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Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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site posted:

did anyone read post brubaker secret avengers? worth keeping up with even though its spencer on the book if i liked the brubaker issues?

The Spencer run is like four issues and a quarter of them stands out as maybe the worst Fear Itself tie in. Just skip to Ellis.

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Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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Edge & Christian posted:

Technically Red Sonja is loosely based on/inspired by Red Sonya, an unrelated Robert E. Howard character. From the first solo issue of Red Sonja, Marvel credited it as "featuring the heroine created by Robert E. Howard", so she was considered part of the Conan the Barbarian Intellectual Property, same as Kulan Gath and other characters Roy Thomas and company created for the Conan comics. The same thing is true of most licensed comics, from Star Wars to GI Joe to anything else, just about the only exception I can think of is Marvel still having the rights to Red Ronin despite debuting in the Godzilla comic; maybe Toho had an unusual licensing contract?


I think Marvel still has the rights to the non-Rom content from ROM (the Torpedo/Turbo armor, the Spaceknights, the Wraiths) and the the couple of characters from Micronauts that weren't toys (Bug), but they went out of their way to have Circuit Breaker show up in a book other than TRANSFORMERS first so Hasbro couldn't claim her, so it's probably down to individual contracts, yeah

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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GPTribefan posted:

That was from that weird period where nothing was really working for Marvel except for Star Wars so they just bought up every sci-fi property the could in the hopes of hitting the jackpot again. They had Godzilla, Micronauts, ROM, Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek, 2001 a Space Odyssey, Planet of the Apes, and a ton of other stuff.

And Marvel still has Machine Man! I'd love to read these deals somewhere.

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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site posted:

pissing off actual queer people to own the chuds


hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

It was all a misunderstanding, they looked at the chairman of Marvel and meant that these character were owned BY the chuds

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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nemesis_hub posted:

Has the Kyle Richmond Nighthawk ever said or done anything cool? He shows up near the end of Nicieza’s Thunderbolts that I’ve been rereading and he seems like a huge dork. He comes across like Batman without the badass or Iron Man without the charisma. And his costume is terrible, too.

he was the worst Defender, and there's a lot of competition there

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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Was reading that History Of The Marvel Universe thing and the idea that a being as old as the universe would be at the end of time like "and then World War 2 happened, and America? Did great. It was very important. This was followed by two wars they did less great at, so they get a page total, and also they're combined into a wizard jungle conflict for some reason" is very funny

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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Vulpes Vulpes posted:

And Earth-138!

Re: Musk, something I've never understood with all those Iron Man comparisons, is Musk actually a (technically) smart guy who can build things? Or is he just a rich guy who lOvEs ScIeNcE and pays people to build weird things?

he's what if the I loving love science facebook page wished to be a real boy but also that real boy had inherited blood emerald money

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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Dawgstar posted:

Knull is the new Mantis.

not until he shows up in like Justice League named "Nul" and then in say X O Manowar but called "N'll"

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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Nuh-L. Destroyed Krypton in the Earth-1 multiverse

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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Dunbar posted:

If I'm planning to read Infinity Gauntlet for the first time, what are the recommended tie-in issues? It looks like the omnibus includes 12-13 Silver Surfer issues, 6 Doctor Strange, a few Hulk, and some other assorted series. The reading order on Comic Book Herald is 50-60 issues long and seems to include more issues mainly from the lead in and follow up to the main limited series. With modern events I can usually get a feel for what tie-ins are worthwhile based on who wrote them, but I'm not sure what was going on back in the early 90s and I dunno if most of these have important story points or if they're ancillary.

It's honestly pretty self contained if I'm remembering right. The Surfer tie ins are probably the most meaningful but are ultimately about his emotional state, Dr Strange has a fight with the Silver Dagger while Adam Warlock exists nearby, the Hulk is him getting teleported to a fight with Thanos and then getting teleported back to earth but tiny. There's a ton of like Crisis On Infinite Earth style "tie ins" that are just like Spider-Man going "what's going on??" with an asterisk leading to an editor's note that says "see Infinity Gauntlet #4, natch!"

