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It's been like a decade since I played forums mafia on the WotC boards, but if a total novice is okay I'd like to join.
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Jul 20, 2018 20:32
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As far as the rules go I got a minor question on the day 1 thingquote:*Day One will be greatly abbreviated (12 hours long). Votes will be accepted on day 1, but no lynching will take place during the first day. Day one exists to generate content and get joke phase out of everyone's system. So you can vote for people day 1 but it won't do anything? Will the votes in some way matter for game mechanics or is it just there so the posters have a more clear record of who is suspicious of who? Also doesn't this effectively enforce a no-lynch day 1, which iirc is generally considered a bad start for town side?
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Jul 20, 2018 22:44
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Mr. Humalong posted:Every day is jokephase when you’re the best role A game with 14 jesters and one SK
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Jul 20, 2018 23:41
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SolusLunes posted:Do murdery night actions happen night one? Would seem so with the exception of town killing classes.
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Jul 22, 2018 03:06
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So what's our strat here, vetbait to kill doctor and lookout night 1? Always a strong opener in the browser game.
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Jul 22, 2018 16:40
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I am blackmailed
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Jul 22, 2018 21:15
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Feel like you gotta have at least one sk or something to make that any fun. Maybe an arsonist for an extra spicy game.
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Jul 22, 2018 21:23
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I'm more of a slap it with a hot towel guy myself.
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Jul 23, 2018 00:42
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Beetphyxious posted:we're talking about food here oh no, I've scumslipped
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Jul 23, 2018 01:01
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And when the road feels too long I'll still be holding on I'm gonna keep on going, I know I'll be strong Indestructible I won't let nobody break me down Indestructible Nothings gonna stop me now
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Jul 24, 2018 03:57
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b-minus1 posted:Thanks arbC!!! No prob fam. Though with only witch and mafia caught N1 you could still hypothetically be 3p evil, as Sarah said in her will. Still not a bad start for town.
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Jul 24, 2018 04:09
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The strongest lead we have is obviously the steak criminal.
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Jul 24, 2018 04:51
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I played a couple ToS browser games and watched some vids of people playing after signing up for this thread, the mechanic of vote up then have possibility for backing out mostly seems designed around the idea of forcing out roleclaims cause town basically autoloses if people aren't forthcoming with info. The balance of having fixed roles with limited random roles gives some room to false claims but also opportunities to catch scum. Not saying we should all day 2 roleclaim but in general less info does favor scum. You wanna put suspicious people up, evaluate their roleclaim, then use the guilty/inno/abstain votes as significantly useful information for the next vote. We get up to 3 trials a day so we can get a lot of info if we don't play passively.
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Jul 24, 2018 05:17
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Mr. Humalong posted:I legit forgot we're doing the trial system. ##vote b- I can agree with this, feels kinda dumb to pretend the bg action absolved him even when it was directly stated in the will it didn't. Only potential issue is that the odds of maf targeting a 3p (especially when we all now know the 3p neutral is dead) is incredibly low. Feel like we'd prolly be better off putting someone else who comes across badly up, but I wouldn't be against forcing a roleclaim either.
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Jul 24, 2018 05:26
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B-minus could still be a 3p killing role but if I had a preference I'd rather bring lurkers to the stand. There are a couple who haven't posted at all which might just be their schedule but Sal was here when the night opened but never really tried to contribute anything. ##Vote [b]SalTheBard
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Jul 24, 2018 05:41
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Hal Incandenza posted:I assume bodyguard could also have been the target too didn't have to be b-minus Bodyguard can only protect themselves by targeting themselves, they can also only do that once. If a bg protects someone and gets nighthit, they die without doing anything as far as I know town of salem rules.
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Jul 24, 2018 05:49
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Mr. Humalong posted:Arb is trying to say the odds of Mafia picking the SK or neut evil n1 is 2-in-11 or 18.182%. Compared to them picking town which is 9-in-11 or 81.818%. So the odds are in favor of b- not being the SK, but it's still quite possible b- is the SK. Yeah exactly this, I just feel like if we're gonna try and force a defense it'd be better off with someone other than b-, voting now isn't even close to a guaranteed lynch but imo it's better to get the ball rolling and see how people handle it and I'd rather target someone who has more neutral odds, b- is at least confirmed to not be mafia so it's more likely than a completely random vote to end up outing an important town role even if it's not guaranteed they're innocent. My vote isn't completely random either, that Sal was here but didn't really wanna engage at all does come across a bit badly imo.
