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Harold Fjord
Jan 3, 2004



Mutanity is officially a nation and the drugs are the chief export. Mutants arr immortal.

The books are drat good to boot.

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Codependent Poster
Oct 20, 2003




Doctor Spaceman posted:

At the start of Hickman's run all mutants have moved to Krakoa and set up their own country and have given humanity various superdrugs like a universal antibiotic and a lifespan extender.

It's very much a power-play with the implication being that they can cause massive destruction as well if the relationship goes sour.

I don't think it's about causing massive destruction. They're giving countries incentives to not attack them like what always happens when mutants gather in one place by making a deal to give them stuff that will improve their lives in exchange for recognizing them and agreeing to not attack. They're using the drugs to get themselves a seat at the table. Then once they're in, they can cause massive economic ruin if countries reneg on the deal and attack them.

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002

Don't fuckle with Shuckle(s)

Like that other Shuckle, but different.


Someone post the Magneto speech. Basically mutants figured out the best way to fight humanity is capitalism.

Open Marriage Night
Sep 18, 2009

"Do you want to talk to a spider, Peter?"









EDIT: X-Men #4. This is like the casino issue of Hickmanís Avengers where you can read it completely divorced from the rest of the series and still have a great time.

Open Marriage Night fucked around with this message at 22:37 on May 4, 2020

BrianWilly
Apr 24, 2007

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

Dawgstar posted:

Having a magic cure for COVID would no doubt go down almost as well as the Wakandans having the cure for cancer so I hope they just ignore it.
I joked earlier about the magic mutant drugs, but the cure isn't actually the problem; it's a treatable virus in the first place (insofar as the treatment is "wait"). The problem is, how do you prevent the virus from spreading when it's so easy and also asymptomatic, how do you efficiently distribute the cure to the literal specific billions who need it, how do you work with something as inept as [dramatic pause] the US government to be able to do the above things, who is going to do the above things when you treat your essential workers like poo poo and pay them poo poo, and then combine all of the above with an entire sizable demographic who are actively undoing everything you just did by flaunting quarantine because they want haircuts and to gently caress over the libs.

There's a reason it spread and persisted so easily here where it's been manageable elsewhere. These are all serious issues we encounter in real life that wouldn't go away just from a magic cure, and actually do play into the themes of some of these books. I can absolutely see Krakoa or Wakanda or even the FF giving drugs to the US, but its healthcare system is so hosed up that this doesn't actually solve the problem.

I mean. In theory.

Lurdiak
Feb 25, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Dawgstar posted:

Having a magic cure for COVID would no doubt go down almost as well as the Wakandans having the cure for cancer so I hope they just ignore it.

The longer it goes on and the more it impacts our society, the weirder it's gonna be if they ignore it.

Skwirl
May 13, 2007

The 'blood babe with the silicone chest, 200-dollar haircut, and a closet full of the latest fashions.

Open Marriage Night posted:

They’re still helping millions upon millions of people. They’re just not eliminating cancer or giving everyone super powers.

I meant help with COVID 19 specifically, but somehow left that part out.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017



Lurdiak posted:

The longer it goes on and the more it impacts our society, the weirder it's gonna be if they ignore it.

It would feel weird to read a comic when the reader has been negatively impacted by the virus, perhaps by having had to stay in the hospital or watching their place of business go under or even losing somebody to it and then read how Sauron decided he wanted to cure the coronavirus AND turn people into dinosaurs or any other super-science solution.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003

Get running
Start pumping your bunions, I'm coming
I'm the dumbest, who flamethrow your function to Funyons
Flame your crew quicker than Trump fucks his youngest
Now face the flame fuckers your fame and fate's done with



I honestly have zero idea how they can bring it into comics without just getting at "why haven't Reed/Krakoa/Doom/whoever immediately cured it" territory. I will also admit I'm not particularly creative, but unless they just go straight to Analogue Super-Virus, it just doesn't really seem like it would work too well.

IUG
Jul 14, 2007

Without me, there is no mission.
I am the mission!


Let them come up with a cure, but also have clinics trails, animal testing, human testing, etc, making it a non-instant cure.

