of the way Heists work.

I specifically mentioned there were only two people, flavor-wise, who should be taking me, as my Role PM explicitly states that I'm a massive liability on Heists. As in "about as much of a liability as scum", but vaguely implied that it could be somehow offset by the two flavor people I mentioned. (I asked Slam about this and they refused to elaborate, as is their right.)

We know that Heists are explicitly pro-town, because Scum carry a native -25% chance to the Heist's success.

The Heist was successful, which leads me to believe Dicky B is one of the two people I mentioned before, because they would have no reason to ring me as scum if they believed me when I said I was a liability.

Captain Foo posted:

re: Miller claim

Yeah but that's not what happened; db "outed" rf when making his claim