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Beetphyxious
Sep 13, 2002

dear Lowtax, i hope you appreciate this donation to the Kyanka college fund. PS TUNNEL SNAKES RULE.

Anidav posted:

Nah I'm town. Investigate me tonight if there are cop cards.

wtf? why?

you've already said your vanilla town, why would you want town to waste a night investigation to prove you're vanilla town. this is a terrible suggestion.

actually you said you town grandfather which is kinda of funny considering

b-minus1 posted:

i shouldn't even have to mention this, but obviously if you're godfather you would love it if the cop wasted an investigation on you.



not a fan of this tbh. was willing to give you the 'anidav' pass but this request of an investigation.

i'll keep catching up and see how i feel at the end.

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Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

So long, Ex-Ma Fergie!


Hi guys. I'll be heading to sleep soon.

If you have any pressing questions about the card mechanics at night that you need to ask me, please do so in the next half hour or so and I'll try to field as much as I can before bed.

Good luck!

Bifauxnen
Aug 11, 2010

YOLO FRONTLINE


ok I will be on lunch for deadline in case I gotta move my vote, but I won't be around to try and herd all you cats in the meantime. So I'll just leave this here

Top Scumbo Suspects:

#1 - Yami - even before I made the recent case on him, I was feeling vaguely suspicious. He was posting a whole lot, but didn't seem to be sticking his neck out much, he felt very firmly in safe territory all the time. It didn't seem worth voting him yet, there was nothing overtly scummy, but I definitely wanted to observe him as someone who might be worth catching off-guard later, just when he thought he was getting cozy in the "deep scum" position.

But then Dancer showed up all suspicious of him too, which I found impressive. And the wagons seemed to circle around Dancer real fast. I didn't like it. Since then Yami has also suddenly become defensive. Maybe it's only his RL stresses affecting him too much, but I don't fully buy yet that his shifting explanations actually add up to a genuine townie mindset.

#2 and #3 - AA and Nep-Nep in no particular order. Can't decide which one I actually think is scummier, they're about the same. I can see Nep-Nep's explanation possibly being true, but it might just be a walkback once he saw he overreached. AA's been participating a lot, but it often feels a bit slimy... I know I got to try and compensate though for how I always find him scummy every game.

#4 and #5 Lurker options: Lord of Hats and Asiina. Hats has showed up a little and seems to be putting in just enough effort to try and look like he's showed his face enough to not be considered a total lurker. Asiina hasn't even done that recently. I know she sometimes lurks a lot as town too, maybe she'll turn it around later, but just wanna get this out on the record so y'all can keep an eye on it.

#6 and #7 - people I don't wanna aim for as my main lunch picks today, but I'd be totally on board with voting em - KK and Anidav. Don't wanna go on about them any more so to make it quick, KK explained himself better eventually in a way that I could see being genuine, a sharp contrast to Yami. But maybe he was just pushing Anidav for an easy lunch and just did a better job walking it back. He sure hasn't done much else since then. Anidav is self-explanatory.

Nep-Nep
May 15, 2004

NEPSIMAAAAAAAAAAN!!!


I don't see why I'd waste my time doing a tactical walkback when there wasn't any heat on me other than your counter case. I thought about it for a bit more and overall I think AA is a good choice. While I liked his defense against my initial vote reason, that was about all I was satisfied with.

In general I don't really like the push on Anidav partly because both AA and Monathin have highlighted that it is a very rational thing, but if Anidav is really VT and told the truth then we get some setup information that I don't personally think is all that valuable. The other problem I have with the push on Anidav is that since the information isn't valuable, lynching for information is a reasonable choice but then that also opens the door for anyone who voted for Anidav to point to that and I'm already picturing a day 2 full of circular slapfights that go nowhere as a result.

##vote AA

Beetphyxious
Sep 13, 2002

dear Lowtax, i hope you appreciate this donation to the Kyanka college fund. PS TUNNEL SNAKES RULE.

Anomalous Amalgam posted:

Then like I said, he undermines himself by relying on his own meta to explain that he lies often to win. I don't like it, don't want to waste an investigation on him he could easily be a scum godfather trying to intentionally get copped.

I'd rather dunk him. If he's vanilla like he says, then he's informed us of a potential imbalanced mechanic and town loses no real utility, also we can evaluate the push, who voted, who didn't vote. Most info IMO.

