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Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


So I've been a bit out of the loop on modern comics lately. What's this I'm hearing about Amulet, the Muslim superhero who has Muslim powers? Is that a real thing?

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Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Yeah that's why I'm asking, I heard from friends they were concerned this was gonna be an awful orientalist character but I had no idea if their concerns were based on anything other than mistrusting the industry.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


e: stupid derail

Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 11:02 on Jan 6, 2020

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


e: stupid derail

Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 11:02 on Jan 6, 2020

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Yeah sorry for the derail, editing those posts out.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


90s smaller imprint stuff is where most of the Marvel knockoffs are to be found. Especially Wolverine, there's like 50 of those. Although DC has a few knockoffs/parodies bouncing around, like Deathstroke's half-brother Wade Not-Wilson, or Bumblebee, a teen titan so obscure I had to google her name.

And of course, Aquaman is a ripoff of Namor, although both character predate their respective companies.

Happy Hippo posted:

How many Justice League knockoffs has Marvel done? Off the top of my head there's the Squadron Supreme, the alternate Earth teams from Hickman's Avengers, and whatever you're talking about in Thor (haven't read it yet).

edit; oh, and seeing as how Avengers was Marvel's response to the JL (or JS?) I guess we can throw Avengers in there technically but they they're not a 1:1 kind of knockoff a la Hyperion = Superman

The Squadron Sinister/Supreme is a dicey one because there's like 10 different versions of them, so counting them as just one instance feels a bit like cheating.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Lord_Hambrose posted:

Black Adam is 1:1 Namor. Other than switching the desert with the ocean. The pointy ears are pretty hard to ignore!

Oh yeah, I can't believe that one slipped my mind. He might not have been Namor in his original conception, but the last 20+ years of the character has just been DC using Namor and not getting sued.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


I think he's always had that.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


site posted:

so finished secret warriors last night. good to see even back in 08 hickman was using his patented interstitial matter in the first trade to lay out organizational charts and the like, shine on you crazy diamond :patriot: i think the "best" moment was the dual flashback the the howling commandos bar meetup cut with the attack on the hydra base that got most of em killed. was pretty well composed (although thats not to say the rest wasnt, hickman can apparently write some good fury based spy story, just that was a peak point for the book). i dont want to use the word "bad" because it wasnt, but i feel like if the ~ full reveal ~ at the end needed TWO issues in order for fury to monologue out his whole plan out maybe it was a tad bit overly convoluted lol.

left me craving another good fury and/or shield book tho, drat

Man I hated that book.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


site posted:

really? what didnt you like about it?

The characters and their relationships. They were all so cookie cutter written to fit in with the "lessons" and arcs that lay before them. I never felt like I was reading about real people, just plot devices and archetypes jawing at each other. The half assed one-shot Bendis wrote introducing the concept had more humanity than Hickman's entire run.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


It's almost like conditioning readers to think events are "more important" than regular stories for 30 years means they'll be less likely to buy non-event books.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Open Marriage Night posted:

Those names are worth it for how mad it’s going to make comicgaters.

Those names seem like something the comicgaters would name parody characters.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


cartoons123 posted:

Someone pointed it out, naming a black non-binary character "Snowflake" is tone-deaf, regardless of the intensions. Nearly every person I've seen talk about this has been, at best, bewilderment as to why. Especially when it's written by two cis white dudes. They need to do a rewrite of this bad

Here's my constructive criticism of how to make the pitch better:

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Those designs are not exactly getting great reactions from POC NBs, even names aside.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Nilbop posted:

I’m seriously scratching my head trying to figure out who these five designs are supposed to appeal to.

People who make their living off porn fanart?

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


They had a pretty good issue of Hawkeye dealing with Hurricane Sandy. Remember that poo poo? It left hundreds of people homeless, killed 200 more, and everyone stopped talking about it after a week.

It's not like you can't have superhero comics addressing real disasters, you just have to be careful. Don't have so many of them show up that it seems absurd that this would even be a problem for them, for one thing. And don't make someone like Superman the POV character. Make it like, Daredevil.

Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 11:06 on May 4, 2020

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Dawgstar posted:

Having a magic cure for COVID would no doubt go down almost as well as the Wakandans having the cure for cancer so I hope they just ignore it.

The longer it goes on and the more it impacts our society, the weirder it's gonna be if they ignore it.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Yeah I don't think that was some sort of accident of writing on Gerry Conway's part.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCjlic9U8Ts

Apparently I should be reading the Immortal Hulk.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


I always thought civilian identities should look like unremarkable schlubs for the most part. I don't like when I see the Avengers together in their civilian clothes and they still look like a colorful superteam with their distinct style. They shouldn't stand out in a crowd. It makes them feel more like people and less like action figures.

