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Max
Nov 30, 2002



Hey beet you've had some time to read day 1 what do you think? Reminder MMT replaced out so you do have that as a disadvantage when it comes to not looking scummy.

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Max
Nov 30, 2002



Also I feel confident Anpu is town at his point so lol at that dancer Post.

Max
Nov 30, 2002



Who was AA suss on?

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002



Max posted:

Hey beet you've had some time to read day 1 what do you think? Reminder MMT replaced out so you do have that as a disadvantage when it comes to not looking scummy.

I read most of it yesterday, then went and got drunk last night. Now I'm working so I'd like to be able to go back over it again at a computer before I lumpen otherwise I'll get accused of just throwing out names with no Harvard style citations and bibliography.

Anpu
Jun 26, 2018

I have opened your two eyes. I have opened your mouth with the instruments of Anpu...

Moatillata posted:

Jesus Christ anpu is literally just huffing his own farts to climax at this point.

Moatillata posted:

Also lol flerp you chose to be a redirector as townie in shine 2

Beet coming in and pontificating on bus theory makes me feel no better because he had no reads on the game or it's players

I think mmt was scum and beet is her scum replacement

##vote beet

These posts are interesting together. You insult me but you agree with me?

Anpu
Jun 26, 2018

I have opened your two eyes. I have opened your mouth with the instruments of Anpu...

Beetphyxious posted:

I read most of it yesterday, then went and got drunk last night. Now I'm working so I'd like to be able to go back over it again at a computer before I lumpen [b{otherwise I'll get accused of just throwing out names with no Harvard style citations and bibliography.[/b]

You seem overly self conscious not about your content but about appearing suspicious.

Moatillata
Dec 13, 2006

Maintain.


Anpu posted:

These posts are interesting together. You insult me but you agree with me?

:cheers:

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002



:sigh:

No it was a joke callback to max hounding someone on day 1 for posting theories without a bunch of quotes to back it up.

Max
Nov 30, 2002



Just post any opinion about anyone

Max
Nov 30, 2002



Then assume Iíll belligerently ask ďwhy?Ē And follow up with that reason.

Moatillata
Dec 13, 2006

Maintain.


Max posted:

Just post any opinion about anyone

Anpu posts like he was read the MLA handbook as his bedtime stories as a child

Atomic Soda
Jun 8, 2005

drink this baby

Moatillata posted:

How's Canada?

Everything you ever dreamed of?

it was lovely, but now i miss my family. a few years from now i may visit again.

i don't know why i bother asking anpu questions tbh :/

*sulkily pets rat*


Max posted:

Who was AA suss on?

slam and me early on but then he read slam as town. later anpu/mmt

he challenged some peeps also but i'm not reading too much into these.

he seemed to be having such fun this game :/

Anpu
Jun 26, 2018

I have opened your two eyes. I have opened your mouth with the instruments of Anpu...

Moatillata posted:

Anpu posts like he was read the MLA handbook as his bedtime stories as a child

MLA?

Atomic Soda posted:


i don't know why i bother asking anpu questions tbh :/

*sulkily pets rat*


Did I miss something? I thought we had answered each other throughly.

Atomic Soda
Jun 8, 2005

drink this baby

Atomic Soda posted:

i ask alot of questions as town, more content for the superstars i hope. i try not to be ashamed of my stupidity and just go for it!

can i ask why you thought i asked you that question, given you thought my real reasons were unfathomable.

what did you think about this slamburger post, given he raised buddying also?


(also thankyou but you are wrong. nice persona5 game btw)

can you please repeat the question you'd like me to answer. is it this?


cause this would be a weird reason to call me "hugely evasive and defensive"

tho i'll add to my flaws that i tend to focus my early energies on people who case me when i'm town, cause i only know my alignment. i've been on slam from pretty early on, but maybe i'd buy defensive : )

but hugely evasive, no.

how would you answer the question you posed to me, if this is it? cause i'm at a loss. i'd choose to fix them and be a mafia superstar? i'd keep playing and try to get better?

let me know if you're talking about something else, got a little while left till boarding then i'm in the air for 15 and a half hours.

didn't see an answer to this post, apologies if i missed it

also this

Atomic Soda posted:

are you able to give more info now?


why did you suspect aa of having been bus driven? seems specific.