You wouldn't want to put out a test that mutates whoever takes it. (Note to self: Villian who taints or switches the cure for something that does the mutations to discredit the hero?)

MorningMoon
Dec 29, 2013

Goons Steal?
No Dignity!



Peter beats up Richards until he gives him the cure that hasn't been fully tested yet, and two issues later Aunt May is the new Captain Universe again.

Lord_Hambrose
Nov 21, 2008

*a foul hooting fills the air*



Endless Mike posted:

I honestly have zero idea how they can bring it into comics without just getting at "why haven't Reed/Krakoa/Doom/whoever immediately cured it" territory. I will also admit I'm not particularly creative, but unless they just go straight to Analogue Super-Virus, it just doesn't really seem like it would work too well.

Spider-man is going to catch it stopping a mugger and it will end with him having to be put on a ventilator. What else is there to do?

They will absolutely have to do a 9/11 style commemorative issue, and some books dealing with people having hardships related to it will definitely have some potential to be interesting. All in all though Covid 19 is too boring in a super hero world. Something where most sufferers have limited/no symptoms and most people don't ultimately have it at all is not thrilling reading. They can't use super science to cure it because of the devastating real death toll much like Captain Marvel will never get to come back for real because cancer is a real terrible thing to have died of.

I just expect more masks in crowd shots.

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006



If the virus affects 616 America the way it affects the real one does that mean Trump is President in the comics?

BrianWilly
Apr 24, 2007

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

IUG posted:

Let them come up with a cure, but also have clinics trails, animal testing, human testing, etc, making it a non-instant cure.
This would be the realistic concept, yes. We can simply establish that the virus was a minimized issue in the Marvel universe, but a persistent issue nonetheless.

I mean, again: unless the cure they come up with is "Reed presses a button on a machine, ionizing the entire planet's atmosphere and oceans to destroy all COVID-19 instantly," then the problem is not actually solved. And because he, in canon, has not done that for stuff like cancer or HIV, we can easily conceive that something on that scale is just not achievable for him.

So what we're left with is that a cure could exist, but it has to go through testing and trials -- how does it effect people of different age ranges? Different demographics? Different preexisting medical conditions? -- which would take time, and then having to work through the modern healthcare system to provide this treatment to...[checks notes]...literally everyone on the planet. All the while the heroes would have to deal with interference from supervillains wanting to profit from the situation or, heck even just regular villains doing so. Would it be hard to believe that actual governments would rather have their own people sick and quarantined as long as it means they get to stick it to the mutants? The Wakandans?

There's a lot of valid stories that could come from this, if done right, and I think it deserves to be scrutinized instead of brushed off. I can imagine Al Ewing having a lot to say, for instance, in the pages of Hulk or Valkyrie.

Binary Badger
Oct 11, 2005

Trolling Link for a decade



I'd be willing to bet they just use it like they used Scourge, they'll off some minor super villains that were lovely in the first place (Ringer, Turner D. Century, whoever the current Stilt-Man or Stilt-Woman is) and then have someone else take over their roles like they were crappy franchises..


I see this as Magneto being so ridiculously bored and in control of his powers that he now chooses to channel his power through seemingly harmless household utensils. He then proceeds to take down the Rhino using nothing but a bent paper clip.

Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 14:10 on May 5, 2020

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company


MorningMoon posted:

Peter beats up Richards until he gives him the cure that hasn't been fully tested yet, and two issues later Aunt May is the new Captain Universe Golden Oldie again.

Much better

Skwirl
May 13, 2007

The 'blood babe with the silicone chest, 200-dollar haircut, and a closet full of the latest fashions.

Lobok posted:

If the virus affects 616 America the way it affects the real one does that mean Trump is President in the comics?

The President is usually whoever the actual president is. Which means Obama was the one who put Norman Osborne in charge of national security.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

There were...
ABSOLUTELY NO CONSEQUENCES.



Skwirl posted:

The President is usually whoever the actual president is. Which means Obama was the one who put Norman Osborne in charge of national security.

Actually I think there was an issue of Thunderbolts where Obama more-or-less says to Norman's face it was done by W on his way out of the door, which sorta made sense with the publication dates at the time.