I mean obviously Tony Stark is always going to wear a somewhat flashy suit and Cap's never going to wear a giant baggy t-shirt that says "Juicy", but you know what I mean.

Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jun 3, 2020

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Remember when Avengers did Dark Reign, but again.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


New Avengers was definitely fun for a while. Spider-man and Wolverine sassing each other, Cap giving big speeches, Luke Cage calling people on their BS, the early integration of Sentry into the mix. But it wore out its welcome and then some.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Angry Salami posted:

Spider-Man thinks he's incredibly witty, throwing out wisecracks through his fights. His enemies just hear a guy mumbling all the time.

It's canon that Spidey's mask makes his voice unrecognizable as Peter Parker's, and the possibility that it's because it's incomprehensible remains.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


There's always at least one great tie in because so many books and creative teams get dragged into these events, but they're still overall just pointless disruption for the precious few issues of a comic many creators get to work on.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Lord_Hambrose posted:

It was also very bad, so I always suggest just starting with the first Old Man Logan volume of the ongoing rather than that mini. But yes, it did.

It'd be a lot less bad if it didn't have the incest hulks in it.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Bagley's fine on Ultimate Spidey but Immonen's art is what I always picture in my head when I think of that book.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Codependent Poster posted:

Or the X-Men show up at the end and are like "See? We loving told you. You tried to give us poo poo about the Phoenix, but noooo. So now you assholes deal with it."

That's the opposite of how that story went, but ok.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Skwirl posted:

I'd just been wondering what Ryan North had been up to since Squirrel Girl ended.

One can guess.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Gripweed posted:

But what would he have to gain by lying about being stuck in a hole?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4HTvVM3U3U

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Edge & Christian posted:

I'd argue that Matt Fraction's run on Thor (that was concurrent to Kieron Gillen's Journey into Mystery) for most of the time was fair to middling, certainly not "legendary".

What you're mostly describing is "Jason Aaron wrote eight years of good Thor books, and now Donny Cates is writing less-good ones."

Even though it had a few kinda neat bits, Fraction's Thor was shockingly bad compared to everything else he's written. I especially cannot understand what he was thinking with the way he removed Donald Blake from the story.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Vulpes Vulpes posted:

I'm more of a Satan Claw man, myself.

Edit: I know it was just joking around and I hate to sound fussy, but I would appreciate it if folks wouldn't suggest story stuff to me- if, for instance, I was working on that very thing that would kind of put me in a bind.

Does Marvel have a rule like DC does where you're not allowed to read fanfics or look at parodies in case someone accuses you of stealing their bad idea?

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


We should start posting things we don't want to happen as story suggestions.

I think it would be great if Wraith was ever in a published comic again!

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


That wasn't Slott's idea, that was JMS's pet concept, which he repeatedly backed off of because no one liked it. Slott just continued it (sometimes, when he remembered).

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Lobok posted:

Cap killed enemies during a war. Once the war was over, killing people went back to being something you only do as an absolute last resort. Half the Fantastic Four would have been killing people during the war as well but they don't do that anymore.

It's more than that, the way Cap sees himself changed drastically over time. Some guy who happens to be good at tossing a shield killing people during a war is one thing, but the living, breathing symbol of America killing people extra-judicially is another entirely.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Civil War would've been a much shorter and less dumb book if the story had actually been about registering vigilantes so they can be held accountable for their actions instead of sending everyone who has a weird gene into an extradimensional prison where they're tortured forever.

Blockhouse posted:

Government oversight over superheroes ultimately only has one story to tell and that's "the government misusing superheroes in immortal ways"

That's because states are illegitimate forms of authority that can only do wrong.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

Especially when that prison is seen as an act of aggression by the ruler of said extradimensional space and used as causus belli for a war that killed billions.

I'm sure the extradimensional prison didn't help but Annihilus' excuse for rallying the Negative Zone was that the universe was expanding into it, which isn't really anyone's fault but the fundamental laws of physics. And I say excuse because he just wanted a reason to murder everyone who's ever lived so that nothing could ever kill him, which has always been his goal.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


All Matts Are Bad.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Skwirl posted:

What about his twin brother Mike Murdock?

He's a fine upstanding fellow.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Lord_Hambrose posted:

Peter's body died during the Other and then was recreated from a mass of spiders. It was... Something.

Also one of the funniest parts of The Other was that while it was a crossover between three different titles, he only uses his stupid spiderblades in one of the three (Spectacular?). What an aggressively dumb power to give Peter Parker. I actually liked Scarlet Spider using them as it helped set him apart, but I also loved him leaving New York to go to Texas to do his own thing.

Shifting all the Other bullshit onto Kaine was a surprisingly genius move.

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Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Kaine was on the "do not mention because we're embarrassed of the 90s" list when The Other was written.

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