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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X-O posted:

Also this is one of the problems with starting out something by saying "I haven't watch it yet but" because the entire episode in reference deals with the Marvel Method of writing and the reason it's Slott is because he's one of the only writers that still uses it. And most of the episode is about how terrible he is at deadlines.

it's a thread, if you click through, the guy watches the whole episode and posts screencaps of like Breevort going "gee whiz this fella sucks at deadlines but god love 'em" and what have you

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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that whole era has a bunch of dangling plot threads where Claremont had like almost grudgingly ended some stuff with Inferno but then went full bore nuts with the Siege Perilous but then immediately got chased off the books because editorial decided to let Jim Lee and Rob Liefeld plot but then they both left so you've got Nicieza and Lobdell flying by the seats of their pants for a while

like clearly nobody knew what the hell Omega Red was, or what the Upstarts were doing, or if Stryfe was Cyclops' son, or what like seven eighths of the Acolytes could do, which is just the stuff the Image guys left behind, so it's not even getting into whatever Claremont's original plans for like Mr Sinister and Gambit were

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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Dawgstar posted:

Now I think about all the hullabaloo over "the Traitor" and that being Bishop's thing. Did that culminate with Gambit having been revealed to be a Marauder and leading the others to the Morlocks? I can't remember.

The traitor was Xavier. That spun out all the way to Onslaught when Jean finally recorded the message Bishop saw.

Gambit being the guy who assembled the Marauders for Sinister was like a weird half step towards what Claremont apparently originally planned, which was Gambit being Mr Sinister and both of them being a like kid from Cyclops' orphanage using his powers to create a hero and a villain, or something.

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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Rhyno posted:

Magneto held a trial for Gambit under the guise of Erik the Red in Uncanny 350. As punishment for his crimes the X-Men left Gambit to fend for himself in the antarctic.

in true X-Men fashion, Magneto is in disguise that Cyclops had originally created to pretend to be a villain three hundred issues earlier, a disguise also used by a space alien for reasons that have never been explained. Also in attendance was a character that the X-Men thought was an amnesiac Magneto but who turned out to be an amnesiac Magneto *clone*

that whole Gambit trial rules because the other X-Men there are someone who has knife wings made by Apocalypse, someone who previously had robot eyes from Mojo used to spy on the X-Men who was later Lady Mandarin, someone who put Ms Marvel in a coma while a member of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, someone who they thought was literally Magneto, and also Maggott was there, and it's still like "Gambit, working for a supervillain is unforgiveable!!"

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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might be sliding timeline stuff, too. I'm not sure when the public facing non Leonardo da Vinci arm of SHIELD even starts in the current continuity but it might be a situation where they don't want to make Spider-Man's parents be active before the magic crime wizard war in Southeast Asia or something

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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if you like Spencer and Boomerang you really oughta read Superior Foes of Spider-Man

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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more people saw him in the Netflix show than in anything Marvel's printed for like twenty years

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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Rhyno posted:

And the main reason I like the show is the majority of punisher fans hate it.

sure, I'm just saying that the character's visibility extends beyond the like rounding error number of guys who buy Savage Avengers or Event Book Tie In: War Diaries or whatever

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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yes, I agree, I'm more saying that going "when's the last time the Punisher has been in a comic" is pointless, because most of the people who are aware of the Punisher have never read a comic

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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there's honestly very few mainline Marvel stories about the Punisher that you couldn't do with Ghost Rider instead, just have him penance stare a guy in a super scary drugs gang until he feels bad about himself and you've got twenty two pages of weird crime revenge fantasy and zero milsurp porn

the only stuff you'd be missing out on is the hundredth time a super hero confronts their unwillingness to simply murder crime

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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they never do one that's Mandarin, Man Mountain Marko, and Doctor Doom so we can have a Man Mount Doom with ten rings

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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the Nocenti DD Inferno tie in stuff was great because Inferno was just everyone else behaving like they were in a Nocenti book, but the Acts of Vengeance one rules because it's Daredevil, Gorgon, Karnak, and a genetically engineered 'perfect woman' fighting a robot having a personality breakdown, which is maybe the most Nocenti thing possible that doesn't involve a demon

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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Hank mutated himself into a fur man in 1972, so he's been kind of a dope for close to half a century now

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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yeah, everybody there was a Defender at some point. But not during the previous time Dr Strange decided on who was going on a mission based on tarot cards before somehow getting replaced by Dr Druid in Secret Defenders, which is what that cover immediately reminded me of

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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Quotey posted:

Aside from X-Men, I was reading the current Doctor Doom series and Kang is great. What are the best Kang stories? I'm cool with stupid timeline stuff, straight or non serious.

