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can we make this the American education is a nightmare thread because whoo boy is it a nightmare system
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Taintrunner posted:can we make this the American education is a nightmare thread because whoo boy is it a nightmare system I was waffling between putting American education into the thread title or just making it a judges are bad thread.
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Taintrunner posted:can we make this the American education is a nightmare thread because whoo boy is it a nightmare system Might as well make an America is a nightmare thread, the country certainly seems to be trying to cover all the bases.
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With the power they have and the long terms they serve it's always surprised me that assassinating your Supreme Court Justices never really caught on. Obviously I'm not arguing you should do that, just think it's surprising and shows limited vision that more Presidents have been killed in office.
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Jul 4, 2018 10:53
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after trump is gone, round up every supreme court justice except sotomayor and ginsburg (if she's alive) "originalism" is a loving lie, it's nothing more than a nice-sounding term for codifying the republican party into jurisprudence
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Jul 4, 2018 21:27
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forkboy84 posted:With the power they have and the long terms they serve it's always surprised me that assassinating your Supreme Court Justices never really caught on. americans are cowardly cucks, all this talk of American politics being angrier than others is just bluster
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forkboy84 posted:With the power they have and the long terms they serve it's always surprised me that assassinating your Supreme Court Justices never really caught on. the only thing FDR did wrong with his court-packing scheme was backing off from it imo
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quote:The lawsuit even mentions one eighth grade student who "taught" a seventh and eighth grade math class for a month because no teacher could be found.
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get that OUT of my face posted:this is very, very tempting, but also, there are no constitutional limits to the number of supreme court justices on the bench, so there's no good reason why the next president shouldn't just pack the court. also the radical right-wing politicization of the judiciary has only happened very recently, and the effective far-right legislation from the bench has been even more recent The Supreme Court has always been politicized and was very right wing and reactionary up until the Warren Court. Why do you think FDR was threatening to pack the court in the first place?
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Jul 5, 2018 04:10
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get that OUT of my face posted:the only thing FDR did wrong with his court-packing scheme was backing off from it imo fdr's problem was that prominent Congressional Dems opposed his court-packing effort, held it up in committees, and whipped against it
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Jul 5, 2018 04:24
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Terror Sweat posted:americans are cowardly cucks, all this talk of American politics being angrier than others is just bluster
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Main Paineframe posted:fdr's problem was that prominent Congressional Dems opposed his court-packing effort, held it up in committees, and whipped against it We have been poisoned by  since the founding of this nation.
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Helsing posted:The Supreme Court has always been politicized and was very right wing and reactionary up until the Warren Court. Why do you think FDR was threatening to pack the court in the first place? it was super right-wing again right up until scalise died and then it became slightly right-wing p. much all the recent social progress has come from the court not being COMPLETE poo poo for like the first time in ages
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WampaLord posted:We have been poisoned by also, a lot of them were conservative Dems who weren't really on board with the New Deal and didn't want the judicial obstacle removed from FDR's path
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Jul 5, 2018 04:46
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get that OUT of my face posted:after trump is gone, round up every supreme court justice except sotomayor and ginsburg (if she's alive) Right wing SCJs just make up legal doctrines out of whole cloth so gently caress it.
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Jul 5, 2018 04:57
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Right wing SCJs just make up legal doctrines out of whole cloth so gently caress it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation_of_Constantine
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remember how the Bong Hitz 4 Jesus guy was found to not be protected by the 1st amendment way back in 2007, but freedom of speech has been expanded to protect heinous poo poo far beyond the scope of its original intent? just another reason why "originalism" is not a legitimate legal doctrinePener Kropoopkin posted:Right wing SCJs just make up legal doctrines out of whole cloth so gently caress it.
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Oklahoma schools are only open four days a week and cannot pay teachers enough to live. But they found enough money to double random drug testing after the state legalized medical marijuana.quote:"It just does seem coincidental that it was with the passage of 788," Towne said. However he did voice concerns he has about medical marijuana, concerns that are felt by parents as well. "My concern is how it’s going to effect students on campus and the availability," Towne said. "We always worry about students having easier access to it."
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The thing about Oklahoma is, everybody smokes weed. There's nothing else to do in most parts of the state except smoke weed, do opiates, and gently caress. That's the only reason the medical marijuana ballot measure passed despite Oklahoma being one of the most backwards CHUD hellholes in the country, and feigning concern about high school students having access to marijuana now is a loving joke.