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002



Lunch break.

My Apnu grab bag says that they seem to be breadcrumbing badly with the emphasised words, the capitalisation of certain words, etc. I raised this before and asked and received a response that yes, they are being very considered about what they post. (Which carefully constructed posts can be a scum tell. So I don't know if english is their second language or they really want to communicate something to someone else in the thread. If it's the latter more power to them. If it's just breadcrumbing, well, i'm always suss on people who feel the need to construct a narrative they can fall back on.

I also don't like the overt buddying up to you. (You didn't mind though and think they're town so it's either your first mafia game and you've been seduced by someone agreeing with you or there's behind the scene poo poo happening, whether meta or in game or whatever. Pretty positive it's not the first :)) Back to ampu persistence to frame anything i say as scummy is counter productive.

Max. Well I've already started talking about you so your next. I felt like max controlled conversation a lot in day one, but I may be remembering that wrong because I've said in a previous game that their avatar sticks out to me and I therefore read their posts in a particular way. This game it's coming off condescending, especially with your demands that people respond a particular way (hence my call back).

So in light of yours and anous angling today,
: If you guys thought mmt was scum, why didn't you lynch them? Town has lost a day by that and now you're dragging it out onto a second and expecting me to defend someone else's meta. Saying that 'its not fair to lynch someone who is being replaced' is dumb so whoever said that yesterday that's just bad reasoning. If you're town and you think someone is scum you vote for them.

Moatilita is tunneling on me so my above point stands for them too. I came into this game eyes open so if you're gonna try lynch me based on mmt play (or lack thereof), just don't pretend it's for any other reason. So jumping on apnu's bus driver confrontation argument is just bloody lazy.

Slam burgers game was a boring read but it might have been fun at the time if I was Involved. Was it an unecessary distraction and masterminded by scum like someone pointed out? (I'll have to lookup who said that later because it was dumb) not really, no. Anything that generates content is good, however the post hoc reasoning came across terrible.

B-minus1 I'd like them to write more than a sentence, consistently. They seem to be quite content piping in from the peanut gallery with comments here and there, but not much full of susbstance. Not super happy with that posting and I'd be willing to vote them.

Ice Phoenix has just as many posts playing the mini game as they don't, which is sort of lgiht on content however they give more reads than B-minus1 especially on TNL who I want to do next but I'm out of time for now.

I've killed most of my lunch break rescanning the thread and barely done half the players, and barely touched on some solid opinions. So I'll do that and the rest later.

Moatillata
Dec 13, 2006

Maintain.


Anpu posted:

Did I miss something? I thought we had answered each other throughly.

He said after finishing intercourse

Anpu
Jun 26, 2018

I have opened your two eyes. I have opened your mouth with the instruments of Anpu...

Atomic Soda posted:

didn't see an answer to this post, apologies if i missed it

also this

No, happy to go through this.

1) I honestly thought that was RP flavour, maybe something to do with your character being betrayed in the past. This is the trouble in RP heavy situations, it can be hard to gauge what is and isnít relevant.

2) That post has a few things in it, but given Iím not sure about Slamburger I donít know how to feel about it. I donít like the way it offers up the answer itís looking for; in making enquiries I think this does more harm than good. I tend to think of it as the behaviour of scum looking for cases to join, but I didnít think Slamburger was scum so again, didnít know what to think.

3) My issue with your answer was your first one was direct but very loose and noncommittal, the follow up was done entirely in an RP very loose, talking to yourself and (to my mind) avoiding directly answering the question. It made me think of scum trying to avoid a lie detector role or something similar.

4) I would answer it by listing what youíre good at during the day, what your judgement is like during the night, your weaknesses during the day, your weaknesses in night actions.

5) I have very much achieved in part of what I set out to do. More information is unwise but everything has happened as I thought it would.

6) I didnít suspect heíd been busdriven but itís such an odd night kill choice that Iím sure I would have wasted time considering it had Max not spoken up.

I hope this helps.

Moatillata
Dec 13, 2006

Maintain.


Beetphyxious posted:

So jumping on apnu's bus driver confrontation argument is just bloody lazy.

It's true i am lazy

Dancer
May 23, 2011



##vote bee

Your day 1 posting was bad ("haha I went too far my bad") and now it's getting worse. I am open to moving my vote later, but for now this is a good place to park it.

