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JordanKai posted:https://twitter.com/Dictionarycom/status/1370223020753760258 Never heard of the Simpsons?
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Rhyno posted:Is that Northstar? Apparently so. This could just be a stealth issue of X-Factor and nobody would notice. 
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Mar 12, 2021 20:36
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He's an elf now?
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Mar 12, 2021 20:42
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Rhyno posted:He's an elf now? He's an anime boy.
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Mar 12, 2021 20:46
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Rhyno posted:He's an elf now? Don't make me remind you of that one awful John Byrne attempted retcon.
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Mar 12, 2021 20:47
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Sad exclusion of breakout hit star creation "Snowflake" and uhhh idk the other one. Whatstheirname Also like, Northstar's had elf ears longer than most of us have been alive, how are we just now noticing.
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Mar 12, 2021 20:54
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BrianWilly posted:Sad exclusion of breakout hit star creation "Snowflake" and uhhh idk the other one. Whatstheirname How dare you forget character find of the decade Safe Space.
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Mar 12, 2021 20:55
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it isnt exactly inexplicable that someone could get some pointy ears, living on an island where there are countless mutants with powers to modify bodies, and the option to request some mods every resurrection let the man elf if he wants to elf, imo
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Mar 12, 2021 20:58
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The cover looks like dogshit.
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Mar 12, 2021 21:00
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It's especially telling that DC's Pride offering has a bunch of prominent film and TV characters on the cover, and Marvel has the chick from Power Pack (and I love Julie, I do, but c'mon)
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Mar 12, 2021 21:08
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Gaz-L posted:It's especially telling that DC's Pride offering has a bunch of prominent film and TV characters on the cover, and Marvel has the chick from Power Pack (and I love Julie, I do, but c'mon) It's a positive sign and I'm not casting aspersions on that cover/one-shot/DC in 2021, but it has one character whose book was derailed repeatedly, first due to unspecified concerns and later because they wouldn't let her get married. The other two prominent characters on the cover were pretty much officially denied as a romantic couple up until about a year ago, up to and including editing out scenes of them kissing. The press release from Marvel promises stories featuring Nico and Karolina from Runaways, Wiccan/Hulkling, and Iceman, who are all characters who seem part of Marvel's MCU plans and general marketing. Both companies have made a lot of progress, both companies could stand to make a lot more, but this seems like a weird framing of the 'race' to say this is so telling.
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Mar 12, 2021 21:22
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Edge & Christian posted:Batwoman, Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy, and ??? Dreamer from Supergirl.
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Mar 12, 2021 21:37
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Squizzle posted:it isnt exactly inexplicable that someone could get some pointy ears, living on an island where there are countless mutants with powers to modify bodies, and the option to request some mods every resurrection X-Force had this recently with Quiten going through a list of all the body mods he wants each time he's been resurrected. Stuff like, making him bald his face and sides of his head so he doesn't have to shave, etc.
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Gaz-L posted:Don't make me remind you of that one awful John Byrne attempted retcon. that was Bill Mantlo. the rumor I've always heard was that he intended to write a story where Northstar had AIDS and it got shot down, so instead it turned out Northstar and Aurora's mom was an elf. Mantlo Alpha Flight is a super weird book.
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Mar 12, 2021 21:58
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Edge & Christian posted:Batwoman, Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy, and ??? So basically Batman characters are more prominent than most other characters from either company. I suppose Renee Montoya being on the cover as the Question also kind of counts, as she was in the old animated series, but has she been in any non-comics projects since she a) became the Question or b) came out?
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Endless Mike posted:She's been in multiple animated projects, the Gotham TV show, the Birds of Prey movie, and a bunch of video games since coming out (and I think many are since she became the Question), but has yet to appear as the Question as far as I can tell. She is explicitly or implicitly depicted as queer in several of those. what video games has Renee Montoya been in other than as a background character in Batman: A Telltale Series and a minor NPC in DC Universe Online
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Mar 12, 2021 22:31
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Alaois posted:what video games has Renee Montoya been in other than as a background character in Batman: A Telltale Series and a minor NPC in DC Universe Online Lego DC and the upcoming Gotham Knights
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Mar 12, 2021 22:43
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Edge & Christian posted:Batwoman, Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy, and ??? So basically Batman characters are more prominent than most other characters from either company. I suppose Renee Montoya being on the cover as the Question also kind of counts, as she was in the old animated series, but has she been in any non-comics projects since she a) became the Question or b) came out? These are all solid points, but I do think it's legitimately telling in how the two companies have decided to market themselves to the LGBTQ+ slice of the market. DC are displaying a bunch of characters that are prominent in their various non-comics ventures (ie your average person on the street would be able to go "Hey, I know Harley Quinn, and ooh, is that the Flash, they look different?"), Marvel are showing off a handful of D-listers. There's nothing stopping Marvel putting Hulking and Wiccan and Iceman and Kate Pryde and the Runaways on there, but they didn't ask the cover artist for that. Also, as noted, Montoya was in the Birds of Prey movie and was queer in it.
