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Skulls for the Skull Throne...or towers in this case. Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOz7a2oEgrQ http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/06/feeding-gods-hundreds-skulls-reveal-massive-scale-human-sacrifice-aztec-capital quote:Feeding the gods: Hundreds of skulls reveal massive scale of human sacrifice in Aztec capital quote:Some conquistadors wrote about the tzompantli and its towers, estimating that the rack alone contained 130,000 skulls. But historians and archaeologists knew the conquistadors were prone to exaggerating the horrors of human sacrifice to demonize the Mexica culture. As the centuries passed, scholars began to wonder whether the tzompantli had ever existed. quote:Much of the temple had survived to be discovered. The Mexica built it in seven phases between 1325 and 1521, each corresponding to the reign of a king. Each phase was built over and around the earlier ones, embedding the Templo Mayor's history within it like a set of Russian nesting dolls. Although the Spanish destroyed the temple's final phase, the smaller temples from earlier reigns were paved over but left relatively unscathed. Those ruins are now part of the Templo Mayor Museum. But many structures that surrounded the ruins remained hidden beneath the dense colonial city—and now, the modern megalopolis. There is a great map in the original article showing a blowup of the Templo Mayor and the estimated 36 meter long skull racks, yes that's plural, called the tzompantli. quote:Nearby, the researchers also found skulls apparently stuck together with mortar—remnants of one of the towers flanking the tzompantli, where most skulls once exhibited on its posts ended their postmortem journey. The team spent a second season, from October 2016 to June 2017, excavating the tzompantli and the tower. At its largest, the tower was nearly 5 meters in diameter and at least 1.7 meters tall. Combining the two historically documented towers and the rack, INAH archaeologists now estimate that several thousand skulls must have been displayed at a time. ... quote:Over two seasons of excavations, INAH archaeologists collected 180 mostly complete skulls from the tower as well as thousands of skull fragments. Now, those finds sit in a lab next to the Templo Mayor ruins, being painstakingly examined by a team led by INAH anthropologist Jorge Gómez Valdés. Cut marks on the skulls leave no doubt they were defleshed after death, and the decapitation technique appears clean and uniform. "[Mexica priests] had extremely impressive anatomical knowledge, which was passed down from generation to generation," Chávez Balderas says. One hell of an archaeological find.
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# ? Jun 25, 2018 09:11 |
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https://everythingskull.com
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# ? Jun 25, 2018 09:14 |
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we would be wise to worship a god given such sacrifices
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# ? Jun 25, 2018 09:15 |
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God made us in his image God must be one hardcore motherfucker since humans are so utterly barbaric, brutal and savage at our core
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# ? Jun 25, 2018 09:18 |
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I wonder if the Aztecs, walking among their mountains of skulls and thrones of blood, ever stopped and asked themselves: "Are we the bad guys?"
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# ? Jun 25, 2018 09:24 |
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I wonder if americans, who worship machines of death and conflict and are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocents ever wonder if they are the bad guys
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# ? Jun 25, 2018 09:28 |
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Skulls are cool put me on skull armor and skullracks instead of a grave tbh
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# ? Jun 25, 2018 09:29 |
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Americans know they are the bad guys but they don't reflect on it too much, because their central seat of power is called "The White House", not "The Skull Castle".
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# ? Jun 25, 2018 09:35 |
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Mooey Cow posted:Americans know they are the bad guys but they don't reflect on it too much, because their central seat of power is called "The White House", not "The Skull Castle". he'd probably get more votes with that name
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# ? Jun 25, 2018 09:45 |
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Fartbox posted:God made us in his image Pretty much every non-Abrahamic religion knows this
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# ? Jun 25, 2018 09:45 |
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Even they knew it to begin with
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# ? Jun 25, 2018 10:10 |
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Cortez did nothing wrong
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# ? Jun 25, 2018 10:18 |
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That skull rack really tied the room together
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# ? Jun 25, 2018 10:30 |
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skeletons are cool here's a pic of a bunch of rotting buffalo skulls i took recently they let the elements eat away the flesh and hair and then wash / preserve the skulls and sell 'em for a few hundred bucks a pop
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# ? Jun 25, 2018 10:54 |
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Cartels just continuing a proud tradition.