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Jul 24, 2018 05:59
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To clarify the odds right now with 1 town, 1 maf, and 1 neutral dead, b- a confirmed target of maf n1 b- has a 1/12 chance of being the neutral killer everyone else has a 4/12 chance of being either mafia or killer If we gonna force a roleclaim with votes (and I think we should, it's way better for town to use the 3 trials than not to), it's better to go with literally anyone other than b- unless you have some really strong read on him. Odds of us outing an important town role over a fakeclaim are much higher with b- than anyone else. I already posted my reasons for voting Sal specifically but I think staying on B- is a bad choice regardless of who people wanna switch to. Either way it's better for us to pick someone and force something to happen than just waiting around.
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Jul 24, 2018 06:16
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Beetphyxious posted:is this is? is this what we're looking at? I won't be up too much longer but to clarify 1. voting to force roleclaims is in general good for the town in this format, there's still a large window to not lynch them during the trial if you find their claim plausible. There's a reason you're given up to 3 trials. Even in worst case scenario the faster you identify the 3 random town roles the faster there's no space left to claim for scum. 2. b- is prolly the worst target for town if we're just looking for info, while he's not off the hook entirely (and no one should forget that) it's still more likely to out a legit town role claim than anyone else. 3. Sal was here when the thread reopened, posted without really saying anything, and ducked out. Other lurkers would be good to bring up too but imo this just a bad look. Just vote him up, force a claim, then see how the guilty/inno/abstain votes fall. It's better to do this now when we have a chance to see how things play out without a guaranteed lynch than to wait until last minute to act.
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Jul 24, 2018 07:12
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b-minus1 posted:Mord this is why replacing Kashuno with ArbC was a bad idea lol It's actually doesn't change anything, I got Kash's role + activities, I can confirm it's true he visited b- on #1 so that makes Kash a confirmed lookout. So if we still have a chance it's ##unvote if it already went to trial phase we can just innocent and try again.
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Jul 24, 2018 15:47
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I am just continuing where he left off, I'm not a new different player. I took over the persona he got in the original PM. And Sal every townie has a role so while making you confirmed does make you a target it's not really the end of the world. We have 3 as of yet unknown random roles, if i'm reading the OP right there's no duplicates allowed but that still leaves room for the chance at a transporter or doc so as confirmed town you are by no means a guaranteed target.
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Jul 24, 2018 15:52
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IcePhoenix posted:So you're counterclaiming sal? I gotta go but no, reread my post. I'm confirming he is town lookout. There are a bunch of roles that could potentially have also visited b- N1 (both town and scum). Kash (now me) is one of them.
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Jul 24, 2018 15:54
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I stated it before I left but people were apparently really confused over the obvious typo despite the context it was in. Sal is confirmed lookout, vote innocent. There was no other way he could have known that there was a third visitor or who it was, I can confirm that ArbitraryKash did in fact also visit b- night 1, as dumb as it is that so many people got involved. This doesn't confirm me as town though. Mr. Humalong posted:For reference, Kash/Arb could be any of the following:
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Jul 24, 2018 20:58
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and fwiw I don't think it's bad to have a confirmed town lookout at this point even if Sal threw a tantrum over it, yeah we have a BG down but there's still 3 random roles that could either be protection or something that would expose whoever did the hit, plus one other hidden town investigator.
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Jul 24, 2018 21:06
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Because lookout is the only role that would have seen kash (now me) visit b-. He saw that b- was visited by a maf, oldme, and kash, the first two popped up in the flip so it's irrelevant, but the third is information that only he and I would know.
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Jul 24, 2018 21:16
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I guess there is a longshot that like Sal is the godfather and I am janitor so as fellow scum he would know I too visited b-minus and my ability just didn't go off because the mafioso got killed by the bodyguard. But I'm also the one who started the push on Sal so take that as you will.
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Jul 24, 2018 21:24
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Mr. Humalong posted:Again there is literally no possibility that Arb subbing back in gives them insight or an advantage over any other player. All of you endlessly harping on it is bizarre. Yeah I was actually hesitant when mord brought it up to me on discord but even after trying to think for a bit on possible ways it could be used by me or other players to metagame I came up empty. Mord couldn't bring in the scum that died because they obviously knew the scumlist, but I had no special knowledge beyond what everyone saw in the night flip. It literally changes nothing about the game and it seems weird people are so confused over trying to explain N1 kash's actions. He did or tried to do something to b-minus night 1, I know what it was and what the results were (just like he would if he didn't get subbed out) it's in my record now and if I die you'll just see the will from the perspective of the character, in the same format as the will from the BG I was playing.