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Mar 12, 2021 22:52
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Gaz-L posted:These are all solid points, but I do think it's legitimately telling in how the two companies have decided to market themselves to the LGBTQ+ slice of the market. DC are displaying a bunch of characters that are prominent in their various non-comics ventures (ie your average person on the street would be able to go "Hey, I know Harley Quinn, and ooh, is that the Flash, they look different?"), Marvel are showing off a handful of D-listers. There's nothing stopping Marvel putting Hulking and Wiccan and Iceman and Kate Pryde and the Runaways on there, but they didn't ask the cover artist for that. Northstar (a D-lister on some level, sure) is also a character who's existed for over forty years and got a lot of mainstream attention for being the 'first openly gay superhero*' when he came out in 1992, and got a good amount of mainstream media attention about a decade ago when he was "the first gay superior to get married**", and is actively appearing in a Marvel comic book right now, (X-Factor, alongside Daken) unlike (to my knowledge) anyone but the three Bat-Family characters on the DC cover. I also don't want to immediately pass judgment on "they told the cover artist who they had to feature", it's entirely possible they did. If the implication is that they're trying to minimize/hide the fact that more prominent characters are LGBTQ, they probably wouldn't be including them in the interior of the book, or giving them separate "Pride Month" covers. I honestly don't think it's a particularly great cover, but I also don't think it's revealing of any sort of hidden agenda.
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Mar 12, 2021 23:14
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doing a pride cover without any trans characters lmao, reminds me of Comixology's book The Pride that sells itself on being a team of LGBTQ+ superheroes where the only character even T-adjacent is a cis drag queen kinda telling the DC had to pull a character from their tv shows to get a trans character on theirs given they unceremoniously killed Coagula forever ago
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not like marvel is doing much better, angela is on the cover but sera got shunted off into never never land
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Is Angela in any books nowadays?
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Is Angela in any books nowadays? She was in War of the Realms I think, no idea if she's in anything currently being published. No Sera (who is trans, right?) in War of the Realms. Are there any trans characters in the big two currently being published, aside from that one doctor in Immortal Hulk?
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site posted:not like marvel is doing much better, angela is on the cover but sera got shunted off into never never land Have either of them been in a book since Asgardians of the Galaxy ended?
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Does anyone know if Marvel has the movie rights to Angela? If Gaiman still owns that, or would get too big of a cut if they made an Angela movie that might be why she's permanently shunted into just cameos, though they were publishing like 3 books with Conan for awhile (maybe still are) and Disney definitely doesn't own the film rights to that.
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Blockhouse posted:Have either of them been in a book since Asgardians of the Galaxy ended? angela was in strikeforce but i can't remember when that ended compared to asguardians
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Strikeforce is after WotR and I think Asgardians ended with WotR. I live that both Marvel and DC are gonna do Pride specials, but I hope this means more work for LGBT creators and also more prominent roles for LGBT characters (though DC has an easier job with Harley and Ivy since Harley is such a big character). Who would be the most prominent trans comic book writer? I can only name Mags Visaggio and I think some (non bigoted) parts of Comics Twitter don't like her work.