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# ? Jun 25, 2018 13:08 |
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Moridin920 posted:Cortez did nothing wrong He killed even more people than the Aztecs were and didn’t even bother to make a cool skull thing. He even destroyed the cool skull tower that was already there. Dude sucks.
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# ? Jun 25, 2018 19:07 |
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Comrayn posted:He even destroyed the cool skull tower that was already there. what an rear end in a top hat
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# ? Jun 25, 2018 19:23 |
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Comrayn posted:He killed even more people than the Aztecs were and didn’t even bother to make a cool skull thing. He even destroyed the cool skull tower that was already there. Dude sucks. He did have a pretty slick aesthetic though I bet killing a thousand natives with like two dozen dudes and rifles/cannon feels badass as gently caress bro
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# ? Jun 25, 2018 21:42 |
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Maybe their war god just sucks lol For real though have you seen some of the skull churches in Europe? Way more metal than a tower of crumbling bones. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Jun 25, 2018 |
# ? Jun 25, 2018 21:43 |
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Imho it's wrong to judge a religion on the acts of a tiny minority of its believers
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# ? Jun 25, 2018 22:07 |
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Moridin920 posted:For real though have you seen some of the skull churches in Europe? Way more metal than a tower of crumbling bones. Those skeletons died of natural causes though. They were often turned into decoration to make room for more skeletons even.
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# ? Jun 25, 2018 22:16 |
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I concede conquistadors had a dope style but their crimes against skulls remain.
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# ? Jun 25, 2018 22:23 |
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Mooey Cow posted:I wonder if the Aztecs, walking among their mountains of skulls and thrones of blood, ever stopped and asked themselves: "Are we the bad guys?" Honestly, it seems that yeah, kind of? https://www.britannica.com/topic/Quetzalcoatl posted:One important body of myths describes Quetzalcóatl as the priest-king of Tula, the capital of the Toltecs. He never offered human victims, only snakes, birds, and butterflies. But the god of the night sky, Tezcatlipoca, expelled him from Tula by performing feats of black magic. Quetzalcóatl wandered down to the coast of the “divine water” (the Atlantic Ocean) and then immolated himself on a pyre, emerging as the planet Venus. According to another version, he embarked upon a raft made of snakes and disappeared beyond the eastern horizon. Tezcatlipoca (or the Black Tezcatlipoca, since Quetzalcoatl is also called the White Tezcatlipoca) was the chief Aztec God, and the God that absolutely loved dead humans. Quetzacoatl was the nice god of knowledge and healing and life-giving. They created humans together. But Tezcatlipoca eventually betrayed him and that led to his death. Saying "yeah, the Aztecs basically worshiped the clear-cut villain of their own pantheon" is an oversimplification but seems pretty close to the truth.
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# ? Jun 25, 2018 22:40 |
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Aztec religion is as gently caress. Where do I sign up?
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# ? Jun 26, 2018 00:05 |
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I remember hearing that the Aztec religion used to be different before a religious/political surge resulted in Huitzilopochtli (the war god) getting instated as the state major god and older religious texts saying otherwise being burnt. Also heard that the conquistadors got help from the Aztec's neighbors/enemies, because it turned out they all kinda thought the Aztecs, with their capturing of smaller cultures and human sacrifices, were kinda dicks.
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# ? Jun 26, 2018 00:20 |
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EagerSleeper posted:Also heard that the conquistadors got help from the Aztec's neighbors/enemies, because it turned out they all kinda thought the Aztecs, with their capturing of smaller cultures and human sacrifices, were kinda dicks. Yeah being neighbors to the Aztec meant being a constant state of war since capturing slaves was a way for Aztecs to advance in society. So they had a big motivation to throw in their lot with a foreign invader and Cortez would have failed without this support.