Although now due to sliding timescale, technically now he did.

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006



Skwirl posted:

The President is usually whoever the actual president is. Which means Obama was the one who put Norman Osborne in charge of national security.

By default it's usually good to assume that but I get the sense it has not been outright confirmed yet? He definitely hasn't made an appearance like Obama did. That would have made the headlines.

Open Marriage Night
Sep 18, 2009

"Do you want to talk to a spider, Peter?"

They usually shadow the presidents face, but itís varying degrees of obvious in who it is supposed to be. I donít know how often theyíve done it with Trump though. Not many writers want to put him in their book because the villain of the story would look like the lesser evil.

Harold Fjord
Jan 3, 2004



Open Marriage Night posted:

They usually shadow the presidents face, but it’s varying degrees of obvious in who it is supposed to be. I don’t know how often they’ve done it with Trump though. Not many writers want to put him in their book because the villain of the story would look like the lesser evil.

"You HAVE to vote Osborn. He's not *&@$#!"

Bananaquiter
Aug 20, 2008

Ron's not here.



Nevvy Z posted:

"You HAVE to vote Osborn. He's not *&@$#!"

He could throw me off a bridge and I'd still vote for him.

DivineCoffeeBinge
Mar 3, 2011

Spider-Man's Amazing Construction Company


Bananaquiter posted:

He could throw me off a bridge and I'd still vote for him.

real Boomer Lib energy here

Barry Convex
Sep 1, 2005

Think of the good things, Pim! The good things!

Like Jesus, candy, and crackerjacks! Ice cream and cake and lots o'laffs!
Grandma, Grandpa, and Uncle Joe! Larry, Curly, and brother Moe!


Marvel is trimming their COVID retail schedule by releasing single issues of their lower-selling books as digital exclusives

https://www.comicsbeat.com/marvel-g...-single-issues/

Wednesday, May 13:
ANT-MAN #4
AVENGERS OF THE WASTELANDS #4
GHOST-SPIDER #9
RAVENCROFT #4

Wednesday, May 20:
2020 IRONHEART #1
MARVELíS SPIDER-MAN: THE BLACK CAT STRIKES #4
HAWKEYE: FREEFALL #5
STAR #4

IUG
Jul 14, 2007

Without me, there is no mission.
I am the mission!


Wow that sucks. I don't get any of those books, but they should at least finish those story arcs in print for the people who collected the first few issues.

Lord_Hambrose
Nov 21, 2008

*a foul hooting fills the air*



IUG posted:

Wow that sucks. I don't get any of those books, but they should at least finish those story arcs in print for the people who collected the first few issues.

Ant-man, no!

Still, most customers won't notice these titles vanishing except the die hard for the specific characters. I wonder why this run of Spider-Gwen just dropped like a rock in sales.

blast0rama
Aug 13, 2003

Tingly.




Lord_Hambrose posted:

Ant-man, no!

Still, most customers won't notice these titles vanishing except the die hard for the specific characters. I wonder why this run of Spider-Gwen just dropped like a rock in sales.

Ghost-Spider is a weird name, maybe?

Lord_Hambrose
Nov 21, 2008

*a foul hooting fills the air*



Yeah, it definitely didn't help but I am still surprised. I think there being such a vast number of Spider books didn't help though.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

There were...
ABSOLUTELY NO CONSEQUENCES.



They've also put out another bunch of free books.

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...


Skwirl posted:

The President is usually whoever the actual president is. Which means Obama was the one who put Norman Osborne in charge of national security.

They just need to use this guy.

https://youtu.be/HSS_IzRzdnU

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017



Lord_Hambrose posted:

Yeah, it definitely didn't help but I am still surprised. I think there being such a vast number of Spider books didn't help though.

It feels like they've worked hard to take away everything that made Gwen unique. Giving her kind of a clunky code name and slotting her into the 616 were probably not the best moves. Gwen's dialogue felt... punchier when Robbie Rodriguez wrote her, too.

howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters


Dawgstar posted:

It feels like they've worked hard to take away everything that made Gwen unique. Giving her kind of a clunky code name and slotting her into the 616 were probably not the best moves. Gwen's dialogue felt... punchier when Robbie Rodriguez wrote her, too.