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oklahoma sounds like my kind of state
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costs of living are extremely low. if you can make the right friends it’s a better state to live in than any southern state with higher rents. just good luck getting healthcare.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The thing about Oklahoma is, everybody smokes weed. There's nothing else to do in most parts of the state except smoke weed, do opiates, and gently caress. Well that and meth
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Dreddout posted:Well that and meth Oh yeah. Even in a rich town like Bartlesville there was a meth lab explosion once every few years.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Oh yeah. Even in a rich town like Bartlesville there was a meth lab explosion once every few years. Tulsa county has the highest concentration of meth labs in the world lmao. I knew we were going to get medical weed when I heard two 40+ white women complaining about not having it at my therapist's office about a month ago. The sad thing is most Oklahomans are deluded enough to assume the new taxes are going to go to the school system.
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my mom was a special needs teacher in Oklahoma before moving to Arkansas. They were implementing scientific management all across the state so they would force young teachers out of the system and never pay anyone a raise or pension. They just kept heaping administrative work on teachers until they had a 12 hour work day.
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scalia opinions were some of the finest absurdist short stories written in the 21st century. a brilliant creative mind lost to the legal system
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Willie Tomg posted:scalia opinions were some of the finest absurdist short stories written in the 21st century. a brilliant creative mind lost to the legal system Society was his parchment
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Willie Tomg posted:scalia opinions were some of the finest absurdist short stories written in the 21st century. a brilliant creative mind lost to the legal system My favorite was him using a dictionary from 1700 to explain what the words Bear and Arms meant in DC v. Heller. Rand alPaul has issued a correction as of 21:23 on Jul 6, 2018 |
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scalia was the most retarded legal mind on SCOTUS, except for everyone else that subscribes to "originalist" "judicial" "philosophy"
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It's cool how in Canada there's an explicit 100 year old legal precedent declaring that originalism is bullshit
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get that OUT of my face posted:scalia was the most retarded legal mind on SCOTUS, except for everyone else that subscribes to "originalist" "judicial" "philosophy" It's a real shame he died before discovering the original intent behind the First Amendment -- tort reform.
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Helsing posted:It's cool how in Canada there's an explicit 100 year old legal precedent declaring that originalism is bullshit That's awesome
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Rand alPaul posted:My favorite was him using a dictionary from 1700 to explain what the words Bear and Arms meant in DC v. Heller. If one believes in originalism, then this makes perfect sense. Dictionaries show definitions of words in order of usage. So using a dictionary from 1700 can give good insight into what people of that era would have thought about the meaning of those words that could be drastically different from today. The problem is that originalism itself is bonkers given that the Constitution has a process to amend it baked in. And in fact, it is an amendment to this Constitution that they happen to fellate. It's all well and good to determine what the founders meant by whatever, but that shouldn't have any bearing on how the courts rule. It only gets used because it is a good veil for what they really want, which isn't a strict adherence to the founder's wishes, but to get back to a society where people could be owned as slaves and women couldn't vote. A person like Scalia would eschew the concept of originalism if the original document banned arms, or allowed women to vote, or if it didn't codify the system of slavery in the US. Thomas gets really off the rails here because he actually opposes amendments themselves as violating originalism; but at least he's consistent (almost)?
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the framers of the constitution were almost to the man reactionaries carrying out a proto-Thermidor, so in that sense I guess Scalia and co. are kinda right
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if it weren't for his SC appointment, thomas would be a profoundly sad figure. even as things stand its at least melancholy
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:my mom was a special needs teacher in Oklahoma before moving to Arkansas. They were implementing scientific management all across the state so they would force young teachers out of the system and never pay anyone a raise or pension. They just kept heaping administrative work on teachers until they had a 12 hour work day. drat dude that sucks, my mom's was also an science teacher but my family was too poor to leave Oklahoma so when she got priced out she became a secretary. 
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Secretaries are still teachers. It's just that the curriculum is to teach me what time my appointment is
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Raldikuk posted:If one believes in originalism, then this makes perfect sense. Dictionaries show definitions of words in order of usage. So using a dictionary from 1700 can give good insight into what people of that era would have thought about the meaning of those words that could be drastically different from today. The problem with him using the dictionary is that he ignored what the founders said about the amendment and instead made a very disingenuous "well you see bear means to hold and possess, and arms means weapons of war so..." even though historians filed an amicus curiae briefing with about 90 pages of quotes about standing armies and militia musters. You're correct, he ignores literally anything that contradicts his 'originalist' view. He's like a climate denier that cherry picks research.
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Rand alPaul posted:Oklahoma schools are only open four days a week and cannot pay teachers enough to live. But they found enough money to double random drug testing after the state legalized medical marijuana.
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