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I looked into this a bit out of curiosity. Apparently Vita Ayala has announced on twitter that some of the new young mutants in... New Mutants are trans or nonbinary. I guess all of these kids first showed up in her Prisoner X series with plans to expand on them in 616. Monica Sellers here is nonbinary and has some kind of bladed arm weapon power.  This kid, Cam, is nonbinary as well, with powers I have not been able to discern. Looks kind of like just agility and leaping and stuff?  Jacob Williams is a trans man.  and finally Leonora Eng is a trans woman. Vita Ayala is both nonbinary and imo a very talented writer so I'm hopeful for all four of these characters, even if they never really become breakout hits. There are other trans Marvel characters but several of them are rooted in gross jokes or harmful stereotypes, such as the Ron Zimmerman-created Rothstein sisters or Ed Brubaker's somewhat misguided Hydra Queen. However that still leaves pretty cool and fun characters like Sera, Jessie Drake from a somewhat outdated but still fairly compelling Ann Nocenti story from 1994, Koi Boi, and Tong the adorable moloid. As for DC G. Willow Wilson's delightful The Dreaming: Waking Hours has a trans woman as one of the protagonists, a former apprentice of John Constantine named Heather After. She rules.  I should also note Aerie from Tom Taylor's recently finished Suicide Squad was nonbinary and a very fun character, Porcelain from Gail Simone's most recent (I think?) Secret Six was genderfluid, and Demon Knights eventually did establish Ystin as genderqueer or nonbinary. Ragdoll, another Gail Simone signature character, is apparently also nonbinary? Trans characters are a little more scarce. There's Alysia Yeoh, a supporting character from Gail Simone's Batgirl, a character named Susan Su from Scott Lobdell's Red Hood who seems... like an iffy move on Lobdell's part... Pado, a young trans boy from Gail Simone's Plastic Man, apparently some kind of hovering on fire lady from a recent Azrael series I have never heard of until right now, and Victoria October, a character from James Tynion's Detective Comics who becomes a Batman ally in a pretty nice little arc. How Wonderful! fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Mar 13, 2021 |
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New Mutants is really good, didn't know about those kids, but it hasn't had a ton of space for it to come up organically so I understand why the writer hasn't made it explicit to people like me who haven't read Prisoner X.
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Yeah they really are throwing a humungous cast out there from the outset which just makes me kind of cross my fingers that the queer kids get some solid screentime. It's such a fun series so far though and it handles such a large cast well.
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How Wonderful! posted:As for DC G. Willow Wilson's delightful The Dreaming: Waking Hours has a trans woman as one of the protagonists, a former apprentice of John Constantine named Heather After. She rules. This I'm calling bullshit on, not that I think Constantine would object to having a trans apprentice, just that someone could be an apprentice of John Constantine for any length of time and still be breathing.
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That cover reminded me that Daken is bi and while I guess any representation is good representation it also reminded me of all the unfortunate implications of Daken's creepy pheromone power.
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TwoPair posted:That cover reminded me that Daken is bi and while I guess any representation is good representation it also reminded me of all the unfortunate implications of Daken's creepy pheromone power. X Factor has done a lot to redeem him and make his pheromone powers less creepy, I'll see of I can find a good scan of the relevant pages. Edit, here we go   from here https://www.cbr.com/daken-pheromones-explained/ there's some other context in the article. And I think it's a serious conscious choice regarding Daken to explain him better, since you still have Empath being a sociopath in Hellions at the same time Air Skwirl fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Mar 13, 2021 |
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TwoPair posted:That cover reminded me that Daken is bi and while I guess any representation is good representation it also reminded me of all the unfortunate implications of Daken's creepy pheromone power. You should check out Leah Williams' X-Factor, she has done a really stellar job of walking back and retooling what precisely his powers do that make them a lot less creepy and a lot more interesting. Skwirl posted:This I'm calling bullshit on, not that I think Constantine would object to having a trans apprentice, just that someone could be an apprentice of John Constantine for any length of time and still be breathing. Well she's currently enmeshed in an escalating cascade of awful decisions so she's carrying on the Constantine mantle proudly.
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Skwirl posted:This I'm calling bullshit on, not that I think Constantine would object to having a trans apprentice, just that someone could be an apprentice of John Constantine for any length of time and still be breathing. Yeah I was gonna say, kinda sucks that they introduce a trans character that's going to have to die in six months cause she's friends with Constantine.
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radlum posted:Who would be the most prominent trans comic book writer? I can only name Mags Visaggio and I think some (non bigoted) parts of Comics Twitter don't like her work. Sophie Campbell, probably. Her TMNT stuff has been really good.
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Counting YA and kids comics maybe Dana SImpson or Lilah Sturges. I can also think of the great Rachel Pollack who has not written comics in some time, or Maddie Blaustein who wrote a few things for Milestone in the 90s. That's leaving out a host of webcomic people and indie creators like Annie Mok or Carta Monir. How Wonderful! fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Mar 13, 2021 |
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Sophie Campbell, probably. Her TMNT stuff has been really good. I had no idea! And I've been enjoying her TMNT stuff
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radlum posted:I had no idea! And I've been enjoying her TMNT stuff Reread the scene when the new mutant calls her parents with the knowledge of her past, and it reads a lot more heartbreaking then it already was
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Skwirl posted:And I think it's a serious conscious choice regarding Daken to explain him better, since you still have Empath being a sociopath in Hellions at the same time It reminds me of the character in Tom Taylor's Suicide Squad who could manipulate people into feeling the Six Deadly Sins. He wouldn't use lust because that was creepy.
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