There's no real use to keeping him around, and he's already offered the most that his character could mechanically.

Agreedo

Beetphyxious
Sep 13, 2002

dear Lowtax, i hope you appreciate this donation to the Kyanka college fund. PS TUNNEL SNAKES RULE.

King Burgundy posted:

The lurker problem is self resolving. I'm all about killing lurkers, but tomorrow the highest posters will get guns to kill them and then we can have a discussion about that/etc.

what? I get a gun? awesome!

Monathin
Sep 1, 2011

Is this...bird costume...really necessary?



Nep-Nep posted:

In general I don't really like the push on Anidav partly because both AA and Monathin have highlighted that it is a very rational thing, but if Anidav is really VT and told the truth then we get some setup information that I don't personally think is all that valuable. The other problem I have with the push on Anidav is that since the information isn't valuable, lynching for information is a reasonable choice but then that also opens the door for anyone who voted for Anidav to point to that and I'm already picturing a day 2 full of circular slapfights that go nowhere as a result.

##vote AA

So... wait. You don't like the Anidav vote, despite the fact that it's a reasonable vote, but the information isn't valuable enough despitethe vote? Am I reading you right, Nep?

I mean I think it'd be reasonable to look back on people's posting around Anidav regardless of how he flips. If he's scum, great, we got scum, if he's not scum, we can look at some of the people who have been pushing him more lazily and see where they fall.

Beetphyxious
Sep 13, 2002

dear Lowtax, i hope you appreciate this donation to the Kyanka college fund. PS TUNNEL SNAKES RULE.

Nep-Nep posted:

Actually Humalong has the right of it. My case on Bif was manufactured to a degree. I came into the thread, got caught up, saw there was a lot of two-way between Anidav and KK and I wanted to poke Bif to see:

1. How she reacted
2. How others reacted.

Now, I'm not saying I didn't believe in my case. It wasn't a complete fabrication, but I stressed some points a little harder, particularly the part where I voted.

I don't think anybody has strongly agreed or disagreed with my case or her counter case, but I'm bothered by AA's reaction to it. "Having a look at this I like this case, but actually I think they're both town, now how about we vote for someone else?" is a stance I've taken before as town.

I think AA is a good vote today.

##vote AA

uhh okay. i've done this myself in the past, but..... ugh.

Beetphyxious
Sep 13, 2002

dear Lowtax, i hope you appreciate this donation to the Kyanka college fund. PS TUNNEL SNAKES RULE.

Nep-Nep posted:

Oh my god as scum. I was scum in that game. Jeez what is wrong with me lol.

hahahahahhahahahahahaha

Beetphyxious
Sep 13, 2002

dear Lowtax, i hope you appreciate this donation to the Kyanka college fund. PS TUNNEL SNAKES RULE.

The Lord of Hats posted:

Why would you even go back and say this. If someone else brought it up, sure, but why are you going out of your way to declare "hey guys, this is what my meta is".

well my current theory is he's trying to get the auspollers to help build a narrative.

Beetphyxious
Sep 13, 2002

dear Lowtax, i hope you appreciate this donation to the Kyanka college fund. PS TUNNEL SNAKES RULE.

bet lie being one based on half truth and all that

Beetphyxious
Sep 13, 2002

dear Lowtax, i hope you appreciate this donation to the Kyanka college fund. PS TUNNEL SNAKES RULE.

like gently caress, i went to bed not feeling super suss on anidav and i wake up and he wants town to cop him, the claimed vanilla town, to prove he's town.

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Nep-Nep
May 15, 2004

NEPSIMAAAAAAAAAAN!!!


Monathin posted:

So... wait. You don't like the Anidav vote, despite the fact that it's a reasonable vote, but the information isn't valuable enough despitethe vote? Am I reading you right, Nep?

I mean I think it'd be reasonable to look back on people's posting around Anidav regardless of how he flips. If he's scum, great, we got scum, if he's not scum, we can look at some of the people who have been pushing him more lazily and see where they fall.

Sorry, I could have but that better. I think it's reasonable looking at it objectively but it is my personal opinion that other players can be flipped for information of equal or greater value, and I'm feeling the AA vote.

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