Monathin
Sep 1, 2011


Dancer posted:

##vote bee

Your day 1 posting was bad ("haha I went too far my bad") and now it's getting worse. I am open to moving my vote later, but for now this is a good place to park it.

I don't like this reasoning even if I hate bee's posting

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002



Beetphyxious posted:

:sigh:

No it was a joke callback to max hounding someone on day 1 for posting theories without a bunch of quotes to back it up.

lol on my read back that person was you anpu. christ your posting on day 1 was bad and if i was here i would have been pushing hard for your lynch.

Monathin
Sep 1, 2011


Beetphyxious posted:

lol on my read back that person was you anpu. christ your posting on day 1 was bad and if i was here i would have been pushing hard for your lynch.

to be honest the fact anpu claimed a PR to avoid being duned and scum didn't kill them is mad fishy to me, personally

Anpu
Jun 26, 2018

I have opened your two eyes. I have opened your mouth with the instruments of Anpu...

Beetphyxious posted:

lol on my read back that person was you anpu. christ your posting on day 1 was bad and if i was here i would have been pushing hard for your lynch.

Thatís doesnít surprise me, considering the likelihood that you are scum.


Monathin posted:

to be honest the fact anpu claimed a PR to avoid being duned and scum didn't kill them is mad fishy to me, personally

The rapid timing of this post and the foolishness of the thought behind it makes this seem very coordinated with Beetphyxious. I do not Trust Monathin.

##vote Beetphyxious

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002



Max posted:

Who was AA suss on?

Mainly slam burger but then anpu far above anyone else.

slam burger

Anomalous Amalgam posted:

I think Slamburger's game, fun as it is, muddles the thread in a way that buys them town credibility without doing anything town oriented and I would comfortably rest a vote there given that there's been nothing else d1, but roleplaying and mini games.

Again, phenomenal minigame Slam, but if it came to it, I'd dunk you.

Anomalous Amalgam posted:

Your case is terrrrible.

##unvote
##vote Slamburger
...
Using your own mini-game as a mechanical test for alignment based on subjective behaviors is really bad. If
...
The roleplaying, the game, all flavor, it's garbage.

anpu

Anomalous Amalgam posted:

##vote anpu

You look like overextending scum

Sorry, not sorry.

Anomalous Amalgam posted:

Eh, I mean anpu failed to understand my argument against slam... players not understanding me is nothing new, but when I clarify he still takes it as an act of hypocrisy.

He's quick to assume in flustered just like I feel moat is quick to paint frustrated newbie town on him.

People color text with emotions that probably aren't there so without delving into that, I'll stick to what's been presented.

Slam makes a fun game to liven up jokephase.

While I don't think he meant for it to be a scum hunting tool. I do believe he genuinely thought we'd get good reads from it, and he probably did...

I just feel like the game is something that benefited him for his reasons and was just entertainment for the rest of us.

My first vote on slam was probably the only vote with any real suspicion behind it. The rest were challenging players.

I feel like slam was being weird about the utility of it, and is town.

I feel like anpu has some unclear buckshot suspicion, again not an outright scum tell... it does make me wary though.

For d1. So far I'd vote anpu, if it came to it, even with belief in slam, I'd vote them just to clear the air completely.

:shrug:

Anomalous Amalgam posted:

Hmm I'll be fine with anpu or mmt.

I feel like anpu tells us more

he also wasn't the only one suss on anpu, so was monathin, illegaly sober and you.

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002



Anpu posted:

Thatís doesnít surprise me, considering the likelihood that you are scum.


The rapid timing of this post and the foolishness of the thought behind it makes this seem very coordinated with Beetphyxious. I do not Trust Monathin.

##vote Beetphyxious

you're pretty dense. i told you i'd be back later when i finished work. here i am now doing posts.

but seriously, for someone who has played 'back in the day' you really need to stop making such bad logical assumptions. first it was this assumption than anyone implying you're not town is wrong, scummy and we should take this at face value. sorry, that's not how mafia works, you did that twice.

Anpu posted:

Also I donít buy Slamís claim that his game was designed as a scum spotting tool, especially in the light of his criteria for spotting scum highlighted myself, a town player. This feels more like a back-pedalled justification after being accused of wasting time.

