AnonymousNarcotics posted:

I'm gonna reread and post more

Dick Bastardly posted:

If you really want to know where my head was at, I read breadcrumbs (that you didn't intentionally leave apparently) that you are a cop (in the traditional sense, "town" cop) and that you were sure I was scum. Thus I responded with my own breadcrumbs in kind to tell you why I'm not what you probably thought I was.

Anyway, I haven't re-read a whole lot yet, but I would like to know what motivated capt foo to vote AN (not that I agree or disagree)

Hal Incandenza posted:

But would scum really want to be put in a pool of three potential scums?

Captain Foo posted:

Dick Bastardly posted:

Can confirm. I'm Alan.

Monathin posted:

I am going to assume, based on my own role, that your Miller claim is due to suspicions because you have "friends" out-of-state you can call on to help you?

Dick Bastardly posted:

however I do have connections outside LA that can aid us in our heisty endeavors

Asiina posted:

If I were scum, I would not put any of my scumbros in the heist. Whatever bonus town might get from a heist succeeding is definitely better than casting suspicion on my teammates.

If the heists fail I don't think it will be because of the members of the heist.

b-minus1 posted:

would like you to clarify what you mean here

Asiina posted:

If I were scum, I would not put any of my scumbros in the heist. Whatever bonus town might get from a heist succeeding is definitely better than casting suspicion on my teammates.

If the heists fail I don't think it will be because of the members of the heist.

Hal Incandenza posted:

Sure if I were scum in a heist and I had a way to make the heist fail, I would be hesitant to do so because we would then know that one of the people on the heist was scum and especially in the early heists sooner or later you may well be in a position as the only unflipped player from that heist and be trapped. So I would be likely to let the heist succeed.

Unless there is something about heists I don't get and scum can influence them even if they aren't on them

Captain Foo posted:

"if i were scum" posting isn't great

Dancer posted:

There's at least one wrong assumption in your post: Even with a full town team, heists have 25% chance to fail (given the information we have).

Hal Incandenza posted:

See I admit it, I need to pay more attention! Forget my whole point then! Still it would make you more suspicious even if it isn't a smoking gun

Dancer posted:

Looking back, I am liking this case on Hal. And, looking at my own interactions with Hal:

Trying to get people to vote for me, followed by:

quiet back-pedalling so as to not be responsible if I'm bussed and flip town.
Also:

Dissuading people from investigating him.

Monathin posted:

It would, yes. Which is why I think DickyB isn't scum because I outted myself immediately as a liability.

Monathin posted:

It would, yes. Which is why I think DickyB isn't scum because I outted myself immediately as a liability.

Dancer posted:

Gut thoughts: I don't like how much Dick B was looking into fluff. We've been given hard numbers for how the heist works, I am very tempted to assume that in that case, fluff is entirely irrelevant. I also think that (at least for now, before a meta has settled) both scum and town heist leaders have an incentive to pick town for their team, so I'm leaning town on the people picked (yes, this is self-serving; I can't help genuinely having this opinion).

Miller claim is obviously also shady, though I am inclined to believe that the idea of someone being detected as scum when they're not fits this theme rather well.

I also think that, personally, if I were miller and I thought someone was breadcrumbing that they had copped me, I would immediately claim miller. This way I do what I can to defend against the scum result without revealing/rolefishing the person who got the result.

Preliminary ##vote Dicky B , though I will re-assess before deadline.

Dancer posted:

Looking back, I am liking this case on Hal. And, looking at my own interactions with Hal:

Trying to get people to vote for me, followed by:

quiet back-pedalling so as to not be responsible if I'm bussed and flip town.
Also:

Dissuading people from investigating him.


Later on:

Trying to buddy up to three different townies (2 confirmed). Revealing that "mistake" adds nothing to the conversation, other than attempting to gain my trust.

Looking back, I find this case stronger than the DB case.

##vote Hal

Hal Incandenza posted:

OK, so first off "trying to get people to vote me" is, like, called mafia man...

I don't see how calling you overly dismissive is backpedaling at all, quite the opposite.

And I don't see how saying "don't worry I get investigated all the time in games" is in any way dissuading people from investigating me whatsoever.

##vote Dancer call it an OMGUS but that case seems completely faked to me

Moatillata posted:

Not a fan of this

He spends the post defending dicky b and then throws down a vote on him

Simultaneously posturing up for an lynch at day end while preemptively setting himself for the mislynch


Also now look at this:


HE immediately posts this Hal case after Mona comes out with a good defense of Dicky B

This reads to me like someone floating the first vote and testing the water and then switching when he realizes it's not gonna fly

##vote dancer

I also have a thought gotta reread something

Dancer posted:

There were 6 minutes between Mona's post and mine. Do you really think I could've assembled the Hal post in 6 minutes? I hadn't read Mona's post when I made mine.

Moatillata posted:

This is an incredibly weird line of argument

from you posting style I assumed you had it locked and loaded and ready to go in case DB was looking bad as vote.

Dancer posted:

How is this weird?

How many times have you made a post, particularly a large one, and have the thread move under you with one or even multiple new posts? Can you not fathom that maybe that's what happened to someone else?

Dancer posted:

How is this weird?

How many times have you made a post, particularly a large one, and have the thread move under you with one or even multiple new posts? Can you not fathom that maybe that's what happened to someone else?

Moatillata posted:

nevermind mind, it doesnt make sense and the RF Dicky B narrative is consistent.

Right now in my thought palace I have cleared:

Dicky B
RF
Myself

Im gonna put Monathin as likely town

That leaves the possible s as

Dancer
Anarc
Bminus
Hal
Cap Foo

I think we should limit votes to these individuals for great success

Moatillata posted:

What is your intent with that dicky b vote? I don't normally spend all this time defending someone and then dropping a vote on them

Moatillata posted:

Also here are you are admitting to voting dicky b because the flow of the thread was going that way and then changed your vote when the flow changed.

Moatillata posted:

Also here are you are admitting to voting dicky b because the flow of the thread was going that way and then changed your vote when the flow changed.

Moatillata posted:

Also here are you are admitting to voting dicky b because the flow of the thread was going that way and then changed your vote when the flow changed.

AnonymousNarcotics posted:

I still think asiina is scum and I stand by my earlier case on her. Obviously I was wrong about her being scum buddies with Keane but that doesn't mean that she is not scum.

Re: chances of heist succeeding. It says each scum on the heist makes it 25% less likely to succeed (or something) so I just don't believe asiina saying if she were scum she wouldn't pick scumbuds to be on the heist. Not that that is saying anything about her alignment but I just don't think it's true,or at least her stated motivation makes no sense.

More to come.