I won't disagree that the Ghost Spider moniker is..a departure, but it's also mostly external branding since it isn't like she has a secret identity on her Earth. However, I think most of the problems, such as they are, with the current series stem from the Latour/Rodriguez run. The secret origin of Gwen's powers followed very quickly by evil Cindy Moon stripping her of them, followed in short order by Gwenom and that interminable Matt Murderock arc sapped a lot of my enthusiasm for the book. So the current iteration is much more what I was looking for, and I'm curious where McGuire is going with the current Johnny and Sue Storm arc. Plus, Miyazawa and Ig Guara are doing great work.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

This is the dance
of our people



howe_sam posted:

I won't disagree that the Ghost Spider moniker is..a departure, but it's also mostly external branding since it isn't like she has a secret identity on her Earth. However, I think most of the problems, such as they are, with the current series stem from the Latour/Rodriguez run. The secret origin of Gwen's powers followed very quickly by evil Cindy Moon stripping her of them, followed in short order by Gwenom and that interminable Matt Murderock arc sapped a lot of my enthusiasm for the book. So the current iteration is much more what I was looking for, and I'm curious where McGuire is going with the current Johnny and Sue Storm arc. Plus, Miyazawa and Ig Guara are doing great work.

I lost interest in the book around this point. I think the way it tried really hard to make Gwen's life miserable and leave her feeling powerless a lot of the time soured me on the book. And while the bios on the alternate-universe counterparts of 616 heroes was neat, it kind of felt like the stories mentioned there were more interesting than what actually happens in the story. But hearing it's got a new team working on it makes me want to give it a shot again, so thanks.

Blockhouse
Sep 7, 2014

You Win!

Yeah I think ultimately the root issue is that "what makes Gwen unique" was pretty thoroughly stomped out by her own creators by the time that run was over

Lord_Hambrose
Nov 21, 2008

*a foul hooting fills the air*



Blockhouse posted:

Yeah I think ultimately the root issue is that "what makes Gwen unique" was pretty thoroughly stomped out by her own creators by the time that run was over

I really liked the idea behind the stuff with Matt Murdock, but that arc felt so long I eventually stopped reading regularly

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

There were...
ABSOLUTELY NO CONSEQUENCES.



amigolupus posted:

I lost interest in the book around this point. I think the way it tried really hard to make Gwen's life miserable and leave her feeling powerless a lot of the time soured me on the book. And while the bios on the alternate-universe counterparts of 616 heroes was neat, it kind of felt like the stories mentioned there were more interesting than what actually happens in the story. But hearing it's got a new team working on it makes me want to give it a shot again, so thanks.

Yeah, McGuire's been pretty great.

She also correctly dunks on The Jackal for being one of the creepiest supervillains ever.

Yvonmukluk fucked around with this message at 16:33 on May 8, 2020

Skwirl
May 13, 2007

The 'blood babe with the silicone chest, 200-dollar haircut, and a closet full of the latest fashions.

Yvonmukluk posted:

Yeah, McGuire's been pretty great.

She also correctly dunks on The Jackal for being one of the creepiest supervillains ever.

The genetics teacher who clones and brainwashes teenage co-eds is creepy?

Lurdiak
Feb 25, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Yeah I don't think that was some sort of accident of writing on Gerry Conway's part.

Fereydun
May 9, 2008



oh my god savage avengers is incredible and conan being in the marvel universe and everyone having to deal with him mega owns owns owns

im glad its not sticking to the same cast but rather rotating conan with the poor idiots who get dragged into his poo poo

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Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002

Don't fuckle with Shuckle(s)

Like that other Shuckle, but different.


Fereydun posted:

oh my god savage avengers is incredible and conan being in the marvel universe and everyone having to deal with him mega owns owns owns

im glad its not sticking to the same cast but rather rotating conan with the poor idiots who get dragged into his poo poo

Conan, Strange, and Doom teaming up while Conan completely despises them for being sorcerers was loving great. The ending of the team up was perfect.

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