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# ? Jun 26, 2018 00:32 |
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Mooey Cow posted:I wonder if the Aztecs, walking among their mountains of skulls and thrones of blood, ever stopped and asked themselves: "Are we the bad guys?" Why would they, sacrifice was considered an honorable thing They werent thinking "yeah, gonna rip tge poo poo out of that heart, fuckin dinkleburgs", the sacrificed were (as per their religion) delaying the end of the world
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# ? Jun 26, 2018 00:49 |
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If I recall correctly, the conquistadors were most threatened by Aztec slingers, as their projectile were much more effective against steel armor than obsidian arrows and swords (which were mostly useless). A stone or bullet could break bones even if it didn’t penetrate. It didn’t hurt that slingers in that era probably had a longer effective range than firearms. Rocks and leather are OP.
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# ? Jun 26, 2018 00:52 |
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If you read between the lines there's some pretty interesting political manuevering in aztec religion; Their society likely did not start out as hostile warmongerers, and instead fashioned themselves as balanced intellectuals (the period of worshipping Quetz and Huitz representing the sophistication and barbarism they were capable of) At some point in time a former leader must have aggressively asserted himself over the nation and steered society towards that of a sustained war machine via progressing the religious story (Huitz/barbarism kills Quetz/intellectualism, he is replaced with the god of rain, likely to appeal to lower class farmers) and burning texts proposing otherwise By the time the conquistadors arrived, aztec society was likely aware or remorseful of their deeds, as a result aztec elite had further progressed the story in that Huitz now demanded sacrifices to not end the world, and hell if I, Dave Aztec, am gonna rip my heart out Basically they had their equivalent of a Ronald Raegan or Cheney reshape society ala our own fanatical worship of soldiers and peacekeeping, and they only fell because conquistadors had activated Cheat Mode (disease and armor). We'd probably be fellating soldiers and bloodlust hardcore if our society hadn't already been hyper divided. Also the internet. Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Jun 26, 2018 |
# ? Jun 26, 2018 01:04 |
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IIRC, part of the human sacrifice ritual for Aztecs was having the person sacrificed live as if the reincarnation of a god. They'd basically live the high life for a year and then get killed in order to keep the world going. Aztecs were hardcore, much like their whistles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGQ1x5r-LCQ
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# ? Jun 26, 2018 01:16 |
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Fartbox posted:I wonder if americans, who worship machines of death and conflict and are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocents ever wonder if they are the bad guys The worst part about being a cog in a massive civilization loving engine of death is we don't even get a cool mountain of skulls. If we're going to be evil we should live it up.
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# ? Jun 26, 2018 02:29 |
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Those images own. It's to the max.
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# ? Jun 26, 2018 05:08 |
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I made a skull shrine in the military. I got in trouble.
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# ? Jun 26, 2018 05:22 |
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I wonder if the Skeletor, walking among their castle of skulls and thrones of blood, ever stopped and asked themselves: "Am I the bad guy?"
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# ? Jun 26, 2018 06:24 |
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Moridin920 posted:He did have a pretty slick aesthetic though Smallpox did the hard work for him.
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# ? Jun 26, 2018 07:29 |
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I like the Aztecs. They're neato.
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# ? Jun 26, 2018 07:32 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LB91kD0Z28
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# ? Jun 26, 2018 07:40 |
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mazzi Chart Czar posted:I wonder if the Skeletor, walking among their castle of skulls and thrones of blood, ever stopped and asked themselves: "Am I the bad guy?" Skeletor wishes he had a sweet skull castle. Really it is the sorceress and heman who are the wicked ones, repressing those on the margins of society like the intellectually disabled beastman and that green swamp dude (Irish?!?).
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# ? Jun 26, 2018 08:06 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Pretty much every non-Abrahamic religion knows this My man have you even read the Old Testament? God is one evil fucker in that book. Anyway if my government was spending this many resources slaughtering people and building garish monuments out of their body parts I'd probably want people to vote differently. Might even do some activism on weekends.
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Tired but strong.
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