Anpu posted:

Iím both busy and phone posting but that wasnít a memory based vague list, that was after a thorough reread. Are you interested in tunneling me because you think youíve found scum (and if so, why? Because youíre completely wrong) or did you just come here to be a prick? If itís the latter I have no interest in engaging with you.

Youíre trying to sell your excessively lazy meta-tunneling as effort and Iíd be very surprised if anyone bought into your nonsense.

now monathin and i are coordinating posts? is this the monathin you trust?

Anpu posted:

Rightly or wrongly, I trust Monathin.

Hopefully that doesnít earn me a dagger between my shoulderblades.

quote:

Monathin - I keep seesawing on this one, I find them honest but they seem muddled. Leaning town and for the moment I Trust Monathin.

i called you on this before, you've made your mind up and are scrambling to find evidence to fit. it's almost like you think i'm going to be the easiest lynch today.

i don't like your post history yesterday, your terrible reads of people and your back flipping opinions and I will continue to unpack it.

Anpu
Jun 26, 2018

I have opened your two eyes. I have opened your mouth with the instruments of Anpu...

Monathin lost my Trust very quickly.

Unpack all you want there is no dishonesty in my words. I say what I see and I see what is true.

Monathin
Sep 1, 2011


##vote anpu

Monathin
Sep 1, 2011


The fact that you're quickly associating me with Beet while trying to say I'm scum because I've been pointing out the logical fallacy in your posts.

How is what I said "foolish"? You outted a PR, which essentially painted a target on your back - the fact a kill went through regardless means you didn't bait out any protective roles (if there are, indeed, any to speak of).

Scum won't hesitate to kill anyone who claims a PR very very quickly.

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002



Anpu posted:

The list of coming forward into the Day:

Anomalous Amalgam - Basically has just focused on the scorpion game, apparently seeing both participating and not participating in it as scummy behaviours. No strong read but leaning scum if pushed.


lol, that's not what i came back here for, but what a great read.

quote:


...

B minus - almost a null read. Tunnelling on Flerp, which seems normal for them. Leaning town.


this is terrible reasoning based on meta which stuck out to me on the re-read because of you specifically attacking max for his meta read on mmt. which you are now piggy backing off.

quote:



IcePhoenix - to my mind, Ice appears to be genuinely reading the thread, analysing posts and scumhunting. I Trust IcePhoenix.


interesting that you trust him someone you've had no interaction with, nor he you. he also has a low post count and day 1

quote:


Max - I do not Trust Max. Too aggressive, too certain of uncertain things, and his targets being someone who hasnít posted and a town player shows how hollow his theatrics are.


:hmmyes:


quote:

TheNinthLayer - obviously one can hide behind roleplaying as scum, in this instance I donít think this is the case for TNL. Either way itís nice to see someone so clearly enjoying themselves. I Trust TheNinthLayer.

again you have actually no justification or reasoning behind this. you're grab list is just you randomly throwing out opinions on people to look like you're scum hunting when you were really only wasting day 1 tunneling max.

quote:


Slamburger - slamburger at this point is at best an opportunist and a coward. His game seemed like a very genuine fun thing to do, but when he was called out on it heís swam between claiming he used it (in retrospect) to try to identify scummy behaviour and capitulating outright. All I get from this is Slam is very, very interested in saving his own skin.


for this whole post i actually only came here to quote this bit, but the other bits were interesting too so i included them.

i find this bolded part rich coming from the person who was so willing to claim day 1 to avoid a lynch. it's interesting then that you've come out of the gate day 1 gunning hard for me and trying to use what was quite a normal mafia conversation as your justification. you're literally just piggy backing on the back of max's argument that you originally took him to task for.

you're now trying to suggest monathin and i are colluding because we posted at a similar time. that has to be the worst loving play by scum, ever, if that's the case and it's just too simplistic for an old hat mafia player to believe.

i think you're trying too hard because you don't want the heat to come back onto you so you're pushing what you hope is the next easiest lynch, not who you think is the scummiest, just the one that'll take the heat off you for another day and hopefully everyone will forget you were 50% of the way to a lynch on day 1 for your bad arguments.