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Jul 24, 2018 21:46
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There were no day 1 whispers so even if I came back as scum or arsonist I wouldn't have any info they didn't already have. Day 1 also didn't really have any discussion at all so you can read me all you want from the posts I made today.
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Jul 24, 2018 21:54
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Make sure to inno Sal tho, or at least lynch me first. The only way it's possible for Sal to still be scum at this point is if we're both maf. In any situation other than that, the only way he would have known I visited him in addition to the BG is if his lookout claim is honest.
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Jul 24, 2018 22:07
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Make sure to inno Sal tho, or at least lynch me first. The only way it's possible for Sal to still be scum at this point is if we're both maf. In any situation other than that, the only way he would have known I visited him in addition to the BG is if his lookout claim is honest. Maf edit: by "him" there I mean b-
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Jul 24, 2018 22:08
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b-minus1 posted:Why do you want to be lynched? I don't want to be, keep in mind jester is confirmed out of this game. There's only one neutral evil and the witch died night one (this also means there's no executioner). I'm just saying it'd be a dumb move for town to lynch Sal. He's basically confirmed lookout and the only possible way it's not true is if I'm scum and we're working together. So if you really truly still wanna go after Sal it's better for town if I got chopped first. If I did get lynched and flipped town it would confirm his role and town could make moves to either stop him from dying or at least know who done it to trade. Considering I know my own role, I know Sal is confirmed lookout so I'm posting strongly in his defense.
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Jul 24, 2018 22:23
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:That's the same for framer then Nah you wanna framer the target you're killing, that's the whole point of the role. If I were maf the two realistic options would be framer or janitor, both of which would have targeted the night kill but wouldn't have done anything since the BG stopped the death.
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Jul 24, 2018 22:27
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:That would be silly though, you're banking on the player to investigate, but death would prove otherwise. Oh my bad I was thinking of forger.
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Jul 24, 2018 23:10
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Atomic Soda posted:nvm i see the vote is in op now It's because everyone has a role and there are limited slots. The sooner you figure out what the 3 random towns are the sooner scum have their backs up basically against the wall. I only played the online version a handful of times admittedly, but scum won every game where people weren't pretty proactive with sharing roles and info. Not saying a mass roleclaim is really the best route per se, but the trial format allows you to force people who pinged you into doing something on your time rather than at their leisure without the hammer being a guaranteed lynch. Like it's not even bad for the town that Sal is out, if he get's rb'ed we know one of the maf roles (and they're not using it on a potential jailor or such), if he gets targeted for a night kill we still have plenty of potential for protection or investigation that would make it a trade, if they leave him be because targeting is too risky then he gives us free info every day. We have a basically confirmed investigative role and enough hidden stuff that outright attacking him is dangerous for scum. It's not a bad spot at all, particularly with the neutral evil and a mafioso biting it night 1.
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Jul 25, 2018 00:02
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Keep in mind It's still the guilty/inno/abstain phase. Votes after he got put up for trial can matter in terms of what you think players are thinking but I don't believe they roll over or matter mechanically.
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Jul 25, 2018 00:11
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The three did not vote's could be afk's or just those who didn't understand the concept but it's worth pointing out:chaoslord posted:Really? I like Sal a heck of a lot, but he does the “woe is me” thing any time his back is against the wall.
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Jul 25, 2018 01:12
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how much time is left before day end? Do we have the chance for another trial after or is it gonna be this one and done?
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Jul 25, 2018 01:32
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IcePhoenix posted:I went to a movie sorry show us the ticket stubs obama!
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Jul 25, 2018 01:34
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Just assume I took the time to put a bunch of red squiggles on it obviously proving it's a forgery
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Jul 25, 2018 01:43
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I'm pretty okay with Merk, Hal, or Chaos just based on the vote but again it really could just be afk/not understanding precisely how the trial system worked round 1. If someone has any strong suspicions of anyone based on the vote that put Sal up in first place I'd agree with that too.
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Jul 25, 2018 01:48
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