Avengers Forever is a twelve issue Kang story with some Avengers in it, if you like dumb timeline nonsense and like Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe entries it absolutely rules

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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El Gallinero Gros posted:

Duggan is extremely good, it'll take some seriously interesting ideas to top his Deadpool run. I know it was collaborative with Brian Posehn but Brian left somewhat early and I kinda assumed Gerry was doing the heavy lifting.

yeah it feels like Posehn was there to pitch the like "Deadpool fights zombie presidents" parts and Duggan did the "this is a sad man with a sad life who is kinda funny in spite of it" parts

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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Gaz-L posted:

Don't make me remind you of that one awful John Byrne attempted retcon.

that was Bill Mantlo. the rumor I've always heard was that he intended to write a story where Northstar had AIDS and it got shot down, so instead it turned out Northstar and Aurora's mom was an elf. Mantlo Alpha Flight is a super weird book.

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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why does Ross, the largest Hulk, not simply eat the other five

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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the first couple issues where Hank Pym is Giant Man rule because most of the conflict is him thinking like "didn't count on -- sucking so bad -- at standing up" and then getting really dizzy and bonking his head

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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"please do not think about how you could presumably now go direct with Penguin, dear reader, for we are the devil you know"

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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Penguin services plenty of small book stores just fine, probably because they've actually had competition in their field for the last 35 years. I can't imagine it'd be worse than Diamond, but maybe they'll invent some terrible new methods of screwing up mailing periodicals

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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Geppi's going to be tweeting some truly nasty poo poo in the replies of various professional thrist traps while drowning his sorrows today, whole lot of like "u have a beautiful smile, u remind me of my mom" and "u don't remember me? come to a baseball game"

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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when I worked there Steve Geppi gave everybody at Diamond a packaged Minimate of himself for the company's anniversary and showed up at the office to autograph them

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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yeah Geppi is trying to play up the convenience of getting things that aren't comics from the same place you get comics at while also going "please do not leave me, we've been dating since high school, I'm sorry" but carefully leaving out "I'll do better" while his wife's new man is picking up her stuff in higher quality cardboard boxes shipped free

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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margin on toys is never, like, terrific but assume that anything Diamond sells that isn't an exclusive is topping out at like a middle thirties percent, and then add freight, and then consider that a comic shop is probably buying like straight up ones of things as special orders so the discount is even lower

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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Rhyno posted:

Funko aggressively pursued direct sales to shops to cut Diamond out after the Hastings fiasco a few years ago.
According to Funko most of their sales are direct to the customer.

they still directed total scrubs who wanted to buy like eleven pops across ten SKUs to start an eBay store to Diamond after the Hastings collapse though, they just hung onto the good customers

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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do you mean from like ten years ago or did they do it again

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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Soonmot posted:

It's been a bit since I read Simonson's Thor, but I think so. I think Odin's enchantment was what allowed him to look like a normal member of his race.

Odin lifted the enchantment off of Mjolnir and put it onto Stormbringer, yeah. Bill could look like a normal whatever he is and Stormbringer would turn into a cane. Horse face was a cyborg enhancement his people did to make him into a superhero in the first place, everything else was Odin being pretty chill for like forty pages in a row, or probably setting somebody else up to count as "Thor" when Ragnarok came around again, I can't remember

Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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I would honestly rather read one of Conway's endless subplots about like a Bugle reporter who is dating a werewolf than the third or fourth time DeMatteis did a psychological breakdown of a guy who is a rat

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Karma Tornado
Dec 21, 2007

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Hulk could always see Dr Strange's astral projection, too, but that's basically a ghost

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