Anpu
Jun 26, 2018

I have opened your two eyes. I have opened your mouth with the instruments of Anpu...

Your words only condemn you further. When Beetphyxious flips scum you will be close behind him now.

I do not know why scum did not kill me, but your reaction today makes me think this was the plan. Was Max trusting me a spanner in your works though?

Either way, you are Condemned.

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002



Anpu posted:

Monathin lost my Trust very quickly.

Unpack all you want there is no dishonesty in my words. I say what I see and I see what is true.

keep reading then buddy. i'll go get a beer while you catch up.

##vote anpu

Anpu
Jun 26, 2018

I have opened your two eyes. I have opened your mouth with the instruments of Anpu...

I sincerely doubt anyone believes either of your very obviously desperate flailings. I can still claim in full and I will again not be killed during the day. For people claiming to analyse my posts, you seem very focused on missing the very obvious.

I am not scum.

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002



Anpu posted:

Your words only condemn you further. When Beetphyxious flips scum you will be close behind him now.

I do not know why scum did not kill me, but your reaction today makes me think this was the plan. Was Max trusting me a spanner in your works though?

Either way, you are Condemned.

lol now you're suggesting chain lynchs.

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002



Anpu posted:

I sincerely doubt anyone believes either of your very obviously desperate flailings. I can still claim in full and I will again not be killed during the day. For people claiming to analyse my posts, you seem very focused on missing the very obvious.

I am not scum.

yeah see you say that, but again, that's not how mafia works. you are using bad logic, making bad arguments and seem to be so fully self assured in your own abilities, but not giving anyone else reason to have the same faith. sorry anpu.

Anpu
Jun 26, 2018

I have opened your two eyes. I have opened your mouth with the instruments of Anpu...

Beetphyxious posted:

yeah see you say that, but again, that's not how mafia works. you are using bad logic, making bad arguments and seem to be so fully self assured in your own abilities, but not giving anyone else reason to have the same faith. sorry anpu.

I have given people reason to trust me and will only continue to do so.

You are scared. You fear me. This much is obvious. You are desperate for me to die.

You will fail.

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002



Anpu posted:

This must be that ďinfinitum postingĒ they mentioned last game.

ouch, this was pretty funny, but totally uncalled for.

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002



Anpu posted:

I have given people reason to trust me and will only continue to do so.

You are scared. You fear me. This much is obvious. You are desperate for me to die.

You will fail.

yeah you keep saying that, yet you've also given a lot of reason for people to vote you yesterday too.

so uhh keep saying that i guess, it's working really well for you.

it's really interesting because it feels like you're role playing, and i'm postive you said something about that earlier.

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002



oh found it, but a quick aside

Anomalous Amalgam posted:

I'd be wary of people who rely on roleplay too much beyond d1.

i liked this post from earlier. TNL has been fairly solidly roleplaying, i'm always suss on it because i've been burnt in the past.

interesting thing about this:

Anpu posted:

TheNinthLayer - obviously one can hide behind roleplaying as scum, in this instance I donít think this is the case for TNL. Either way itís nice to see someone so clearly enjoying themselves. I Trust TheNinthLayer.

i said before that you're reasoning as to why you trust them is never made explicit. i then go on to see that you're getting your rp on in your speech.

what i found super duper interesting is TNL stops roleplaying and makes this post:

The Ninth Layer posted:

I do not find Anpu particularly suspicious, nor do I feel the case on him is compelling. The main complaint about him is that he has been wishy washy, but in the first round of the game that's not too unusual, we are all still getting the measure of each other.

so you trust them, don't have a reason why even after pointing out scum can hide by role playing and then tnl comes out to bat for you too?

interesting

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002



anyhow i've driven home my point on anpu being dodgy. that last post brings me onto someone else i was getting suss on but it's not a great case beyond something anpu already drew attention to and that's the ninths layers role playing. i guess it's a wait and watch to see how they go into day 2, but if they do keep it up i'm keeping with AA's advice

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hambeet
Sep 13, 2002



oh to add to my earlier read on b-minus, anpu said 'leaning town' and later on b-minus wanted to +1 that cancelling himself out saying the lumpen post seemed sincere. this is after drive by posting all day.

love to see more from b-minus because they're jerking my gerkin at the moment (though not as much as anpu)

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